Draugoth
Gold Member
As Neowin reports, an INI configuration file in the Windows Canary channel, discovered by German website Deskmodder, includes references to a "Subscription Edition," "Subscription Type," and a "subscription status."
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As Neowin reports, an INI configuration file in the Windows Canary channel, discovered by German website Deskmodder, includes references to a "Subscription Edition," "Subscription Type," and a "subscription status."
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Report: Windows 13 may require blowjobs on installation.
Draugoth
Gold Member
Cyberpunk 2077
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
For those of you lucky enough to work at a company that offers full feature copies for dirt cheap (HUP home use program), do it. Ask your IT dept if t]your company gets access I dont know if they still do but I got a copy of MS Office 2019 Professional for less than $20. And I did it before for an older version of Office for like $15 ten years ago. Googling it, it seems sites offer downloads straight up for the same heavy discount. But I dont know how legit those sites are though.
As for paying for an OS sub plan, forget it. Just milk W11 with free updates. At some point they'll kill off W11 ten years from now, but cross the bridge then what to do.
As for paying for an OS sub plan, forget it. Just milk W11 with free updates. At some point they'll kill off W11 ten years from now, but cross the bridge then what to do.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
No surprise there. Software is a sub plan long term game as soon as the cmpany realizes the incremental improvements arent worth the average person upgrading for full price. Adobe went sub plan years ago at around $20/mth. I dont follow the arts and creative industry, but you'd think people would be up in arms. Turns out Adobe is at record high sales and profits and pretty close to record stock price. Sub planning Photoshop worked.
Puscifer
Member
It got a lot of people who would normally pirate, even businesses, on board with something reasonable so it made sense especially considering that it's actually cheaper long term in some ways than buying full licenses for each version.
An entire operating system, though, is complete bullshit. As much I hate Linux for a lot of things I do I think it's time people should seriously start looking at alternatives if this comes to fruition IF THE ALTERNATIVES WORK FOR YOU (Lord knows mentioning Linux might work for some people starts a fight) because I'm not shelling out a subscription for what amounts to a bootloader for steam.
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TransTrender
Gold Member
They ain't even done with Windows 11
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
They raised MS 365 prices this year and that already pissed people off. They’ll stop supporting Windows 10 in 2025, forcing people to go to Windows 11. What a mess if they do. I could imagine people combining their Office, Windows, and mail into one license.
At some point, you could just find another OS for your business.
At some point, you could just find another OS for your business.
NeverYouMind
Member
I installed Windows 11 on a computer and it took nearly a week to remove the walled garden safe mode they have by default that prevents installation of programs outside of its store. I hope Windows 10 is supported by software developers for at least the next 2 decades, because I sure as hell do not want to downgrade to the new Windows versions they are putting out.
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Dream-Knife
Banned
Arch as my only install will be in the future I guess.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
I will own whatever platform doesn't pull this shit. If it has to be Mac or Linux, so be it. More likely the latter for gaming, but whatever. If MS tries to kill PC gaming with this I'll just do something else. I fully reject not owning the platforms I buy.
bitbydeath
Member
When a trillion dollars isn’t enough.
Wildebeest
Member
Time to start hopping between Linux desktop distributions that are good for a year or two before the graduate student maintaining it gets bored or gets a job.
Goalus
Member
Strange that on Android devices the complaint is always that there are not enough updates to the latest OS version. On PC the complaint seems to be that there are too many updates to the latest OS version because the older the OS, the better it is.
winjer
Gold Member
That is just non-sense that ignores what is really going on.
The issue with Android is that most brands just release updates for one of two years, leaving many users without even the most basic security updates.
The issue with Windows is that most of it's updates are to add bloatware and spyware.
Windows 10 and 11, by default have way too much crap pre-installed. And a decent amount of it, can only be removed with advanced PowerShell commands.
And then there are things that if removed break the OS.
But the worst part is MS using users as beta testers. Too many updates are released into the Release Channel, riddled with bugs.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Microsoft has always had a chip in the shoulder in regards to how they monetize windows.
They saw valve taking a chunk off each game sold, they saw ios and android taking a chunk off every transaction... and they regret they never monetized windows.
It's not the first time they move to aggresively monetize windows, and so far they've relented but at some point they'll succumb to temptation.
They saw valve taking a chunk off each game sold, they saw ios and android taking a chunk off every transaction... and they regret they never monetized windows.
