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2: To tell people that it's best to be abstinent is not abstinence only sex education. I'm fine with kids knowing about condoms, and STD's. I'm also fine with them explaining about "The Pill" as long as they also explain that it's a carcinogen and may cause women to be temporarily attracted to men they will not be attracted to when they are off of it because of the extreme hormone changes. Abstinence only sex education is where they literally don't teach kids about all of the possibilities, I'm not for that. I think kids should be given knowledge of whats out there, but then encouraged to do the morally correct thing.

- These are your exact words" We could solve most of societies problems by getting sex right, that is sex should only happen in the context of marriage. Anything else should be viewed as disgusting and morally wrong." So which is it? You in favor of SEX ED or not?

-"Using the most recent national data (2005) from all U.S. states with information on sex education laws or policies (N = 48), we show that increasing emphasis on abstinence education is positively correlated with teenage pregnancy and birth rates. This trend remains significant after accounting for socioeconomic status, teen educational attainment, ethnic composition of the teen population, and availability of Medicaid waivers for family planning services in each state. These data show clearly that abstinence-only education as a state policy is ineffective in preventing teenage pregnancy and may actually be contributing to the high teenage pregnancy rates in the U.S. In alignment with the new evidence-based Teen Pregnancy Prevention Initiative and the Precaution Adoption Process Model advocated by the National Institutes of Health, we propose the integration of comprehensive sex and STD education into the biology curriculum in middle and high school science classes and a parallel social studies curriculum that addresses risk-aversion behaviors and planning for the future."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194801/

3: Could it be any other way? If you think sex outside of marriage is fine, what possibly could be objectionable about prostitution? Do you object to prostitution? On what grounds?

-Yes and you are simply drawing conclusions out of your ass without providing any proof. I think prostitution should be legal so women who choose to do it will have a safe environment to practice. But I don't believe people should seek out prostitution for sexual gratification.





I don't know anyone who is single that has sex responsibly. If anyone I personally know begins to tell me about their sex life, I start asking questions about their use of birth control. I don't know anyone that uses condoms. The pullout method is very popular. Some women use birth control pills but that changes their hormones and effects who they are attracted to, in addition to it being a class 1 carcinogen. You also won't know if she decides to stop taking the pill because she likes you and wants you to be the father of her children, or if she just plain forgets.


-Just because the people you know are fuck ups dose not mean everyone who engages in pre-marital sex will have damaging relationships and kids.

 

[Jon Neu]

Masturbating to pornography cheapens sex. We should strive not to want to use other people's bodies for pleasure, but have an authentic relationship with them. Viewing pornography is detrimental to that. It helps us see people as objects rather than individuals deserving of love and affection. I believe most societal problems could be solved if people only had sex inside of marriage, and if we stopped letting people get divorced all willy nilly. I have come to this belief after careful study during my 7 years of being atheist/agnostic, having watched hundreds of hours of pro-atheist content like the atheist experience and listening to various atheist podcasts, and having watched all of Richard Dawkins documentaries that he was in, and reading most of his books.


People should not be comodifying their bodies like is done in pornography, and we should not be paying for them to do so, and we should not feel good about consuming that content if we do. The closest and most vulnerable physically, emotionally, and in any other way we can be is when we are in a sexual embrace. For people to treat that as something that is bought and paid for like groceries or cars is disgusting. We could solve most of societies problems by getting sex right, that is sex should only happen in the context of marriage. Anything else should be viewed as disgusting and morally wrong. It all starts with masturbation. If you can get people to view sex differently, you can change the world for the better, you can fix most of the problems we have.


Most of our problems are caused by bad relationships, that is people using sex for pleasure with people they don't otherwise like except that they can use them the way they would use a sex doll, and while not meaning to do so they bring new life into this world with someone they don't want to be with. You get people to stop doing this, you stop there from being a lot of unwanted kids and broken meaningless relationships, you save the world.

 

[Jon Neu]

Romans don't have Gods, bruh. Which Greek God got recycled?

You mean like when jews, christians and muslims recycled other religions and deities to make their own?

