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[Father_Brain]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/7/14/193750/666

 

[SolidSnakex]

Can't wait to hear Rush Limbaugh's comment on how this isn't as bad as it sounds.

 

[bionic77]

Can't wait to hear Rush Limbaugh's comment on how this isn't as bad as it sounds.

Rush: "Look, this isn't really torture. This is just like a Frat Boy prank, you know the one they do these days where they tie you up and sodimize you. This is just liberal propoganda by people who hate America and our soldiers."

There you go, you didn't even have to wait.

 

[Chopin Trusty Balls]

"Its us or them,would you like our soldiers to be sodomized by those boys?"

 

[bionic77]

"Its us or them,would you like our soldiers to be sodomized by those boys?"

LOL, perfect conservative logic.

 

[gofreak]

Shouldn't we expect this to hit the big news agencies if there is an actual video, as appears to be in that article? I daren't check the video link myself

 

[open_mouth_]

sick bastards. This had nothing to do with "interrogation" but more about torturing the perceived enemy.

 

[bionic77]

sick bastards. This had nothing to do with "interrogation" but more about torturing the perceived enemy.

Torture never gets you reliable information, it is only done to please the captors. Which is why I don't get why the current Admin seems to condone and maybe even support it.

 

[RedDwarf]

I daren't check the video link myself

It's just an ACLU video with lots of speeches. Interesting watch.

 

[The Promised One]

Um...yeah.

The vid is just an ACLU speech. Whoop-de-do.

If this is true, it's terrible, and the people responsible need to be punished. Even if it's Bush (who I happen to currently support)

 

[Ninja Scooter]

whats with the fancy wording. Lets just call it what it is: Buttplay.

 

[darscot]

The beauty of censorship! If you don't let anyone see it then it didnt really happen. Or at least no one cares if it did.

 

[Che]

Hey Ripclawe that's some news you forgot to report. This thing is disgusting, trully disgusting.

 

[Yossarian]

Hey Ripclawe that's some news you forgot to report. This thing is disgusting, trully disgusting.

but the question is "is it true?"

 

[Father_Brain]

Apparently, parts of the Taguba report confirm this.

http://www.boingboing.net/2004/07/20/evidence_for_hershs_.html

Evidence for Hersh's claims of child sexual abuse at Abu Ghraib?
Following up on this BoingBoing post about allegations by journalist Seymour Hersh of rape and sexual abuse of minors at Abu Ghraib prison Iraq -- there appears to be evidence for those claims in supporting statements that accompany the Taguba Report.

What most of us have seen of the report are excerpts from the 50-page summary. In fact, there are well over 6,000 pages in the report itself, including statements by and interviews with witnesses. Among them, testimony from an Iraqi prisoner that would appear to substantiate Seymour Hersh's claims that boys were sodomized at Abu Ghraib. Maj. Gen. Taguba evidently found these statements credible -- they supported statements from interviews with soldiers and other witnesses.

At the end of this post are links to digital copies of two documents from the Taguba report, hosted on the Washington Post website. Is it possible that they document the exact incidents to which Hersh referred? Excerpt from statement provided by Kasim Mehaddi Hilas, Detainee #151108, on January 18 2004:
I saw [name deleted] fucking a kid, his age would be about 15 - 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard the screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn't covered and I saw [name deleted] who was wearing the military uniform putting his dick in the little kid's ass. I couldn't see the face of the kid because his face wasn't in front of the door. And the female soldier was taking pictures. [name deleted], I think he is [deleted] because of his accent, and he was not skinny or short, and he acted like a homosexual (gay). And that was in cell #23 as best as I remember.
Another testimony alleging abuse of minors from a statement provided by Thaar Salman Dawod, Detainee #150427, on January 17, 2004:
I saw lots of people getting naked for a few days getting punished in the first days of Ramadan. They came with two boys naked and they were cuffed together face to face and Grainer was beating them and a group of guards were watching and taking pictures from top and bottom and there was three female soldiers laughing at the prisoners. The prisoners, two of them, were young. I don't know their names.
Here's a update (sub required) on Capitol Hill plans for hearings on new (and as-yet unreleased) material documenting torture at Abu Ghraib. And there's this snip from a CBS interview with "leash girl" Pfc. Lynndie England, the guard seen grinning and pointing at Iraqi prisoners in the infamous photos:
When England was asked if there were other things that happened at Abu Ghraib, things that were not photographed, she said, "Yes." When asked if there were worse things that happened, she said "Yes," but would not elaborate.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Thank God it was a humanitarian mission. Otherwise, we might have been sodomizing lifeless objects. Rolleyes...come on rolleyes. PEACE.

 

[effzee]

in before ripclawe!

 

[ShadowRed]

There was also talk that a 14 year old girl was raped infrot of a bunch of Iraqi prisoners who afterwards asked the Iraqi men to kill her. She later commited suicde.

 

[GIR]

I don't know why everyone is complaining about this incident, it's just pre-emptive punishment as those boys will obviously become "terrorists" one day.

 

[Brannon]

...

Goddamn it

Basic law of war or conflict is to be nicer to your enemies than they are to you so they know they can have a chance at a normal life again if they decide to give up. They don't fight as hard or resist as much because they know they will get fair treatment if they do lose.

Common sense that everybody knows, but still with the torture, and now sodomy? FUCK.

 

[Socreges]

Can someone tell me where John Kerry stands on the International Criminal Court?

 

[fart]

imo the political situation in the US is such that the soldiers that allegedly did this will never go on public trial, ever.

 

[Triumph]

"The terrorists hate our freedom. We in turn hate their children's right to live without being subjected to prison rape. It's a trade off."