Richard Dawkins on JRE

No, it's not. There are some people who act that way, but ultimately atheism boils down to this: I believe that the scientific method is valid... and because there is no scientific evidence that gods exist, I operate on the belief that there are no gods.

What you're describing is militant atheism, not atheism as a whole. I'm not in a rush to see religion end, and I know it sometimes inspires things like selflessness, compassion and humility. I just think it eventually will end, and that it poses real dangers at times -- particularly when it's codified into law.

I respectfully disagree. Human beings are inherently "religious". The act of religion is not going away. If one chooses to worship an idea, a political cause, themselves, or material things, they are still behaving religiously. It's fairly obvious and observable in our own modern world.
 
Dawkins supports the freedom of religion (distinct from saying the world would be better off without any religions). Please provide me with any evidence to the contrary.

Check out the minutes (42:09) and (46:16) of the video. I think it's very clear that he makes those claims explicitly.

Checkmate, Athiest.

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Well, for one thing, there are 2 meanings to the word "myth".

1. a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.

2. A widely held but false belief or idea



So are you asking about the former, or the latter? Literally any story, at all, true or not, is technically a "myth" according to the former, or will become one, given time. Or, if referring to the latter, as used in most modern language, a "myth" is a common belief that is incorrect.

If you're saying someone is stupid for believing in or seeing the value of an old story, that is obviously going to irritate people. Especially when done for no reason other than to demean the value of the story. Or claiming that a story is BS because it is old.

I'm not saying anyone is stupid. I enjoy the stories a great deal, and I have many books about various mythologies. But I view then as just that, stories. There's nothing more or less supernatural about the bible compared to Zeus and his crazy bunch.
 
Atheism is 100% a religion/cult. It's just replacing belief in a power higher than man, and enjoying the sense of moral superiority that comes from being "more intelligent" than the religious masses. Unfortunately "more intelligent" usually really translates to "being a person with a lot of disposable time and wealth, with no desire for responsibility or accountability".

There is a vast, vast gulf between "Well I don't really know what exists beyond what can be observed" and "All religion is poisonous lies, and must be destroyed by force!".

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Check out the minutes (42:09) and (46:16) of the video. I think it's very clear that he makes those claims explicitly.

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I have actually seen that debate before, but watched those parts anyway to humour you (because I care <3).

So, basically, Dawkins says the world would be a better place if religion disappeared tomorrow, and that he hopes that in due time the Abrahamic religions will disappear, too. I don't see how anyone could interpret that as "calling for the destruction of the Abrahamic religions".

It's like the difference between quietly hoping Trump kicks the bucket vs inciting a revolution.
 
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I have actually seen that debate before, but watched those parts anyway to humour you (because I care <3).

So, basically, Dawkins says the world would be a better place if religion disappeared tomorrow, and that he hopes that in due time the Abrahamic religions will disappear, too. I don't see how anyone could interpret that as "calling for the destruction of the Abrahamic religions".

It's like the difference between quietly hoping Trump kicks the bucket vs inciting a revolution.
Typical Ricardo Dickens fans, always using the semantics argument. You know better than this, don't derail the fact that I provided the evidence. Destruction is a strong term, I admit, but those claims he made are akin to it (Destruction=Removal=Erasing=Vanishing).
 
I have actually seen that debate before, but watched those parts anyway to humour you (because I care <3).

So, basically, Dawkins says the world would be a better place if religion disappeared tomorrow, and that he hopes that in due time the Abrahamic religions will disappear, too. I don't see how anyone could interpret that as "calling for the destruction of the Abrahamic religions".

It's like the difference between quietly hoping Trump kicks the bucket vs inciting a revolution.
Dawkins supports the freedom of religion (distinct from saying the world would be better off without any religions). Please provide me with any evidence to the contrary.
So, basically, Dawkins says the world would be a better place if religion disappeared tomorrow, and that he hopes that in due time the Abrahamic religions will disappear, too.

That seems pretty cut and dry. He directly gave you evidence to the contrary, as per your request.
 
That seems pretty cut and dry. He directly gave you evidence to the contrary, as per your request.
Ok, so I just realized I worded my initial post poorly. I meant to say that Dawkins both supports the freedom of religion AND believes the world would be better off without religion, NOT that the latter is distinct from the former. The evidence that MiyazakiHatesKojima MiyazakiHatesKojima provided only confirms what I said.

