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[ThongyDonk]

The PS3 and Xenon are just going to offer higher end of what we already have, i.e no new ways of game play.
The rev although offering new ways of playing also offers backwards compatability.

For the BC its gotta be able to have a simple way if playing these games, that the rev features won't be needed for.

So to this end, does this mean then that, exclusive games made for the rev, won't be able to be pushed over to the PS3 or Xenon, due to the new control methods, YET PS3/Xenon games will be able to be ported over to Rev due to it being able to also have normal gameplay available with the BC?

May not make sense, but to me, seems a way of making sure EA< Namco, Konami have no resaon not to also make games for the REV as multi platform, whilst ensuring exclusive games stay exclusive?

 

[Amir0x]

The PS3 and Xenon are just going to offer higher end of what we already have, i.e no new ways of game play.
The rev although offering new ways of playing also offers backwards compatability.

For the BC its gotta be able to have a simple way if playing these games, that the rev features won't be needed for.

So to this end, does this mean then that, exclusive games made for the rev, won't be able to be pushed over to the PS3 or Xenon, due to the new control methods, YET PS3/Xenon games will be able to be ported over to Rev due to it being able to also have normal gameplay available with the BC?

May not make sense, but to me, seems a way of making sure EA< Namco, Konami have no resaon not to also make games for the REV as multi platform, whilst ensuring exclusive games stay exclusive?

If you know anything about the business end of things, then your theory toward the end falls flat fast. The only way such a scenario would work is if Revolution somehow catapulted to first place, which it won't.

Anyway, I don't know how true any of this is since I'm pretty sure that now the "differences" won't be near as insurmountable as we thought.

 

[Azelover]

The only way such a scenario would work is if Revolution somehow catapulted to first place, which it won't.

Thing is your theory of writing off game systems before they launch has been applied before to such systems as PlayStation and Famicom.

 

[Raistlin]

The PS3 and Xenon are just going to offer higher end of what we already have, i.e no new ways of game play.

Based on http://forums.gaming-age.com/showthread.php?t=39292, I think you might be jumping the gun - at least where the PS3 is concerned.

 

[refreshZ]

Honestly, you Nintendroids. Can't you wait til we actually see some games before deciding that Xbox2/PS3 games will be upgraded versions of what we have now? Or what gimmick Nintendo have decided us gamers have been missing our whole lives with the Revolution? Because, frankly, I don't think PS3/XBox2 gamers will be too fussed at missing out on TEH INNOVATION if it turns out to be a Three Thumbed Vibrating King Dong that you blow to make Mario/Link/Kirby/whoever sing show tunes.

 

[bigNman]

I don't think PS3/XBox2 gamers will be too fussed at missing out on TEH INNOVATION if it turns out to be a Three Thumbed Vibrating King Dong that you blow on to make Mario/Link/Kirby sing show tunes.

Neither will Nintendo fans like myself. But I doubt they would call a console 'Revolution' if thats all it was.

 

[robertsan21]

i do not think rev will be all that ground breaking as Nintendo is saying. i think it will be a new sort of thing but i still do not understand how they can change something that is already perfekt?

i dont want to play games in anyother way than i am already doing.

Nintendo said that the DS will be such a big seller cause it has something the rest dont, 2 screens and touch screen...yeah might be but why make is so ugly?

hmm well i do not own one and i been a nintendo fan all my life and i do not plan on owning one either.

i am ashamed to say this but since N64 nintendo has lost the touch.
not game wise, i love mario and zelda and nintendo still make awsome games, but i am talking sales wise and thats the most importat thing for a company.

why make the DS so damn ugly, people in this time and age wants beautiful design, cutting edge technology and the DS does not have any of these compared to PSP.
Nintendo does obviusly not know how to design cool stuff that attracts other normal people than gamers.

sony does and thats why PSone is bigger than N64, PS2 bigger than GC and finally PSP will be bigger than DS mark my words!!

i think nintendo should focus on exactly what they are focusing on, but please make the Rev good looking and more powerful than PS3, and let us watch DVDs on it,play music on it well everything that the PS3 have +more

then you might have a chance at the nr 1 spot again...

 

[Amir0x]

Thing is your theory of writing off game systems before they launch has been applied before to such systems as PlayStation and Famicom.

