mattwhite924
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Holy crap, it's insane that you have to go to those kinds of lengths to get recordings of a 480p game from 2003 to look decent.
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Retro AV Club Thread 2: Classic Gaming Done Right!
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Holy crap, it's insane that you have to go to those kinds of lengths to get recordings of a 480p game from 2003 to look decent.
Just upload in 4k at a high bitrate(20000 kbps) and there you go, it's what i do and works perfectly.
Thankfully when I do retro game footage they look a lot better than youtube vids from pre 2014(and even many today).
bodine1231
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Welp,the old girl finally kicked the bucket. Was playing some Saturn,went to the bathroom and came back and she's not getting power anymore. I'm legit depressed right now,I thought this day wouldnt come for while but its been a great ride. I've been emulating alot anyways but it was always nice knowing I could play the real thing if I needed to. May check Craigslist for a regular CRT on the cheap to hold me over. I bought this PVM 10 years ago for $50 from an FX studio,wont find a deal like that again.
sixteen-bit
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Welp,the old girl finally kicked the bucket. Was playing some Saturn,went to the bathroom and came back and she's not getting power anymore. I'm legit depressed right now,I thought this day wouldnt come for while but its been a great ride. I've been emulating alot anyways but it was always nice knowing I could play the real thing if I needed to. May check Craigslist for a regular CRT on the cheap to hold me over. I bought this PVM 10 years ago for $50 from an FX studio,wont find a deal like that again.
Damn, have you looked into repairs?
Laevateinn
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Welp,the old girl finally kicked the bucket. Was playing some Saturn,went to the bathroom and came back and she's not getting power anymore. I'm legit depressed right now,I thought this day wouldnt come for while but its been a great ride. I've been emulating alot anyways but it was always nice knowing I could play the real thing if I needed to. May check Craigslist for a regular CRT on the cheap to hold me over. I bought this PVM 10 years ago for $50 from an FX studio,wont find a deal like that again.
Welp,the old girl finally kicked the bucket. Was playing some Saturn,went to the bathroom and came back and she's not getting power anymore. I'm legit depressed right now,I thought this day wouldnt come for while but its been a great ride. I've been emulating alot anyways but it was always nice knowing I could play the real thing if I needed to. May check Craigslist for a regular CRT on the cheap to hold me over. I bought this PVM 10 years ago for $50 from an FX studio,wont find a deal like that again.
Sorry for your loss
This is why I'm shocked that people spend hundreds on PVMs now; they can be gone in the blink of an eye...
Barrel Cannon
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I have this gut feeling you can repair that CRT. Hopefully you have someone to repair in your area. Does anyone know if there is anyone around Toronto who does CRT repairs for PVMs?
Thanks for this useful tidbit. I was looking into recording and uploading some footage in the future and this is something useful to know.
Thanks for this useful tidbit. I was looking into recording and uploading some footage in the future and this is something useful to know.
Welp,the old girl finally kicked the bucket. Was playing some Saturn,went to the bathroom and came back and she's not getting power anymore. I'm legit depressed right now,I thought this day wouldnt come for while but its been a great ride. I've been emulating alot anyways but it was always nice knowing I could play the real thing if I needed to. May check Craigslist for a regular CRT on the cheap to hold me over. I bought this PVM 10 years ago for $50 from an FX studio,wont find a deal like that again.
Noooooo... I got legit sad reading this.
Anyone pick up one of the Hyperkin HDMI NES clones yet? Interested in stacking it up against the relatively expensive options (AVS, NT mini) for playing carts on modern displays, both visually and compat wise. Not expecting great results for the hardcore but the price is nice!
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072PC59FQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20 ($40 when in stock)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072PC59FQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20 ($40 when in stock)
bodine1231
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I'll pop it open sometime later and check for a blown fuse or cap. I've been dealing with two bad monitors on my Blast Citys so I'm kinda sick of messing with them right now.
Good news is that I found a nice 32" Sony KV-32FS for $40 so that should be good enough.
socksfelloff
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You have 2 blast citys? I'm real jealous!
If its a fs100 or 120 itll be a far cry from your PVM but it'll do the job
Hero_of_the_Day
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Massive pics incoming. Here are the various scanline settings on the HiDef NES.