 

[Jon Neu]

do you have EVIDENCE that people lose rational thinking when looking at the supernatural or vice versa

The fact that you believe blindly in irrational, illogical and literal magic fairy tales is the evidence in itself.

 

[strange headache]

Which implies that religious people do not think critically of their faith.

You're unable to think critically of your faith because it is by definition a dogmatic approach. Sure, you can criticize certain unimportant aspects of it, but you cannot put into question the existence of god and the validity of your religion itself. Jon Neu described this very aptly when he used the notion of compartimentalization.

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

There's nothing wrong with that description. Even Christians recognize this, hence why they paint a totally different picture of their god in the new testament.

! Don't you dare invoke that voodoo spiritual witchcraft amongst the towering intellect of these atheist philosophers!

You don't need a towering intellect to know that there is simply no evidence for the existence of god. It's always the same with you religious types, you keep whining about militant atheists but as soon as you're confronted with some serious arguments, you just keep belittling somebody's intellect. Being smart and intelligent about something is not hubris, this is merely your own insecurity reflecting on others.

Does scientific truth necessarily make mankind better?

Yes.

I would say that for people to really have a better world, we need to both ignore some scientific truths and also refuse to do certain things even though it would be scientifical.
There are a ton of things that have made things way worse for people because there were people who used scientific methods to do heinous things.

Abusing scientific knowledge to to evil things has nothing to do with the scientific method.

Masturbating to pornography cheapens sex. We should strive not to want to use other people's bodies for pleasure, but have an authentic relationship with them.

Humans are sexual beings, there's nothing wrong with lusting after another person's body. The popular tits & ass threads in off-topic should be evidence for that.

As for masturbation, aside of my previous arguments, how many women in porn are sex trafficked?

How many priests are child abusers?

 

[Ornlu]

You mean like when jews, christians and muslims recycled other religions and deities to make their own?

Sure! The Romans were pretty blatant with it.

You don't need a towering intellect to know that there is simply no evidence for the existence of god. It's always the same with you religious types, you keep whining about militant atheists but as soon as you're confronted with some serious arguments, you just keep belittling somebody's intellect. Being smart and intelligent about something is not hubris, this is merely your own insecurity reflecting on others.

What serious arguments am I confronted with? Take the projection down a notch; I just made a snarky joke about an atheist wishing someone good fortune.

 

[strange headache]

I just made a snarky joke about an atheist wishing someone good fortune.

Yes because "snarky jokes" is all you have apparently.

 

[Ornlu]

Yes because "snarky jokes" is all you have apparently.

Why engage beyond that with someone who wants to argue in bad faith? There's nothing to be gained by banging my head against a wall.

 

[Jon Neu]

Why engage beyond that with someone who wants to argue in bad faith? There's nothing to be gained by banging my head against a wall.

Actually, banging your head against a wall is precisely what you get when you argue with people with that magical notion called faith.

You rarely gain anything by arguing with people who are proud of being irrational and illogical for the sake of them showing how much faith they have.

 

[Thurible]

The fact that you believe blindly in irrational, illogical and literal magic fairy tales is the evidence in itself.

Again, how is mocking the beliefs of the person you are arguing with conducive to the conversation? Like I said before, it only shows immaturity and a lack of respect and understanding for the other person. Take a second and try to see from their perspective. You don't have to believe what they are saying but politely tell them where you think they are wrong. Debate can only happen if the parties involve are willing to respect each other.

I also don't blindly believe. I question my faith and I try to make strides towards understanding it better. If there is something unusual or wrong with what I believe it warrants further investigation and reflection. I also think the existence of God is more likely than the non-existence of Him due to the causal nature of the universe.

You rarely gain anything by arguing with people who are proud of being irrational and illogical for the sake of them showing how much faith they have.

If I called you "irrational and illogical" for not believing in God would you take that in good faith? Atheism is like believing in fairy tales or magic, things just happen for no rhyme nor reason. Do these statements show respect?

 

[Taxexemption]

You're unable to think critically of your faith because it is by definition a dogmatic approach. Sure, you can criticize certain unimportant aspects of it, but you cannot put into question the existence of god and the validity of your religion itself. Jon Neu described this very aptly when he used the notion of compartimentalization.