You can say that this is me arguing in bad faith or going back on what I said earlier, but this is what I meant all along; i.e., Dawkins wishes for religions to end, but is emphatically not a fascist who tries to deny people their freedom to believe in whatever they want to believe in.

I don't know what I'm even bothering to continue with this argument, as I am intimately familiar with his works and have watched hundreds of interviews. I am a man of great integrity, and If he said anything that rubbed me the wrong way, I am sure I would have noticed. Anyway, feel free to ridicule me for that semantic mistake I made earlier.
 
Typical Ricardo Dickens fans, always using the semantics argument. You know better than this, don't derail the fact that I provided the evidence. Destruction is a strong term, I admit, but those claims he made are akin to it (Destruction=Removal=Erasing=Vanishing).

And I guess I could say that this is a typical response from religious types, equating the desire to see something gone with violently destroying it. I guess that's what you get from following violent gods.

Just following your lead here.
 
And I guess I could say that this is a typical response from religious types, equating the desire to see something gone with violently destroying it. I guess that's what you get from following violent gods.

Just following your lead here.
I think you may have stumbled upon something here. After all, to the religious mind wishing for something (=prayer) equates to affecting physical change on the world.
 
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Ok, so I just realized I worded my initial post poorly. I meant to say that Dawkins both supports the freedom of religion AND believes the world would be better off without religion, NOT that the latter is distinct from the former. The evidence that MiyazakiHatesKojima MiyazakiHatesKojima provided only confirms what I said.

You can say that this is me arguing in bad faith or going back on what I said earlier, but this is what I meant all along; i.e., Dawkins wishes for religions to end, but is emphatically not a fascist who tries to deny people their freedom to believe in whatever they want to believe in.

I don't know what I'm even bothering to continue with this argument, as I am intimately familiar with his works and have watched hundreds of interviews. I am a man of great integrity, and If he said anything that rubbed me the wrong way, I am sure I would have noticed. Anyway, feel free to ridicule me for that semantic mistake I made earlier.

Nah man, we're good. No ridicule.
 
He is not only a well respected evolutionary biologist who has done a pretty good job at divulging science & biology, but also a charmingly handsome, funny and charismatic gentleman who happens to be right about religions, especially islam.



What if you're wrong about the great Juju at the bottom of the sea?

RELIGIOUS FAGS BTFO.
 
The dude is a militant athiest. He literally wants no religions to exist and calls for the destruction of the Abrahamic religions explicitly.His books have been refuted in the past and his contributions have not had a long-lasting impact on both science and society.

What are you talking about? Dawkins neither seeks to "destroy religion" nor is he a militant atheist. He is merely the modern continuation of enlightenment values that seek to liberate reason and science from dogmatic faith that runs contrary to the scientific method. He specifically rejects religious worldviews that are not in accordance with scientific fact such as creationism and intelligent design. As such he stands firmly in the tradition of enlightened secular thinkers such as Hume, Kant and Bertrand Russell.

Dawkins, like most other atheists, have no problem with religious people, so long as their practice their faith in their own private sphere. This means that he is a strong advocate for a secular state which is founded on universal humanistic values and not on religious principles that can only be accepted by a specific denomination. Dawkins argues that church and state should be separate, which I tend to strongly agree with.

Oh and did I mention that he's also a renowned evolutionary biologist? You know, the very same people who stem the tide against the insanity that emanates from post-modern gender studies. I'd urge you to actually read his seminal and quite influential book "The God Delusion", before spreading such misinformation about him. You're just being a triggered snowflake, because he criticizes your faith which you quite obviously take very personally.
 
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What are you talking about? Dawkins neither seeks to "destroy religion" nor is he a militant atheist. He is merely the modern continuation of enlightenment values that seek to liberate reason and science from dogmatic faith that runs contrary to the scientific method. He specifically rejects religious worldviews that are not in accordance with scientific fact such as creationism and intelligent design. As such he stands firmly in the tradition of enlightened secular thinkers such as Hume, Kant and Bertrand Russell.