None:
These are all running in 1080p.
I like 5x the most, I think. They aren't as pronounced at a normal viewing distance, as I don't usually sit three feet from my 65" TV. Can barely see them in 2x mode at normal sitting distance.
Also, I discovered that it seems to save all your options on a per resolution basis. I switched to 720p mode, and the shitty scaling turned back on. Switching back to 1080p, it was still off. So, yeah, must save your settings per resolution. Still don't know why that garbage would be on by default.
None:
NES (That's what it's called, I don't know what it means):
2x:
3x:
4x:
5x:
These are all running in 1080p.
I like 5x the most, I think. They aren't as pronounced at a normal viewing distance, as I don't usually sit three feet from my 65" TV. Can barely see them in 2x mode at normal sitting distance.
Also, I discovered that it seems to save all your options on a per resolution basis. I switched to 720p mode, and the shitty scaling turned back on. Switching back to 1080p, it was still off. So, yeah, must save your settings per resolution. Still don't know why that garbage would be on by default.
bodine1231
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I have three but none of them are currently working. Getting a repaired chassis back tomorrow so we'll see how that goes.
You pretty much have to, anything under 1440p for 3D games look even more compressed than they should be.
Shadow Hog
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From the looks of it, it means one artificial scanline per hblank of the NES PPU. That is to say, one scanline per row of pixels of the ~256x240 screen. The other options are just drawing scanlines wherever - it looks more uniform on your TV, but they share no relationship with the placement of pixels on the PPU buffer.
Beer Monkey
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Every one of those other than 2x is 'splitting the raster' and doesn't look like what a real 240p/224p image looks like on a CRT. They are just overlays of black lines that have no relation to the original pixel geometry.
The 2x simply looks like what a 240p-480p upscale looks like, where you get two rasters per original raster.
Hero_of_the_Day
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If I knew what voodoo it took to take a good picture of a CRT, I'd post a comparison of my Trinitron and component NES.
New MLiG video just uploaded. Super UFO Pro 8 - ROM Dumper & Flash Cart for SNES :: Tips & Tweaks
nogoodnamesleft
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Havent used my PVM-20DL5 in a year. To sell or not to sell? The value on these things have fuckin skyrocketted. Are they a ticking time bomb?
sixteen-bit
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Yay, always love me an MLiG upload.
bodine1231
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Laevateinn
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I use that thing to play SNES games on my Super Famicom. I had no idea what other features it had really.
Shadow Hog
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Dunno about a 20DL5, but a 20L5 (no D) is one of the few PVMs to support 480p, so it's in very very high demand.
PumpkinSpice
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Very thorough as usual.
It's no surprise that it doesn't work with SA-1 or the SDD-1 since both directly access ROM on the cartridge circuit board. Neat that other stuff works in some limited fashion.
nogoodnamesleft
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It's the same just saying the local version model number here in Aus. Does 480p yeah
Sells for over 1k AUD here 😲
This is probably a dumb question about Dreamcast VGA but I'm going to ask.
I have a Panasonic Viera TV. It's pretty nice for retro consoles as it has a lot of the inputs like RGB etc.
It has a VGA port. Is there any benefit to me using VGA via an upscaler rather than directly into the TV?
My setup would be Dreamcast > Toro > VGA cable > TV (I need to get RGB to complete the loop!). I do have a Framemeister too
I have a Panasonic Viera TV. It's pretty nice for retro consoles as it has a lot of the inputs like RGB etc.
It has a VGA port. Is there any benefit to me using VGA via an upscaler rather than directly into the TV?
My setup would be Dreamcast > Toro > VGA cable > TV (I need to get RGB to complete the loop!). I do have a Framemeister too
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I could by mistaken, but doesn't the Framemeister use the wrong resolution for Dreamcast games? Like, I remember hearing that one of the advantages of using the OSSC for Dreamcast games is that you can set the output to DTV rather than PC resolution, which wasn't an option on the Framemeister.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Hey, so... what kind of SD card do I need for updating the OSSC firmware? I'm still on version .71, so I could probably stand to get that updated.