There's nothing wrong with that description. Even Christians recognize this, hence why they paint a totally different picture of their god in the new testament.



You don't need a towering intellect to know that there is simply no evidence for the existence of god. It's always the same with you religious types, you keep whining about militant atheists but as soon as you're confronted with some serious arguments, you just keep belittling somebody's intellect. Being smart and intelligent about something is not hubris, this is merely your own insecurity reflecting on others.



Yes.



Abusing scientific knowledge to to evil things has nothing to do with the scientific method.



Humans are sexual beings, there's nothing wrong with lusting after another person's body. The popular tits & ass threads in off-topic should be evidence for that.



How many priests are child abusers?

Has Media Ignored Sex Abuse In School?

<b>NRO</b>: Why Haven't Teachers Received Same Scrutiny As Catholic Priests?

www.cbsnews.com

Although it's hard to collect data about sexual assault rates, as many victims do not speak out, there is some evidence that it happens more in secular institutions including public schools. The fact that some people in an organization do horrible things is not evidence that the organization itself is bad. Or should we ban public schools to save the children?

 

[Tesseract]

ah yes house md, a character so absolutely obsessed with death and the great unknown that he suicided himself for a glimpse of the other side (such as it is)

much rationals, many logics

 

[Halo is Back]

Has Media Ignored Sex Abuse In School?

<b>NRO</b>: Why Haven't Teachers Received Same Scrutiny As Catholic Priests?

www.cbsnews.com

Although it's hard to collect data about sexual assault rates, as many victims do not speak out, there is some evidence that it happens more in secular institutions including public schools. The fact that some people in an organization do horrible things is not evidence that the organization itself is bad. Or should we ban public schools to save the children?

He dose bring up a good point though. If you blame porn and pre-marital sex then how do you explain the people who are supposed to be closest to god molesting young children at an alarming numbers?

 

[Thurible]

He dose bring up a good point though. If you blame porn and pre-marital sex then how do you explain the people who are supposed to be closest to god molesting young children at an alarming numbers?

Statistically speaking, about 4-7% of priests and other catholic clergy members have been accused of sexual abuse. These are not small numbers but the average priest is likely not going to be a threat. Also, as T Taxexemption pointed out, secular institutions have been having similar problems, sometimes with worse abuse rates. The truth of the matter is priests are human beings that are just as susceptible to getting corrupt people on board like any other organization.

Also, the morality of an action isn't decided by priests. Even if all the priests in the world decided porn and pre-marital relations are ok (which wouldn't happen) it wouldn't change the nature of the act and wouldn't invalidate Tax's claims on the subject.

 

[Halo is Back]

Statistically speaking, about 4-7% of priests and other catholic clergy members have been accused of sexual abuse. These are not small numbers but the average priest is likely not going to be a threat. Also, as T Taxexemption pointed out, secular institutions have been having similar problems, sometimes with worse abuse rates. The truth of the matter is priests are human beings that are just as susceptible to getting corrupt people on board like any other organization.

Also, the morality of an action isn't decided by priests. Even if all the priests in the world decided porn and pre-marital relations are ok (which wouldn't happen) it wouldn't change the nature of the act and wouldn't invalidate Tax's claims on the subject.

You are not actually answering the question. If he believes that porn and pre-marital sex are cause for ALL of the evils in the world then why do people who hold the same values as him rape children? Sure you can say "all people are capable of evil" but that goes against what he believes, aka porn and sex is the direct and only cause.

 

[Halo is Back]

Statistically speaking, about 4-7% of priests and other catholic clergy members have been accused of sexual abuse. These are not small numbers but the average priest is likely not going to be a threat. Also, as T Taxexemption pointed out, secular institutions have been having similar problems, sometimes with worse abuse rates. The truth of the matter is priests are human beings that are just as susceptible to getting corrupt people on board like any other organization.

Also, the morality of an action isn't decided by priests. Even if all the priests in the world decided porn and pre-marital relations are ok (which wouldn't happen) it wouldn't change the nature of the act and wouldn't invalidate Tax's claims on the subject.

