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Revolution dev kit information (IGN)
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SolidSnakex
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Nightbringer said:
People are worried about the power of the Rev because everytime its mentioned by someone in the media, its always about how its not that much more powerful that the Cube.
Walter Matthau
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lolthe androgyne said:Gotta love that cube IQ!
btw, i would have put fox but GCN's fur shading is too good for me to cut out quickly
JoshuaJSlone
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It only took N64/GameCube 6 months to hit that price. If we imagine it launching 5 years after GameCube, though, and staying at 75% of the GCN price relative to launch, it would be like...<nu>faust said:
November 2006: $150
May 2007: $112.50
September 2008: $75
And flat from there, give or take bundles.
Certainly such a thing would be possible, but a DS using wifi would be a pretty inefficient use of battery to use the SNES button setup.Blackcherry said:
Yeah, I really shouldn't have brought it up.drohne said:
They've only had 3 price points this generation. They could start at $150 and have more than that with Revolution. $150, $130, $100, $80.jamesinclair said:
Height from the ground, no. But neither can it tell longitude or latitude for the exact position of your controller in the other directions. What it can do is detect motion in any direction, and thus a 3D position relative to an arbitrary starting point.:Motorbass said:
Huh? Not saying that I doubt Teddman, but nowhere in this information does it talk about these devkits coming with a modified Wavebird with a diamond face button setup.Hajiki said:
Is that so unusual? I don't believe GameCube, Xbox, or Xbox 360 were using totally final hardware at E3 the year of their September-November releases.John Harker said:
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Except the Gamecube came out a year later than the PS2, wasn't put together hastily like the Xbox, and was the only console to have the PSU outside the case. Nintendo doesn't have magic technology.Nightbringer said:
And how much do those cost? Keeping in mind that we're talking about "never takes a hit on hardware (even though they do take a slight one)"-Nintendo.
I basically have to assume that the N-Hive consists largely of teens and college students whose parents buy them their computers, since the power/size/cost triangle has been long established and yet they keep trying to use the GC as proof of anything.
SolidSnakex said:
I think people need to stop worrying and DEAL WITH IT. Fact = Rev is the weakes of the 3. Is it more powerful than the Xbox? All signs points to yes as if we compare apples to apple comparisons, twice the speed of the GC CPU is more powerful than the Xbox cpu. And from what we have been told, the graphics card of the Rev is rougly 2-3x the power of the GC but closer to 2x. So graphics will be like the Xbox, maybe a little better, but not much.
That is fact.
People who argue that they barely see a difference between this gen and next-gen in terms of graphics, there are a few things to consider.
First of all, the "next" gen has barely started. There will be big improvements. Also, if you can barely see any improvements from Xbox to 360 despite the big difference in hardware between the two, imagine how little difference you will see between GC and Rev. And how minimal the improvements in graphics probably will be over time compared to 360 and PS3.
But hey, that's just a sidenote since Rev isn't about graphics anyway.
First of all, the "next" gen has barely started. There will be big improvements. Also, if you can barely see any improvements from Xbox to 360 despite the big difference in hardware between the two, imagine how little difference you will see between GC and Rev. And how minimal the improvements in graphics probably will be over time compared to 360 and PS3.
But hey, that's just a sidenote since Rev isn't about graphics anyway.
Kon Tiki said:
And this GCN screenshot of Kameo was in... 2000
And when Kameo 360 released? 2005...
Thx for yours interesting posts...
Maybe Revolution will be a boosted GCN, but I can say that Rev graphics won't be a shame... And I can also say that Kameo is certainly pretty but not amazing...
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
No way dude! Only Xbox level graphics??! I can't believe its near that bad. This isn't a portable... cutting out current gpu technology isn't going to save you much money on a console. It won't be bleeding-edge tech like the PS3, but it will at least use current, already in-use, tech.Monk said:
Nightbringer
Don´t hit me for my bad english plase
Xbox was 3 times more powerful in power than the GCN but it was released for 299$ and with loses of 100$ for every unit sold.
GCN was released for 199$ and without loses.
I am not saying that Revolution will have the same power that 360 and PS3 have, I have no problem with a Revolution being less powerful since I know that Nintendo never has released a hardware with loses.
The problem is that you are selling the idea of the GCN Turbo and this idea is false and pure bullshit, remember that we could have said that the Project Dolphin was a N64 if we toke the rumours that it had around.
GCN CPU--> 180nm, 21 milion transistors.
Revolution CPU ---> 90nm, 84 milion transistors. This conditions if they want a CPU with the same size and price.
GCN GPU---> 180nm, 51 milion transistors
Revolution GPU---> 90nm, 204 milion transistors. In the case that they want a GPU with the same size and price.
Do you have a PSP?
Oh well, take the PSP, overclock the CPU to 500Mhz and 3MB of embedded memoryto the the GPU and boost it to 162Mhz, after all this, add add a programable Color Combinar/Fragment Processor but with limited programability and voila, you have a hardware with the same power of GCN.
thetrin
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So the Revo will have middling graphics? WHO CARES?! I'm buying it for the unparalleled control.