Dawkins, like most other atheists, have no problem with religious people, so long as their practice their faith in their own private sphere. This means that he is a strong advocate for a secular state which is founded on universal humanistic values and not on religious principles that can only be accepted by a specific denomination. Dawkins argues that church and state should be separate, which I tend to strongly agree with.

Oh and did I mention that he's also a renowned evolutionary biologist? You know, the very same people who stem the tide against the insanity that emanates from post-modern gender studies. I'd urge you to actually read his seminal and quite influential book "The God Delusion", before spreading such misinformation about him. You're just being a triggered snowflake, because he criticizes your faith which you quite obviously take very personally.
LMFAO You really are a typical fedora-tipping euphoric athiest. Not surprised to see you fall from grace on the Top 20 GAF list, just like your buddy Ricardo Dickens falling from the grace of current political discussions. The heyday of the 4 horsemen are long gone, just like the charlatans that came before them. They will vanish like the stench of an old fart.

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You can say that this is me arguing in bad faith or going back on what I said earlier, but this is what I meant all along; i.e., Dawkins wishes for religions to end, but is emphatically not a fascist who tries to deny people their freedom to believe in whatever they want to believe in.

The thing is even though he might not want some kind of violent and coerced end to religion, he still wants it gone. He wants a way of life and belief to just disappear. Often, faith brings hope, charity, and love into people's lives. They don't hurt anyone with their beliefs and seek to improve themselves and society to get closer to God. To many, faith is a part of them, it isn't something that can simply be "removed". Don't you see why some people may be offended by Dawkins?

He also has made a lot of bad faith arguments against religion, and doesn't really address why people believe the things they believe. He also is under the impression that faith and reason are contradictory rather than complimentary forces, which just isn't true. Many people believe in both science and theology and the two aren't at odds. Dawkins seems to presume that all the religious must be fundamentalists and creationists when that isn't the case.
 
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He is not only a well respected evolutionary biologist who has done a pretty good job at divulging science & biology, but also a charmingly handsome, funny and charismatic gentleman who happens to be right about religions, especially islam.



What if you're wrong about the great Juju at the bottom of the sea?

RELIGIOUS FAGS BTFO.

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LMFAO You really are a typical fedora-tipping euphoric athiest.

Your brain must be firing on all cylinders to come up with such impressive insults. This is your peak intellectual performance, I'm afraid your brain might overload if you keep using more hollow buzzwords.

Not surprised to see you fall from grace on the Top 20 GAF list, just like your buddy Ricardo Dickens falling from the grace of current political discussions.

This isn't the first time you've made such a stupid comment about GAF's top member list. Fact check, nobody except you cares about that sh*t, because we're not insecure little egotists that derive their own self-worth from a forum hit list and have real things to worry about. I have better things to do in life than go fishing for likes with dumb comments such as yours.

The heyday of the 4 horsemen are long gone, just like the charlatans that came before them. They will vanish like the stench of an old fart.

The only thing that lingers like an old fart on this forum are your low effort shit-posts and silly ad hominem attempts. It's funny how your religious principles are thrown overboard the moment somebody dares criticize your cozy little worldview. You sound like a Resetera poster who's talking about Jordan Peterson. Say about Dawkins what you want, but at least he doesn't turn into a giant immature prick like yourself once his arguments are challenged.

So stop REEEing and come back if you have an actual argument to present.
 
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It's fun to watch someone so vehemently discredit other people beliefs when he so vehemently believes in his own dogmas and tribal influence, as he described never taking drugs because of what someone told him instead of making his own decision.

Whatever happened to the "we don't know shit"...
 
Your brain must be firing on all cylinders to come up with such impressive insults. This is your peak intellectual performance, I'm afraid your brain might overload if you keep using more hollow buzzwords.



This isn't the first time you've made such a stupid comment about GAF's top member list. Fact check, nobody except you cares about that sh*t, because we're not insecure little egotists that derive their own self-worth from a forum hit list and have real things to worry about. I have better things to do in life than go fishing for likes with dumb comments such as yours.



The only thing that lingers like an old fart on this forum are your low effort shit-posts and silly ad hominem attempts. It's funny how your religious principles are thrown overboard once somebody starts taking apart your cozy little worldview. Stop REEEing and come back if you have an actual argument to present.
How was I supposed to respond to your post other than reciprocating it with a low-effort shitpost? Have you read your own post? You sounded like you were sniffing your own fart while holding a glass of French wine. In other words, you were trying to sound more intellectual than you really are.