Im simply trying to point out that his insane belief that porn and pre-marital sex is the cause of all if not most of the problems of the world is laughable. There are so many other facts contributing to corrupting people and so many other problems we face as a society that has nothing to do with sex

 

[Tesseract]

i bet the pope is getting his dick sucked right now

let's be real

 

[Halo is Back]

i bet the pope is getting his dick sucked right now

let's be real

gay pope 2020

 

[Jon Neu]

Again, how is mocking the beliefs of the person you are arguing with conducive to the conversation? Like I said before, it only shows immaturity and a lack of respect and understanding for the other person. Take a second and try to see from their perspective. You don't have to believe what they are saying but politely tell them where you think they are wrong. Debate can only happen if the parties involve are willing to respect each other.

There isn't nothing to debate, really. People are still going to believe in made up fairy tales because that's how they have been culturally conditioned to. Lucky for humanity, religions are becoming less and less important, at least in the west.

And I don't respect religions, I respect people.

I also don't blindly believe.

Yes you do, otherwise you wouldn't believe in fairy tales without any shred of logic, neither evidence.

You can tell yourself that you are doing reflection on your faith, but that's just bullshit religious people have invented to give some dramatism and fake deeper meaning to their faith. To try to not look like what they really are: blind fanatics.

With everything faith related, it all comes to how hard you convince yourself because then you would really look sincere. So acting the tale of some arduous internal struggle gives more weight to the marvelous faith you have.

You could also fake being cured by some Pastor, or have lived a miracle, or have talked with God. As with your religion, you don't need any evidence, so you are free to invent whatever you want!

If I called you "irrational and illogical" for not believing in God would you take that in good faith? Atheism is like believing in fairy tales or magic, things just happen for no rhyme nor reason. Do these statements show respect?

They make no sense, simply.

Atheism is believing in logic, reason, facts and provable things. Religion is the opposite.

I'm just stating facts.

 

[Halo is Back]

Let me ask you something T Taxexemption . How am I, (a person who has been in 4 pre-marital sexual relationships) am I capable of doing good things like volunteering for my local community? For example, last year I volunteered for a program called "The Big Buddy Program" where I befriended a minority child to be a positive role model in his life. Also, this winter I am volunteering for a local animal shelter to foster and care for animals so that they can be put up for adoption. By your standards I am a bad immoral person who is contributing to the degradation of society.

 

[Thurible]

If he believes that porn and pre-marital sex are cause for ALL of the evils in the world

I don't believe he ever said that, but I don't want to put words into another person's mouth. I think you are conflating this statement -

I believe most societal problems could be solved if people only had sex inside of marriage, and if we stopped letting people get divorced all willy nilly.

as him saying that all problems are caused by fornication.

why do people who hold the same values as him rape children?

There are evil people everywhere even in holy institutions. That doesn't mean the institution itself or what it stands for is wrong, otherwise every single group on earth cannot be trusted.

Sure you can say "all people are capable of evil" but that goes against what he believes, aka porn and sex is the direct and only cause.

I don't think he said that.

Im simply trying to point out that his insane belief that porn and pre-marital sex is the cause of all if not most of the problems of the world is laughable.

He's saying many problems are caused by sexual immorality, not necessarily all of them. It's true, many horrible things have happened due to fornication. Half of marriages these days end in divorce and many children are born illegitimately and grow up in broken homes, those are real problems you can argue comes from sexual liberalization.

There are so many other facts contributing to corrupting people and so many other problems we face as a society than has nothing to do with sex

Yes, there are other problems that don't have to do with sex, but that doesn't invalidate his points on it.

 

[Tesseract]

that's basically the way i live my life, trust no groups ever under any circumstances

 

[Jon Neu]

ah yes house md, a character so absolutely obsessed with death and the great unknown that he suicided himself for a glimpse of the other side (such as it is)

much rationals, many logics

He was obsessed with the truth, with unravelling the enigma like the literary character he was paying an homage to. It was his way of being respected and accepted, other people retort to invisible friends to give meaning to their lives.