Then again, I'm not a huge fucking graphics whore. I don't care if it looks bad. I just want better interactivity.
Then again, I'm not a huge fucking graphics whore. I don't care if it looks bad. I just want better interactivity.
Striek said:What does that prove?
...nothing.
It proves Nintendo has a track record for innovating game controllers, which have then gone on to change the way we all interact with games. I don't know, I guess that means something to me... Sort of like Sony's track record for graphics... I'm sure the PS3 will be capable of fantastic graphics because of their track record.
Nightbringer
Don´t hit me for my bad english plase
Marathon said:
Are you laughing?
1. Xbox can draw 8 Texels per clock cycle, GCN 4.
2. Xbox Pixel Shader can do 8 op/ALU , GCN TEV can do 4 op/ALU. Both have the same numbers of ALU.
3. Flipper runs at 162Mhz and NV2A runs at 233Mhz.
4. Geometry Engine from Flipper is a 128 bits fixed T&L engine running at 162Mhz, Vertex Shader from Xbox are 2x 128 bits programmable T&L engine runnint at 233Mhz.
JoshuaJSlone said:
Just curious but how do you know this for sure? You make it sound like the Revmote needs a "home" position where you will have to keep moving back to in order to stay centered. I dont think that is how the Revmote would or should work, sorry if I got you wrong.
Not nearly that simple.Nightbringer said:
There's things PSP CPU at 333mhz does faster then Gekko, and things it would still do slower even if you overclocked it to 500mhz+.
GPU comparison is even less straighforward, but I guess if you talk about modifying fragment processing as a 'minor' thing then everything could be called "a minor modification".
There's really no point in having the best hardware if all the developers you have working on it can't make games with steady frame rates. Thats like saying well, our rocket has the biggest engine and can go really far, but it sputters out now and then. Make that, sputters out A LOT.
SolidSnakex
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PolyGone said:
That's more a dev problem than hardware If they can't get a steady framerate on powerful hardware then they probably couldn't do much better on weaker hardware.
psycho_snake
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I couldnt care less if Rev will be the weakest of the 3. If Rev can pull of graphics like those in RE4 and better then why the fuck would anyone complain? The graphics for rev games wont be as good as those in MGS4, but that doesnt matter much because Rev will still be capable of pulling off superb graphics like those in RE4. What is important is that nintendo are offering us what looks like a fantastic new way to play games. After all, if the gameplay is going to be amazing why does anyone have to worry about the game not being able to look as good as MGS4?
SolidSnakex
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PolyGone said:
If they don't have bump mapping they'll just use some other effect to get advanced graphics and you'll still have framerate problems. The PS2 doesn't really use bump mapping but there's still framerate problems. It has to do with devs pushing hardware further than it can go, or devs just not being able to handle the hardware as lower budget games will show.
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And who wrote that?Merlin said:This excites me...
Monk said:
How can you possibly know this.
Nightbringer said:
People need to stop comparing APPLES to ORANGES. This proves nothing related to any potential power of Revolution. The philosophies behind the design are entirely different. MacBook Pros start at 2000 dollars! Even if you removed the need for a screen, you're never going to get a system that is CHEAP as well as 3 DVD CASES TALL and as powerful as these other systems. Or even close.
Revolution is trying to offer this, presumably, at a price of 249.99 or less. Again, for the millionth time, ala Shogmaster:
SMALL, CHEAP, POWERFUL - you can pick only two.
This is good to remember for those with fantastical dreams. Revolution is about revmote. It's not about power. Revolution is not going to be able to offer comparable visual punch at 249.99 or less, with revmote technology, in a system that's 3 DVD cases tall. It's just not a feasible fantasy, especially knowing Nintendo's philosophy of losing as little money as possible on every unit.
And that's fine. As some have already suggested, they're fine with RE4 level games or a little bit better. Revolution is about revmote. New ways to play games. Enjoy that shit, focus on it instead of this.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
btw, IGNmatt fielded a bunch of questions about Revolution last night at the IGNboards. One of the things he said is that he's heard details on a half-dozen Rev. games in development.
DefectiveReject
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Merlin said:This excites me...
if you're gonna quote leave the people you have quoted in
DefectiveReject
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I do think the news that at least 6 MAJOR games that we don't know about are in development, deserves its own topic as its not really getting seen in here, and Matt is hyped for them from what he has seen of them!
Amir0x said:
Gamecube says hello!
A fraction of the size of the XBox, a fraction of the price, and able to push out roughly comparable visuals (at the start of the gen, Rogue Leader looked better than any XBox launch game, and at the end, RE4 is considered one of the best looking games around).
I do agree with you in principle, though, of course the Revolution isn't going to have the same brute specs as the other next-gen consoles, but given how well Nintendo managed their hardware last time around, you'd have to have some form of severe brain trauma to claim that Nintendo are too stupid to be able to put together a machine more powerful than the XBox for a decent price, 5 years later.
Going by Moore's Law alone, you've got a machine with 10 times the raw power of the Gamecube for the same price; even if there's significantly less space for ventilation inside the case, a console barely more powerful than the current gen would have to cost $50 for Nintendo to follow their "no significant losses or gains on hardware" mantra.
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