A fucking parody post is what I felt like your post was. You can try to insult me all you want and think you have the last word, but in reality, your kind are becoming less and less common nowadays, thank God.

You want a serious reply from someone? Try to not sound like a pseudo-intellect that just just passed philosophy 101. I don't care if you reference Kant, your post didn't add anything to the discussion that I had with the other posters (who I took more seriously) except sound like Ricardo Dicken's personal PR mouthpiece.
 
Had no idea GAF was made up of so many religious snowflakes.
I'm an atheist and I hate smug atheist cunts. People that make people like me look bad. Bunch of psuedo intellectual retards that always have to talk down to everybody that isn't some "le enlightened neckbeard r/atheism flying spaghetti monster god". They all act like The Amazing Atheist back in the old youtube days.

DAE THINK RELIGION IS GAY???? IMAGINE BELIEVING IN GOD LMAO. I ONLY BELIEVE IN RICK AND MORTY. IT'S A SMART SHOW THAT DABS ON ALL THE CHRISTCUCKS.
 
I'm an atheist and I hate smug atheist cunts. People that make people like me look bad. Bunch of psuedo intellectual retards that always have to talk down to everybody that isn't some "le enlightened neckbeard r/atheism flying spaghetti monster god". They all act like The Amazing Atheist back in the old youtube days.

DAE THINK RELIGION IS GAY???? IMAGINE BELIEVING IN GOD LMAO. I ONLY BELIEVE IN RICK AND MORTY. IT'S A SMART SHOW THAT DABS ON ALL THE CHRISTCUCKS.
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...when he so vehemently believes in his own dogmas and tribal influence, as he described never taking drugs...

Wow, I never thought that the conscious choice to not take drugs would ever be used as an argument against somebody. What is dogmatic about enjoying a clear mind?

How was I supposed to respond to your post other than reciprocating it with a low-effort shitpost? Have you read your own post? You sounded like you were sniffing your own fart while holding a glass of French wine. In other words, you were trying to sound more intellectual than you really are.

A fucking parody post is what I felt like your post was. You can try to insult me all you want and think you have the last word, but in reality, your kind are becoming less and less common nowadays, thank God.

You want a serious reply from someone? Try to not sound like a pseudo-intellect that just just passed philosophy 101. I don't care if you reference Kant, your post didn't add anything to the discussion that I had with the other posters (who I took more seriously) except sound like Ricardo Dicken's personal PR mouthpiece.

Wtf, did I stumble into a weird episode of Idiocracy or what?



Your whole reply basically boils down to a critique of my eloquence. I explained in a concise manner why your assumptions about Dawkins are ill-founded and all you manage to come up with are silly insults. I didn't even try to sound smart, but if you're afraid of "big words", maybe you shouldn't be in this thread talking childish crap like that.
 
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The thing is even though he might not want some kind of violent and coerced end to religion, he still wants it gone.

So?

Religions are a poison, anybody who seeks the greater good for humanity should be against the teachings that make people think irrationally and value their silly beliefs before the rights and lives of other people.

You shouldn't teach children that gender is a construct, neither you should teach them that fairy tales are real and are the most important thing ever.

Often, faith brings hope, charity, and love into people's lives.

Quite the contrary, faith brings despair, terror, irrationality, absolutism and hate into people's lives. Go to any muslim country and see it for yourself.

The more advanced countries in the world are the ones in which religion has been displaced, the more backward ones are those in which religion is everything. Coincidence? I don't think so.

To many, faith is a part of them, it isn't something that can simply be "removed".

They were born without it, they could live a perfect life without knowing the existence of some magic invisible friend, like millions of other people do.

Don't you see why some people may be offended by Dawkins?

Yes, because they are fanatics.

He also has made a lot of bad faith arguments against religion,

Like for example?

and doesn't really address why people believe the things they believe.

He has adressed it plenty of times. There's nothing magic or mysterious about people blindly believing whatever tale they tell themselves to feel better, it's a pretty clear and identified behaviour.

He also is under the impression that faith and reason are contradictory rather than complimentary forces, which just isn't true.

Of course it's true, faith is the antagonist of reason. To have faith is to believe in irrationality.