And he was also a character of a TV series in which some bombastic shit happened every week.

 

[Halo is Back]

I don't believe he ever said that, but I don't want to put words into another person's mouth. I think you are conflating this statement -



as him saying that all problems are caused by fornication.


There are evil people everywhere even in holy institutions. That doesn't mean the institution itself or what it stands for is wrong, otherwise every single group on earth cannot be trusted.


I don't think he said that.


He's saying many problems are caused by sexual immorality, not necessarily all of them. It's true, many horrible things have happened due to fornication. Half of marriages these days end in divorce and many children are born illegitimately and grow up in broken homes, those are real problems you can argue comes from sexual liberalization.

"Im simply trying to point out that his insane belief that porn and pre-marital sex is the cause of all if not most of the problems of the world"

1. These are his exact words "I believe most societal problems could be solved if people only had sex inside of marriage, and if we stopped letting people get divorced all willy nilly."

2. I pointed out earlier you are simply wrong and provided evidence from the government that abstinence education before marriages leads to a strong positive correlation to a rise in teenage pregnancies.

3. I never said the church was only capable of raping children and should be banned that is silly.

 

[Thurible]

There isn't nothing to debate, really. People are still going to believe in made up fairy tales because that's how they have been culturally conditioned to. Lucky for humanity, religions are becoming less and less important, at least in the west.

There are many philosophical reasons the existence or non-existence of God. Believing in God isn't stupid, denigating other people's believe systems through mockery is however.

And I don't respect religions, I respect people.

Religions are made up of people and are a part of their lives.

Yes you do, otherwise you wouldn't believe in fairy tales without any shred of logic, neither evidence.

No I don't. I believe not because I am told to, but rather because I understand there is a cause for everything and that their would be an infinite regress otherwise. The way matter works doesn't make sense if it came from a finite source, things are in a state of flux and energy is constantly being exchanged but is not in a state of equilibrium. I look at the laws of mass conservation and thermodynamics and see that as reasons for God.

I'm going to have to cut this short right now as I am going to go to confession. I'll come back later.

 

[Thurible]

1. These are his exact words "I believe most societal problems could be solved if people only had sex inside of marriage, and if we stopped letting people get divorced all willy nilly."

2. I pointed out earlier you are simply wrong and provided evidence from the government that abstinence education before marriages leads to a strong positive correlation to a rise in teenage pregnancies.

3. I never said the church was only capable of raping children and should be banned that is silly.

I never argued that you said that the church rapes kids and should be banned, and the example you used to say that he meant ALL problems are caused by pre-marital sex is the one I used to show he DIDN'T mean that as he just said MOST of societies problems.

Like with Jon I have to go for now, ttfn.

 

[Halo is Back]

There are many philosophical reasons the existence or non-existence of God. Believing in God isn't stupid, denigating other people's believe systems through mockery is however.


Religions are made up of people and are a part of their lives.


No I don't. I believe not because I am told to, but rather because I understand there is a cause for everything and that their would be an infinite regress otherwise. The way matter works doesn't make sense if it came from a finite source, things are in a state of flux and energy is constantly being exchanged but is not in a state of equilibrium. I look at the laws of mass conservation and thermodynamics and see that as reasons for God.

I'm going to have to cut this short right now as I am going to go to confession. I'll come back later.

But who created GOD??? If you say that "well he was always there" then your criticism of the Big Bang Theory is moot. Also I LOVE the creating by intelligent design argument. Would you not argue god is complex and intelligent? If god is intelligent then who designed him????

 

[Halo is Back]

I never argued that you said that the church rapes kids and should be banned, and the example you used to say that he meant ALL problems are caused by pre-marital sex is the one I used to show he DIDN'T mean that as he just said MOST of societies problems.

Like with Jon I have to go for now, ttfn.

Which is why I pointed out "IF NOT MOST OF THE PROBLEMS", even then that is a laughable argument. Plenty of "good" people get divorced and have unexpected early children

 

[Jon Neu]

Believing in God isn't stupid

Yes, it absolutely is.

denigating other people's believe systems through mockery is however.