It's not the first time they move to aggresively monetize windows, and so far they've relented but at some point they'll succumb to temptation.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I see it from another angle, Adobe is not able to justify the value of a new version of photoshop and they want a sure and recurring revenue stream while their R&D was more and more streamlined and delivering only small incremental improvement making their previous business model problematic.
Not everyone updated their software every time a new major version arrived (which was also less frequent)… now, if you do stop paying for a month you lose everything. This is bad also for non professionals who want to learn or those that want to keep their costs controlled, but before we realise deaths by thousand subscriptions is a problem it will be difficult to react.
Goalus
Member
iOS and Android as well have a lot of bloatware preinstalled that can't be removed. I don't want to use Safari, Chrome, the App Store etc. For some reason that doesn't seem to be a problem.
Jinzo Prime
Member
Valve is just ahead of the curve, they saw MS's bullshit from a mile away. I pray for good Linux and BSD alternatives.
winjer
Gold Member
Non-sense again. Of course that is a problem.
But at least on Android, with most phones, all those apps can be removed with ADB.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
is it going to be on gamepass?
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ReBurn
Gold Member
Hopefully when the hot takes and virtue signaling are over we can talk about scenarios where subscriptions could make sense and where they wouldn't. Nothing about this suggests a subscription-only model to me, but I guess no actual info means that the worst case must be true.
Windows is not free and because of how it is licensed it doesn't provide much flexibility for short term or temporary use cases. There have been plenty of times where I just needed a Windows box short term but I had to pay for the full license. The only good short term option right now seems to be cloud servers, but for some applications you don't want to risk your data by funneling through some cloud provider. Virtualizing it on my own hardware still requires tricky licensing. I'd love a simple monthly subscription for when I just need a couple more nodes that I can turn off later.
Windows is not free and because of how it is licensed it doesn't provide much flexibility for short term or temporary use cases. There have been plenty of times where I just needed a Windows box short term but I had to pay for the full license. The only good short term option right now seems to be cloud servers, but for some applications you don't want to risk your data by funneling through some cloud provider. Virtualizing it on my own hardware still requires tricky licensing. I'd love a simple monthly subscription for when I just need a couple more nodes that I can turn off later.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
Fuck them. Linux exists. The worst thing to happen in awhile was when Microsoft bought Github...
Drizzlehell
Banned
Adobe products aren't essential to regular users and only people who actually make a living by using this software are the target audience. It works for them because they have established themselves among consumers who can afford it and make it so that these recurring fees are paying for themselves. Windows is an essential piece of software for every PC user, both professional and casual, so you can definitely expect a huge backlash if Microsoft goes through with this plan and puts a subscription fee on it. No one will want to pay a recurring fee just to be able to use their 4000 dollar computer, that sounds fucking absurd.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
They'll ask for a taste, and they'll get it.
winjer
Gold Member
OEMs like Dell don't really care about the OS.
They just care about selling a machine. And they pack it with as much trial software as they can, to get sponsored deals from other companies.
This is why some of these OEM PCs sometimes come with 2 or 3 anti-virus solutions pre-installed. And a ton of crap.
They just care about selling a machine. And they pack it with as much trial software as they can, to get sponsored deals from other companies.
This is why some of these OEM PCs sometimes come with 2 or 3 anti-virus solutions pre-installed. And a ton of crap.
why charge once when you can charge every month.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
If Android and ios don't do this then I see no reason why this would apply in desktop.
This would trigger a major shift of people shifting out of windows or looking into alternatives solutions in things like Linux.
This would trigger a major shift of people shifting out of windows or looking into alternatives solutions in things like Linux.
winjer
Gold Member
Ubuntu got a lot worse in recent years. You might want to try another distro.
Here is a long guide:
pauljeremiah
Gold Member
I really hope they do this.
Krappadizzle
Member
Whelp...I'll be on Win11 for a while if that's the case.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
And should seriously consider a Linux distro which plays games the best like the Steam Deck OS.
This feels of control and unnecessary tension will persist.
Microsoft's vision of this sucks and they'll buy their way to things like success on consoles but that will not fly with PC.
Sorry but until there's some solid detail, I will stay on 11 and definitely investigate alternatives.
That's the beauty of choice. Not forcing to pay for a service like the basic necessity of operating systems.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
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