There's smart people who simply shutdown their beliefs when they are conducting tasks that require to be rational.

Dawkins seems to presume that all the religious must be fundamentalists and creationists when that isn't the case.

Dawkins states that religions tend to fanatism, because their teachings are based on irrationality. The less religious a person is, the less chance that person becomes a fanatical.

The less religious people have become, the more have their societies advanced.

Sorry dude, it's maths.
 
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Agnosticism is the only truly rational position. Goes back to Pascal's wager; infinite loss versus nothingness and no regrets.
 
Wtf, did I stumble into a weird episode of Idiocracy or what?
Funny you mention that because thought I stumbled into a weird episode of South Park:

Your whole reply basically boils down to a critique of my eloquence. I explained in a concise manner why your assumptions about Dawkins are ill-founded and all you manage to come up with are silly insults. I didn't even try to sound smart, but if you're afraid of "big words", maybe you shouldn't be in this thread talking childish crap like that.
You see, this is what I'm talking about. Smugness combined with a disturbing lack of awareness creates an urge in me to shitpost all over your "eLoQuEnT" argument. Just admit that you lost to MHK and move on with your life.

Also, here's how I imagine you to look like when you were writing your eloquently smug posts in this thread
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Maté, athée.
 
Agnosticism is the only truly rational position. Goes back to Pascal's wager; infinite loss versus nothingness and no regrets.

Agnosticism is just laziness and cowardice. You're worse than a religious person, at least they take a side, even if it's the wrong & the evil one.

Oh, you can't prove that God exist, but you can't disprove it either. So anything is possible! Aha! Look how superior I am because I don't take any side!

Oh, yes, yes. It's totally possible that Muhammad went into the seventh heaven flying on his winged horse with a human face. It's also possible that he cut the moon, so that's why the waning moon exist. It's not obviously a stupid tale people told in old times because they didn't know how to explain the waning moon so they invented stupid ass basic shit to do so. It's not like science has destroyed 99,9% of the things religions have claimed for centuries.

We have evidence that most of the myths of the Abrahamic religions predate them and were originated in more ancestral cultures. And the Abrahamic religions simply took those myths and rearranged them in their image to make an etnocentric sincretism of fairy tales.
 
Agnosticism is just laziness and cowardice. You're worse than a religious person, at least they take a side, even if it's the wrong & the evil one.

Oh, you can't prove that God exist, but you can't disprove it either. So anything is possible! Aha! Look how superior I am because I don't take any side!

Oh, yes, yes. It's totally possible that Muhammad went into the seventh heaven flying on his winged horse with a human face. It's also possible that he cut the moon, so that's why the waning moon exist. It's not obviously a stupid tale people told in old times because they didn't know how to explain the waning moon so they invented stupid ass basic shit to do so. It's not like science has destroyed 99,9% of the things religions have claimed for centuries.

We have evidence that most of the myths of the Abrahamic religions predate them and were originated in more ancestral cultures. And the Abrahamic religions simply took those myths and rearranged them in their image to make an etnocentric sincretism of fairy tales.
God damn, Jon Sneu, I never took you to be a hardcore atheist. I hope I never have to gift you Gold again, but mark my words, I will avenge you......FOR THE WATCH!

Now, on a serious note, what made you have these hardcore beliefs against religions? Would you mind tell us what led you to these conclusions?
 
*glances over at resetera*

Wokeness it's a religion.

It's by far the most succesful religion of this century so far. That's why they are so fanatical and hiveminded.

God damn, Jon Sneu, I never took you to be a hardcore atheist. I hope I never have to gift you Gold again, but mark my words, I will avenge you......FOR THE WATCH!

Now, on a serious note, what made you have these hardcore beliefs against religions? Would you mind tell us what led you to these conclusions?

My father is a christian evangelic. I have dealt with religious irrationality literally all my life and I guess that makes me more on the fence against it.

Still, I can appreciate the beauty of some messages and intents of religions and respect people's beliefs, as long as they are not invassive. Believe whatever you want, just don't be an asshole.

For example, Bruce Springsteen is my favourite musician and a lot of it's lyrics and music it's filled with christianity. I can respect a person believing in God, because it's still a person. And some of the messages of christianity or any other religion can be really good and powerful, because some of them are ancient pieces of wisdom & testimony of the breakthroughs our ancestors did at some point in their lives, embellished but true at their core.