When their believe systems are stupid and evil, there's nothing wrong with mocking them.

Religions are made up of people and are a part of their lives.

Like their favourite anime.

I believe not because I am told to

Yes you do. If you weren't told about Jesus, you would not believe in him. And you wouldn't have reached the conclusion of a God named Jesus must exist with that pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo, because you wouldn't have the need to invent a magical figure to explain everything that you can't explain.

I'm going to have to cut this short right now as I am going to go to confession. I'll come back later.

Funny how religious people have the need to tell the world they are religious.

 

[Halo is Back]

Yes, it absolutely is.



When their believe systems are stupid and evil, there's nothing wrong with mocking them.



Like their favourite anime.



Yes you do. If you weren't told about Jesus, you would not believe in him. And you wouldn't have reached the conclusion of a God named Jesus must exist with that pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo, because you wouldn't have the need to invent a magical figure to explain everything that you can't explain.



Funny how religious people have the need to tell the world they are religious.

You aren't doing atheist any favors by calling religious people "stupid". I have met many intelligent religions folks in my life and I encourage you to talk to them instead of insulting them simply because of their religious belief. There are many reasons people turn to religion. Comfort of death, indoctrination of family, friends, and church, people just wanting to be apart of something bigger in their lives when they have no where else to go. Not believing in god is not the only prerequisite to being intelligent.

 

[Taxexemption]

"Im simply trying to point out that his insane belief that porn and pre-marital sex is the cause of all if not most of the problems of the world"

1. These are his exact words "I believe most societal problems could be solved if people only had sex inside of marriage, and if we stopped letting people get divorced all willy nilly."

2. I pointed out earlier you are simply wrong and provided evidence from the government that abstinence education before marriages leads to a strong positive correlation to a rise in teenage pregnancies.

3. I never said the church was only capable of raping children and should be banned that is silly.

Most of societies problems are caused by people who are hurting emotionally. They are this way I believe in most cases, because they were not raised in a loving relationship by two parents who intended to raise children. Happy healthy people raised by two parents that love them are not the people causing most of the problems that exist in our society, that would be broken people raised by 1 parent, no parent, or a couple where at least one if not both of them are bitter because they had no intention of having kids and are wondering what their life would be like if they had made different choices.


For troubled people, a love of it begins in their childhood, and the lack of love/acceptance/guidance they got from their parents, or even worse from bitterness that was passed down from their parents who wished they made life choices that would not have included raising them.


We need people to understand that sex is an act that has moral implications. Many people cause pregnancies when that is not their intention, with people they would never want to have kids with, because they are treating the person they are having sex with along with the act itself as a type of entertainment, when they should be treating it as something much more. If you have sex you may cause pregnancy, the circumstances that you do this under while knowing this are extremely important in determining whether this could be considered a moral act.

 

[Halo is Back]

Most of societies problems are caused by people who are hurting emotionally. They are this way I believe in most cases, because they were not raised in a loving relationship by two parents who intended to raise children. Happy healthy people raised by two parents that love them are not the people causing most of the problems that exist in our society, that would be broken people raised by 1 parent, no parent, or a couple where at least one if not both of them are bitter because they had no intention of having kids and are wondering what their life would be like if they had made different choices.


For troubled people, a love of it begins in their childhood, and the lack of love/acceptance/guidance they got from their parents, or even worse from bitterness that was passed down from their parents who wished they made life choices that would not have included raising them.


We need people to understand that sex is an act that has more implications. Many people cause pregnancies when that is not their intention, with people they would never want to have kids with, because they are treating the person they are having sex with along with the act itself as a type of entertainment, when they should be treating it as something much more. If you have sex you may cause pregnancy, the circumstances that you do this under while knowing this are extremely important in determining whether this could be considered a moral act.

Your problems all solved but simply practicing safe sex. There are so many ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies now if you get someone pregnant it's your own damn fault. But sadly we can't make everyone responsible

 

[Taxexemption]

Your problems all solved but simply practicing safe sex. There are so many ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies now if you get someone pregnant it's your own damn fault. But sadly we can't make everyone responsible

I think we would be better served by a culture that put things in proper context. Hormonal birth control changes who women are attracted to, which is likely the result of many failed marriages, in addition to it being a class 1 carcinogen. As a man you don't necessarily know whether your partner is actually using hormonal birth control, or doing it correctly. Pretty much your only option is condoms. I don't think you are seriously going to convince anyone who isn't already using condoms to start using them.


