The Scrivener
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I AM TRIGGERED. DEMONITIZE THESE BRAINLETS. REEEEEEEEE...
(Edit: Wait, only an hour long? I am triggered. Oh well...)
(Edit: Wait, only an hour long? I am triggered. Oh well...)
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Richard Dawkins on JRE
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MiyazakiHatesKojima
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We're not living in 2006 anymore, OP.
The Scrivener
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I don't get it. Richard Dawkins is not cool anymore? I'm not cool anymore? Current Year is not cool anymore? Just shut up and enjoy the video, you ain't getting a like this time.
Edit: I jest, in case you can't tell. As a Buddhist, I support pro-science, and I'm anti-anti-reason. I hope this conversation is fun and enlightening.
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MiyazakiHatesKojima
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The dude is a legit WEIRDO. Motherfucker advocated for cannibalism at one point. Must've been a side effect from his last stroke. Can't say it was the genius kind of stroke lol.
The Scrivener
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Cool. To be honest, I've not got around to reading anything by him, yet. I don't know his stance on religion, other than he hates it. I'm gonna watch now and read his books later. I posted this because I thought this would be a controversial podcast - I'm sure Dawkins pisses off the alt-left too no doubt probably maybe (white male science).
My take is that religion and science can work together quite easily, with better results than anything anti-reason and feminism and the alt-left have ever done.
Hopefully this podcast goes into these topics.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
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The dude is a militant athiest. He literally wants no religions to exist and calls for the destruction of the Abrahamic religions explicitly.
His books have been refuted in the past and his contributions have not had a long-lasting impact on both science and society. The only thing that society accepted from him is the term "Meme" which they turned into a mockery of sorts (and they say God isn't a comedian).
The Scrivener
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OK. Yeah, I've heard a few times these Atheists think they coined the term meme and give long complex answers about how the whole of language and reality is a meme and that that is where the word comes from.
I've got one answer to that.
HONK
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The Scrivener
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Tell you what
MiyazakiHatesKojima
, if you watch the video, I'll give you a free like on your first post. Consider it working for NeoGAF likes.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
, if you watch the video, I'll give you a free like on your first post. Consider it working for NeoGAF likes.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
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Welcome to the Kingdom of God, Mr. O'Nally.
The Scrivener
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There's a great series on YouTube about how the anti-science movement managed to destroy some of the Atheist movement, in case I get blasted for linking the religious cult of the alt-left (the Fabians shhh) to Buddhism, science, and this JRE podcast.
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The Scrivener
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Watching now... God, Dawkins' eyes when he asks Joe a question, that stare, I can imagine red lasers coming out.
jonnyp
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Militant atheist? Criticizing BS dogma is not militant.
Shrap
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Dawkins invented the word and its definition in the 70s. It's a unit of cultural information that is spread by imitation. Since he's a biologist he created it as a cultural version of a gene, which is why it has a similar sounding name and definition.
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The Scrivener
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Dawkins says a legal copy of The God Delusion from his CfI website has been downloaded 13 million times in Arabic.
Doing God's work, nice one Dawkins. Maybe we'll see change over time from vicious fundamentalist religions.
Doing God's work, nice one Dawkins. Maybe we'll see change over time from vicious fundamentalist religions.
E-Cat
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Dawkins is a respected evolutionary biologist who wrote a seminal book on the subject, The Selfish Gene:
The Selfish Gene - Wikipedia
Just because the religious right's hate towards him peaked in the mid-2000s, or whatever, does not make his serious scientific work any less relevant today.
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E-Cat
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Dawkins supports the freedom of religion (distinct from saying the world would be better off without any religions). Please provide me with any evidence to the contrary.
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The Scrivener
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Maybe this'll help...? Ignore his noise.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
is a militant Gaffer. He literally wants no other Gaffers to exist and calls for the destruction of better Gaffers explicitly.
dan76
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I think Dawkins is great. Looking forward to this. Shame it's only an hour.
The whole believe what you want to believe is fine as long as your not forcing that belief on anyone else, or harming others with your belief and practises - and I'd include animals in this. Dawkins is a legit pushback against delusional beliefs.
The whole believe what you want to believe is fine as long as your not forcing that belief on anyone else, or harming others with your belief and practises - and I'd include animals in this. Dawkins is a legit pushback against delusional beliefs.
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Lister
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Dawkins personsl hot yskes in his latter years dont take away from his accomplishments in science or his grest arguments against the idiocy that is religion.
A lot of his books are a great introduction to how evolution works and the long road we took to learn about it.
A lot of his books are a great introduction to how evolution works and the long road we took to learn about it.
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HaveButOneLife
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It is when you do so in a condescending manner, like calling it "BS".
JimmyJones
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I used to like Dawkins but the dude has cucked HARD in recent years. I shall give it a watch.
Lister
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Sounds accurate. I mean what else do you call iron age sheepherder mythology when taken seriously at face value by someone in this century?
Besides people like you would be offended if we called it anything other than "the gospel truth".