 
My father is a christian evangelic. I have dealt with religious irrationality literally all my life and I guess that makes me more on the fence against it.

Still, I can appreciate the beauty of some messages and intents of religions and respect people's beliefs, as long as they are not invassive. Believe whatever you want, just don't be an asshole.

For example, Bruce Springsteen is my favourite musician and a lot of it's lyrics and music it's filled with christianity. I can respect a person believing in God, because it's still a person. And some of the messages of christianity or any other religion can be really good and powerful, because some of them are ancient pieces of wisdom & testimony of the breakthroughs our ancestors did at some point in their lives, embellished but true at their core.
Beautifully said, my friend.

I hope we both find peace with our truths in this life.
 
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Wow, I never thought that the conscious choice to not take drugs would ever be used as an argument against somebody. What is dogmatic about enjoying a clear mind?

No no no, it's not about not taking drugs, I myself am against drugs, including pot.

What I'm saying is, he had the opportunity and the interest to take an hallucinogen, but didn't because someone vehemently advised against it...

How is that different than people not doing _______ because of religion dogma/tribal behavior?

At the end of the day it is you accepting someone else's point of view... not that there's anything wrong with it, after all that's how everything works, from knowledge to behavior to whatever, but how is that that he's ridiculing religion when he himself acts religious toward his beliefs?


The problem is not about what he does or doesn't, I believe anyone should do whatever they please as long as it doesn't affect the next person, my point is his lack of cohesion and honesty in simply understanding that he doesn't know everything. Who knows, ffs?

Example: Why is the idea of god completely ridiculed and the Simulation Theory is not? It doesn't make any sense.
 
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"I don't want you or your family to go away violently, I just want them gone" "I don't want the hobby or occupation you love to go away with violence, I just want it gone"

Religions are a poison
Source? I don't think you can objectively prove that, and while some bad things have been done out of religious zealotry, many great things have been done out of faith. Heck, atheists have done terrible things as well. So how is it a poison?

anybody who seeks the greater good for humanity should be against the teachings that make people think irrationally and value their silly beliefs before the rights and lives of other people.
What? How is faith irrational? How is faith silly and how does it interfere with the rights of others?

You shouldn't teach children that gender is a construct, neither you should teach them that fairy tales are real and are the most important thing ever.
Do you think it is conducive to your argument by labeling religious beliefs as "fairy tales". It just shows immaturity and a lack of understanding and respect of the beliefs of the other person.

Quite the contrary, faith brings despair, terror, irrationality, absolutism and hate into people's lives. Go to any muslim country and see it for yourself.
Are you really using Islamic extremism as an example of the average religious person? Most muslims are not hateful people and neither are people of other faiths.

Faith is something that is generally beneficial to the adherent and society. By placing Something greater above them, there is less focus on the self. This can lead to some generosity and charity for our fellow man. For example, religious people are more often to give to charity than others. Also, faith can give hope in an ultimate justice in a broken world. I personally had to watch as my father succumbed to sickness and pass. My faith gave him and my family strength in this tribulation. Despite being dead, he is not gone.

The more advanced countries in the world are the ones in which religion has been displaced, the more backward ones are those in which religion is everything. Coincidence? I don't think so
What do you mean? This is getting into subjective territory here. What you see as backwards may be seen as forwards to someone else. You need to set an objective basis for your claim and give me something concrete.

They were born without it, they could live a perfect life without knowing the existence of some magic invisible friend, like millions of other people do.
Again, do you think insulting the beliefs of the person you are speaking to will help them to see your side?

Also, there are some things that are indelible and cannot be removed, be it experiences or something else. Catholicism will always be a part of me even if I became an atheist. I have been raised as a catholic and understand our theology and way of life.

Yes, because they are fanatics.
Criticizing someone for making bad arguments against faith doesn't make one a fanatic.

Like for example?

He speaks on St. Thomas Aquinas "five ways" without really understanding it.


He has adressed it plenty of times. There's nothing magic or mysterious about people blindly believing whatever tale they tell themselves to feel better, it's a pretty clear and identified behaviour.
No he doesn't. He rarely if ever addresses the theology of the matter, why people believe these things. He just lumps them into "delusion" without getting into the meat of the matter.