Really? Well. I don't think you should make such generalizations. I'm not "writing off" Revolution, I'm sure it'll be awesome for me. But from a marketshare perspective - we're talking about this in a month where PS2 sold over 500,000 - I can't imagine Nintendo so easily shaking the disasterous perception that mainstream consumers have about it. Not especially when they will be showing clips of Mario 1920 and Kirby Suck and Dash or whatever.

I'm sure you have plenty of faith, but Azelover... the age of Nintendo coming in first - at least for the time being - is not really in the realm of possibility. I can see no scenario where Nintendo can overcome the ridiculous momentum Sony has with its PlayStation brand, or Microsoft has with its slowly growing monelith.

 

[Shinobi]

Honestly, you Nintendroids. Can't you wait til we actually see some games before deciding that Xbox2/PS3 games will be upgraded versions of what we have now? Or what gimmick Nintendo have decided us gamers have been missing our whole lives with the Revolution? Because, frankly, I don't think PS3/XBox2 gamers will be too fussed at missing out on TEH INNOVATION if it turns out to be a Three Thumbed Vibrating King Dong that you blow to make Mario/Link/Kirby/whoever sing show tunes.

:lol :lol :lol

It's also annoying when the competing systems are merely written off as offering nothing new as far as gaming is concerned. While Dreamcast offered the first meaningful online experience for a wide audience, XBox took it up several notches higher by creating a community of gamers, and far more online support for it's titles. And PS2 ushered in the Eyetoy, something that could be standard equipment for XBox 2. Who knows what possibilities that could open up? Even PSP has the ability to throw music and download items into it's games. And the hard drive has obviously had a pretty big impact for XBox. I think it's a mistake to write off the toys from Sony and MS as being nothing but the same old thing...it isn't like any of them have shown their full hand yet (hell they really haven't shown us shit yet), and it'll be some 12 to 18 months before we see these consoles begin to take shape.

Conversely, this is hardly the first time Nintendo has pegged it's new toy as being something different. Virtual Boy was supposed to be the first immersive system ever...nobody cared. Project Reality was constantly pegged as being a quantum leap, which didn't really hold much water at the end of the day. Connectivity was a complete and utter flop in terms of being a suitable replacement for online play. And now we've got the DS trying to differentiate itself from Nintendo's own GBA due to the touch screen, a task I think will become increasinly difficult unless Nintendo and other developers find meaningful ways to take advantage of that touch screen.

But I have to be consistent...the same way XBox 2 and PS3 haven't shown all their capabilities yet, neither has the DS. Perhaps E3 will be the place where the system starts coming into it's own.

 

[johnjohnson]

The PS3 and Xenon are just going to offer higher end of what we already have, i.e no new ways of game play.

:lol

Does your crystal ball also show who is going to win next years Superbowl?

 

[demon]

Goddammit I thought this was about the game BC. [maf_face]

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

i do not think rev will be all that ground breaking as Nintendo is saying. i think it will be a new sort of thing but i still do not understand how they can change something that is already perfekt?

i dont want to play games in anyother way than i am already doing.

Nintendo said that the DS will be such a big seller cause it has something the rest dont, 2 screens and touch screen...yeah might be but why make is so ugly?

hmm well i do not own one and i been a nintendo fan all my life and i do not plan on owning one either.

i am ashamed to say this but since N64 nintendo has lost the touch.
not game wise, i love mario and zelda and nintendo still make awsome games, but i am talking sales wise and thats the most importat thing for a company.

why make the DS so damn ugly, people in this time and age wants beautiful design, cutting edge technology and the DS does not have any of these compared to PSP.
Nintendo does obviusly not know how to design cool stuff that attracts other normal people than gamers.

sony does and thats why PSone is bigger than N64, PS2 bigger than GC and finally PSP will be bigger than DS mark my words!!

i think nintendo should focus on exactly what they are focusing on, but please make the Rev good looking and more powerful than PS3, and let us watch DVDs on it,play music on it well everything that the PS3 have +more

then you might have a chance at the nr 1 spot again...

So you knew that we would eventually need analog sticks. When the PS came out did you the lack of analog thubsticks before the console released or the Saturn for that matter.

How can you say the controllers we have today, when you experience in game development. Innovation comes software, it is up to the console manufacturers to develop hardware that supports that innovation. What would you have rather played Mario64 with, D-pad or analog thumbstick?

 

[gofreak]

i think it will be a new sort of thing but i still do not understand how they can change something that is already perfekt?

...

hmm..