Ornlu
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Atheism is 100% a religion/cult. It's just replacing belief in a power higher than man, and enjoying the sense of moral superiority that comes from being "more intelligent" than the religious masses. Unfortunately "more intelligent" usually really translates to "being a person with a lot of disposable time and wealth, with no desire for responsibility or accountability".
There is a vast, vast gulf between "Well I don't really know what exists beyond what can be observed" and "All religion is poisonous lies, and must be destroyed by force!".
Tesseract
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it's faith in the great beyond and a wonderful story filled with countless hyperlinks
you see what you want to
E-Cat
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Not being considerate of religious people's feelings by calling their beliefs ridiculous is being militant? lol. When I hear the word 'militant', I'm thinking lynchings and suppression of civil liberties, but okay then.
While there are probably neckbeards like you describe, you are ascribing a really petty philosophy to atheists by claiming that their position on THE question (whether or not the Universe has a supernatural component) is dictated by a smug desire to feel superior to the masses.
Eh, nevermind. I just realized you probably draw a huge distinction between "agnostic" and "atheist". I would describe myself as an atheist for all intents and purposes, except for the part where I am 100% sure (because it is physically impossible to know anything for certain). Even with that, I would really, really prefer there to be a God, because it would make the world a lot more interesting. But my atheism, or whatever you wish to call it, stems from a "best guess" given the evidence/lack thereof, and has nothing to do with my ego or how I would like things to be. Why should that have any bearing on what I think is true?
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Punished Miku
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Had no idea GAF was made up of so many religious snowflakes.
HaveButOneLife
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You wanted militant atheism to be defined, well, this defines it.
But really that's just, like, your opinion man. Pretty bold and arrogant of you to claim it's mythology.
Cybrwzrd
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Ornlu
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And I can respect where you are coming from. I take no issue with your stated position. However, your position really doesn't sound like a hardcore atheist, at all. Not believing in what you cannot see/prove is perfectly acceptable. Being so against the thought of people believing in something more than themselves, that you base your whole life and worldview around it is when one becomes an atheist of the stripe common on the internet.
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No, it's not. There are some people who act that way, but ultimately atheism boils down to this: I believe that the scientific method is valid... and because there is no scientific evidence that gods exist, I operate on the belief that there are no gods.
What you're describing is militant atheism, not atheism as a whole. I'm not in a rush to see religion end, and I know it sometimes inspires things like selflessness, compassion and humility. I just think it eventually will end, and that it poses real dangers at times -- particularly when it's codified into law.
Slings and Arrows
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I thought meme was used in psychology?
E-Cat
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It is, a British psychologist by the name of Susan Blackmore wrote a whole book on it called The Meme Machine:
The Meme Machine - Wikipedia
Though, it's more about how memetics gives a plausible explanation for the unusually rapid evolution and expansion of the human neocortex. But she got the term from Dawkins and, incidentally, he wrote the foreword for the book.
The Scrivener
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We're all Gaffists really studying Gaffologism, and Mario is our God.
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Is it arrogant to claim Greek and Roman deities mythology? How about Celtic and Norse myths? Aztec myths? Native American myths? Berber myths?
The same is true of Abrahamic religions.
All are stories created by struggling human brains to deal with the enormous complexity of reality in a cold and indifferent universe.
People want to believe in a universe that revolves around them. They are temporary beings that want to exist forever and fear erasure.
Believing that you are the chosen creation of some penultimate being with a destiny and that you might live forever is just comforting to many.
E-Cat
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It's quite simple: There's a strong correlation between political conservatism and religious snowflake-ism.
Tesseract
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not dis shittu againu
E-Cat
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Since politically conservative people are more religious in general, it stands to reason that there's also a larger subset of religious snowflakes vs liberal (religious) snowflakes . Or, are you disputing my point about GAF's general political leanings?
Ornlu
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Tesseract
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more so the latter, you are of course right about the former
the snowflake bit is questionable, most go to church and get on their way
E-Cat
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And I would not necessarily call those folks religious snowflakes, unless they acted in a way that warranted it.
GAF has certainly became more conservative since The Exodus, I think we can all agree on that.
The Scrivener
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Interestingly for the same reasons as a religious person: "you spent your whole life believing in something which turned out not to be true".
i.e. If Atheist Dawkins saw, through drugs, the spiritual connectedness of the universe, he would have been gutted at the age of an old man.
Not belittling the guy though, it was a great well balanced conversation.
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How is it not a mythology? There is nothing inherently more believable in the Bible than in Norse mythology or the Illiad.
Where do you draw the line? God is okay, but claim you saw a ghost or an angel and everyone thinks you're a loon.
Ornlu
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Well, for one thing, there are 2 meanings to the word "myth".
1. a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.
2. A widely held but false belief or idea
So are you asking about the former, or the latter? Literally any story, at all, true or not, is technically a "myth" according to the former, or will become one, given time. Or, if referring to the latter, as used in most modern language, a "myth" is a common belief that is incorrect.
If you're saying someone is stupid for believing in or seeing the value of an old story, that is obviously going to irritate people. Especially when done for no reason other than to demean the value of the story. Or claiming that a story is BS because it is old.
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