Of course it's true, faith is the antagonist of reason. To have faith is to believe in irrationality.
No. They aren't enemies, science is the how and faith is the why. One can act rationally and have faith, you do realize there are scientists and doctors who are religious, correct? Many scientific discoveries were and are made by people who believe in God.

There's smart people who simply shutdown their beliefs when they are conducting tasks that require to be rational.
Proof? I find it insulting to insinuate that simply because someone may have a religious perspective that they would have to lie to themselves about that in order to complete a rational task.

Dawkins states that religions tend to fanatism, because their teachings are based on irrationality. The less religious a person is, the less chance that person becomes a fanatical.

The less religious people have become, the more have their societies advanced.

Sorry dude, it's maths.
Show me the "maths".

Also, you are being subjective again with advancement and I need an objective standard.
 
I'm pretty anti-religion and I'm fine with Richard Dawkins, but he definitely is one stubborn SOB. But I agree with a lot of his stuff.

But what I took out of this podcast was Joe said he's a hard guy to get on and he was only on for an hour. Less than Bernie Sanders, YOU ARE NOT THAT IMPORTANT RICHARD DAWKINS. You can afford to give Joe 2 hours! :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
I remember Lost was also heavily influenced by religious themes (yeah, I loved Lost).



At first I was team Jack. A true leader, a man of reason that was always disposed to sacrifice himself for the greater good. He was also hansdome and strong, too :messenger_confounded:

Locke was a fanatic. A deluded man who thought he was choosen. He was a broken man, both physically and metaphorically, that's why he embraced faith so desperately and passionately. And that's why he was willing to make sacrifices to the island. The island was everything he had, he was alive there , he had his redemption, his purpose, his paradise.

One of the most beautiful and authentic characters in a tv show ever.

Is anything more beautiful than redemption? Than after a life of hardships and sins, finally, making it to the promised land?







See you in another life, brotha

THE ENDING OF LOST WAS FUCKING BEAUTIFUL, YOU PIECES OF SHIT!!!!

Also, the fater of Jack -Christian Shephard- was very Richard Dawkins in appearence. Coincidence?

I DON'T THINK SO

The Sopranos was also heavy on religious themes and imagery.



This is legit one of the scariest and most outherwordly scene I have ever seen in my life.

"I don't want you or your family to go away violently, I just want them gone"

Sorry man, I just couldn't continue reading after that.
 
Putting religion at the same level of your family, it's just stupid beyond belief (literally).
No it isn't, honestly speaking that is a horrible thing to say. In my times of loneliness and despair I could always count on my Church to get me through. I remember at my Dad's wake my catholic youth group all came to support me and the priest came from my campus. I also was very lonely at university and I could always go and hang out with my catholic friends. The Church is just as important to me as my biological family.
 
How is it not a mythology? There is nothing inherently more believable in the Bible than in Norse mythology or the Illiad.

Where do you draw the line? God is okay, but claim you saw a ghost or an angel and everyone thinks you're a loon.
That's just false, in my opinion. Turning water into wine or walking on water are nothing compared to what is in those texts. Labeling it "mythology" only seeks denouncement and ad-hominem, without any real insight or "proof", only our mere opinions. I definitely disagree that they're unbelievable, because so many "supernatural" things in history have been unbelievable (like how I find polytheism to be unbelievable) but, yes, I do find that Judeo-Christian beliefs aren't "mythology" because at least most of it aligns well with history in my opinion, you may disagree and that's fine, respectfully.

Believing in angels and demons must mean you also believe in any kind of spirit. I'll ask you this too; if you believe in multiple dimensions and universes then how is the notion of the afterlife not believable?

Is it arrogant to claim Greek and Roman deities mythology? How about Celtic and Norse myths? Aztec myths? Native American myths? Berber myths?

The same is true of Abrahamic religions.

All are stories created by struggling human brains to deal with the enormous complexity of reality in a cold and indifferent universe.

People want to believe in a universe that revolves around them. They are temporary beings that want to exist forever and fear erasure.

Believing that you are the chosen creation of some penultimate being with a destiny and that you might live forever is just comforting to many.

Not sure what irony you're trying to point out here, when it's just my opinion. I do believe that I have an arrogant position when I say that polytheistic religions are mythology and not Abrahamic "religions", nor will I argue that it's fair.