If you're saying we've reached the pinnacle of achievement in terms of game design and/or game control, then..... :lol

 

[robertsan21]

So you knew that we would eventually need analog sticks. When the PS came out did you the lack of analog thubsticks before the console released or the Saturn for that matter.

How can you say the controllers we have today, when you experience in game development. Innovation comes software, it is up to the console manufacturers to develop hardware that supports that innovation. What would you have rather played Mario64 with, D-pad or analog thumbstick?

i know what your saying here. i love the analog stick, it added so much for the gameplay, but what nintendo is doing for Rev feels bad in a way, i still want to controll my games with my hands and nothing else.

but what can nintendo develope that no one else has not already thought about?
i do not think it will be such a revolution as people might think.

oh well only time will tell.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Nintendo said that the DS will be such a big seller cause it has something the rest dont, 2 screens and touch screen...yeah might be but why make is so ugly?

Sigh,

The DS is not an Ugly unit. It's very flash. It's just not PSP flash.

 

[Amir0x]

Sigh,

The DS is not an Ugly unit. It's very flash. It's just not PSP flash.

I agree it's not outright offensive, but it isn't very attractive either. It's just "meh."

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

If you know anything about the business end of things, then your theory toward the end falls flat fast.

Well, it might not keep things totally exclusive, but could keep them the preferred version. RE4 for instance. It's coming to PS2 after-the-fact and other than worse graphics should play pretty much the same. If the game had somehow made extensive use of four controller ports and the analog shoulders + click of the GCN controller, things would be a bit different. Nor would we expect to see Pac-Pix or Feel the Magic on PSP. Of course, it's not like we'll ever see many PSP games show up on DS either.


EDIT: To summarize and reword ThongyDonk's original point: "One console's features being a superset of another console's features gives it a clear advantage." Of course we don't yet know if any console will truly be a superset of the other's features. Even this generation with the controllers at first appearing very similar, none had all the features of the others.

 

[Amir0x]

Well, it might not keep things totally exclusive, but could keep them the preferred version. RE4 for instance. It's coming to PS2 after-the-fact and other than worse graphics should play pretty much the same. If the game had somehow made extensive use of four controller ports and the analog shoulders + click of the GCN controller, things would be a bit different. Nor would we expect to see Pac-Pix or Feel the Magic on PSP. Of course, it's not like we'll ever see many PSP games show up on DS either.

On your RE4 comment, even if it used 4 controller ports it could still go to the PS2. Just multi-tap away, lots of PS2 games use multi-tap

EDIT: To summarize and reword ThongyDonk's original point: "One console's features being a superset of another console's features gives it a clear advantage." Of course we don't yet know if any console will truly be a superset of the other's features. Even this generation with the controllers at first appearing very similar, none had all the features of the others.

Here's the drive of it. Unless a system is in #1, the vast majority of games will make its way to other systems. Shit, even if you're #1 you're going to get many games going to other systems, albeit less so. My point is that unless Revolution becomes the best selling system next gen, companies will put their games on PS3/Xenon first and then toss it to Revolution last/at the same time, adding in some interesting use of whatever Rev's controller is. There will always be exceptions, but that's how it works. Especially with the price of making a game shooting up.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

On your RE4 comment, even if it used 4 controller ports it could still go to the PS2. Just multi-tap away, lots of PS2 games use multi-tap

Sure sure, though it'd be more hassle for the end user. Really, hard to come up with anything (Revolution's fantasticular feature included) that couldn't be done with some sort of external accessory... but it makes it less likely and effective.

Here's the drive of it. Unless a system is in #1, the vast majority of games will make its way to other systems. Shit, even if you're #1 you're going to get many games going to other systems, albeit less so. My point is that unless Revolution becomes the best selling system next gen, companies will put their games on PS3/Xenon first and then toss it to Revolution last/at the same time, adding in some interesting use of whatever Rev's controller is. There will always be exceptions, but that's how it works. Especially with the price of making a game shooting up.

As you say, there are exceptions... but there are also exceptions to the exceptions, which I think is what ThongyDonk is really getting to. Super Monkey Ball, Tales of Symphonia, and Resident Evil 4 are a few examples of games that originally seemed like they would be GameCube exclusive, but later up ended up on other consoles. If they weren't originally being planned to be multiplatform and made use of some exclusive feature, though... well, the company would be a bit stuck. Like any company making an EyeToy game can't later decide they'd like to release it on GameCube or Xbox (at least not without going through a lot of trouble).