Also, did the compatibility for line3x and above get better in later firmware revisions? I could only get line2x to work on my TV, while line3x worked on my g-sync monitor... but I want to play on my TV, and getting some of the fancier options on there would be nice.
Also, did the compatibility for line3x and above get better in later firmware revisions? I could only get line2x to work on my TV, while line3x worked on my g-sync monitor... but I want to play on my TV, and getting some of the fancier options on there would be nice.
NormalFish
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I think the older sub 2gb cards are what's needed, but I'm fairly sure I got a higher capacity card to work by formatting it a specific way. It's been a while, unfortunately, so I'm not much help for the specifics.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Getting a low capacity card is fine by me. I just need to know what the actual SD cards I need look like. I know like... nothing about this stuff.
NormalFish
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I think you want one that's sub 2GB and isn't SDHC or SDXC. Apparently compatibility can be a bit spotty but that's the sort of card you want according to the wiki. There might be a thread on it on the vgp forums.
For me it did. On the previous firmware I could only get 3x and 4x to work. With this new one, 5x works just fine on my main retro gaming television (Samsung UN55ES7500). I haven't tried it on my 4k set yet though.
Speaking of HD/SD Woes....
Does anyone know if there's a proper solution to electronic noise on the PS3's Audio output when using Component? I like to hook my PS3 up to a CRT when playing PSN Classics, since the PS3 doesn't properly upscale anyways, but the reflection noise on the stereo lines forces you to have to ground them, meaning you can't use them for standard audio. (That, and some of the reflection still remains.)
Does anyone know if there's a proper solution to electronic noise on the PS3's Audio output when using Component? I like to hook my PS3 up to a CRT when playing PSN Classics, since the PS3 doesn't properly upscale anyways, but the reflection noise on the stereo lines forces you to have to ground them, meaning you can't use them for standard audio. (That, and some of the reflection still remains.)
What model is it?
Use optical?
bodine1231
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Well this lifted me up a little,after going through a 24 hour depression when my PVM died I got a nice little gift in the mail,my repaired chassis on my Blast City! (only took 2 months to get fixed). The geometry is bad in the corners (blurry too) and there's also pretty bad burn in from Sega Bass Fishing but once the game is playing (especially darker ones) you don't really see it that much.
cyborgnumberblue
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Well this lifted me up a little,after going through a 24 hour depression when my PVM died I got a nice little gift in the mail,my repaired chassis on my Blast City! (only took 2 months to get fixed). The geometry is bad in the corners (blurry too) and there's also pretty bad burn in from Sega Bass Fishing but once the game is playing (especially darker ones) you don't really see it that much.
That's awesome! I definitely have ambitions of owning a candy cab once I have a place big enough for one.
Maybe Jamma Nation X? I don't know if they do repairs but I assume they do. I'd certainly trust them with my hardware.
socksfelloff
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Well, when you specifically mention you're using the analog cables it makes one think you're also using the analog audio!
Do you get the same feedback when using hdmi w/ optical out?
.....How would I get feedback on an HDMI cable?
... how do you get feedback over optical?
Laevateinn
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That's not a very good HDMI cable. You should have listened to the clerk at Best Buy and got monster brand.
That's a pretty good optical cable. The total internal reflection is legit with a great index of refraction.
I can't tell if I'm being dumb with Dreamcast VGA or whether it's my equipment.
I'm running Marvel vs Capcom 2 via VGA to my TV, and when I choose the 60hz option (I'm in the UK so it's PAL) - the screen turns blank and I only get sound.
If I select 50hz it works fine and I get a picture.
I know my TV accepts a 60hz signal as the majority of my collection is NTSC. Also I have played other Dreamcast games in 60hz mode via VGA and they work absolutely fine.
It's really puzzling.
I'm running Marvel vs Capcom 2 via VGA to my TV, and when I choose the 60hz option (I'm in the UK so it's PAL) - the screen turns blank and I only get sound.
If I select 50hz it works fine and I get a picture.
I know my TV accepts a 60hz signal as the majority of my collection is NTSC. Also I have played other Dreamcast games in 60hz mode via VGA and they work absolutely fine.
It's really puzzling.
I think that's an issue with PAL MvC2 itself, rather than you or your equipment, but someone more knowledgeable could probably chime in here.
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