What you're implying is that it doesn't take logic nor reason to be spiritual or religious, and that Abrahamic religions have as much going for it as polytheistic religions... and I just don't see how you came to that conclusion. If you ask me, Christianity is the most recent, and it has the advantage when it comes to gathering evidence and observation.

I could just be overreacting to the word "mythology", and find it to be more denouncing than you do.
 
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agnosticism is the only honest position in life

everything else is a delusion

i could take or leave dawkins, was never that impressed by any of his books and he always came across as a derp-a-tron in all his interviews (same with lawrence krauss, criminally
derpy academic)

one has a right to one's personal preferences, you like what you like
 
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Agnosticism is just laziness and cowardice. You're worse than a religious person, at least they take a side, even if it's the wrong & the evil one.

Oh, you can't prove that God exist, but you can't disprove it either. So anything is possible! Aha! Look how superior I am because I don't take any side!
It's the equivalent of "both sides are same; see how evolved I am by being in the middle". It's a false equivalence used to act above the fray. It's an argument tequine and part of a list of logical fallacies used when influencing people who dont have enough information to come to a correct conclusion. These arguments work well and are repeated by poeple who are ignorant on the subject discussed.

Religious text don't currently explain anything, hold no grand truths and are no different than the various stories humans have made up over 10s of thousands of years of civilization. I never understood why Dawkins sounds militant to people when he speaks. He is curt in a British "straight to the point" way but definitely not militant.
 
Religious text don't currently explain anything, hold no grand truths and are no different than the various stories humans have made up over 10s of thousands of years of civilization.
This is objectively false, but go on. Tell me how the Abrahamic scriptures are nothing but made up stories that somehow shaped and arguably created civilized society that we know and take granted of today? Tell me how the 10 Commandments were plagiarized from past civilizations and and tell me how the Torah, Gospel, Psalms, and the Qur'an don't currently explain anything today and hold no grand truths.

The only grand truth you should be privy of is the fact that you're deeply ignorant (compounded ignorance) and arrogant. You will never stumble upon the truth unless you remove those two qualities that you unknowingly possess.

Good luck :)
 
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The thing is even though he might not want some kind of violent and coerced end to religion, he still wants it gone. He wants a way of life and belief to just disappear. Often, faith brings hope, charity, and love into people's lives. They don't hurt anyone with their beliefs and seek to improve themselves and society to get closer to God. To many, faith is a part of them, it isn't something that can simply be "removed". Don't you see why some people may be offended by Dawkins?

He also has made a lot of bad faith arguments against religion, and doesn't really address why people believe the things they believe. He also is under the impression that faith and reason are contradictory rather than complimentary forces, which just isn't true. Many people believe in both science and theology and the two aren't at odds. Dawkins seems to presume that all the religious must be fundamentalists and creationists when that isn't the case.
Keep in mind that in a world where religion was gone, those people who were indoctrinated into their religion since childhood would be long dead. It is a gradual process of secularization. If you need religion to bring charity and love into your life, you are not really a good person. It can bring hope, I suppose

Dawkins is not really concerned with those harmless forms of faith, but religion often comes with nasty side effects where it is used to suppress women's rights, stifle scientific progress, inspire bigotry, sectarian violence, terror attacks, the labeling of little children as "Muslim" or "Christian", abusing them with stories of Hell, etc.

I can absolutely see why some people would be offended, yes. Dawkins is not concerned with what is comforting or polite, only with what is true.

Faith is defined as belief without evidence, so it is by definition contradictory to science. To the extent that people can be both scientists and theologians, which does happen, he attributes that to compartmentalization, where you are an astrophycicist by day, but pray to God at night - different criteria applied to different areas of your life. The former requires a rigorous, evidence-based analysis, the latter is like therapeutic self-suggestion, abandoning your rational faculties. It is not an amalgamation, but a walled co-existence of sorts.

And if you think Dawkins presumes all religious people are fundamentalists and creationists, you have not really studied his position carefully. It does not even need to be a majority to warrant his distaste, though.

I am fine with people disliking Dawkins, but it always seems like they are using strawmen, either out of ignorance, laziness, or bad faith, to exaggerate how horrible he is.
 
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