If it's the case that the more sexual partners you have the less likely your eventual marriage will succeed, by having multiple sexual partners you are making the world a worse place by increasing the chances that marriages will fail and result in broken families.

 

[Halo is Back]

I think we would be better served by a culture that put things in proper context. Hormonal birth control changes who women are attracted to, which is likely the result of many failed marriages, in addition to it being a class 1 carcinogen. As a man you don't necessarily know whether your partner is actually using hormonal birth control, or doing it correctly. Pretty much your only option is condoms. I don't think you are seriously going to convince anyone who isn't already using condoms to start using them.


If it's the case that the more sexual partners you have the less likely your eventual marriage will succeed, by having multiple sexual partners you are making the world a worse place by increasing the chances that marriages will fail and result in broken families.

Let me ask you this have you ever actually been in a relationship for at least one year?

 

[Taxexemption]

Let me ask you this have you ever actually been in a relationship for at least one year?

Ideas should stand on their own merit and be based on logical reasoning and or observation. I don't put a timer on it every time I start dating someone. I would say maybe once, but not for much more than a year.

 

[Halo is Back]

I think we would be better served by a culture that put things in proper context. Hormonal birth control changes who women are attracted to, which is likely the result of many failed marriages, in addition to it being a class 1 carcinogen. As a man you don't necessarily know whether your partner is actually using hormonal birth control, or doing it correctly. Pretty much your only option is condoms. I don't think you are seriously going to convince anyone who isn't already using condoms to start using them.


If it's the case that the more sexual partners you have the less likely your eventual marriage will succeed, by having multiple sexual partners you are making the world a worse place by increasing the chances that marriages will fail and result in broken families.

Yes and you sure as hell ain't gonna convince people to wait for marriage that is even more unrealistic. You are also putting way to much emphasis on birth control. Women are not controlled by the pill if she dose not like you she won't have sex with you. Now if you were taking about alcohol then you would have an argument

 

[Halo is Back]

Ideas should stand on their own merit and be based on logical reasoning and or observation. I don't put a timer on it every time I start dating someone. I would say maybe once, but not for much more than a year.

Look bro I'm not trying to be mean to you but you have absolutely NO right telling people how to have a successful relationship when you yourself have not had one in the 30 years of your life or even had sex calling people immoral and telling them that their marriage is likey to fail only on two variables. There is SO MUCH more that goes into maintaining a successful relationship than simply fucking other people prior. You have let you own biased observations warped your perception of what a relationship is. You can pout about all of your little "observations" all you want. It doesn't matter how much I observe and research a master swordsman If I never had any experience in a sword fight I would get demolished. I hope one day you will find a wife.

 

[Taxexemption]

Look bro I'm not trying to be mean to you but you have absolutely NO right telling people how to have a successful relationship when you yourself have not had one in the 30 years of your life or even had sex calling people immoral and telling them that their marriage is likey to fail only on two variables. There is SO MUCH more that goes into maintaining a successful relationship than simply fucking other people prior. You have let you own biased observations warped your perception of what a relationship is. You can pout about all of your little "observations" all you want. It doesn't matter how much I observe and research a master swordsman If I never had any experience in a sword fight I would get demolished. I hope one day you will find a wife.

A lot of my beliefs are not just my own observations, but come from studies that have been done on marriage success rates. I grew up poor in a dysfunctional family, I realistically had very little time until recently to do things like dating, because my life circumstances pretty much insured that I would be living basically in poverty until about the last year. I've been of the mentality that if I could not reasonably afford to have a family, I shouldn't, and for that reason I've not pursued relationships for the most part.

 

[Thurible]

Yes, it absolutely is.

Care to expunge? I don't see why believing in a Creator is stupid. You should read more philosophic and theological literature if you want to understand why some people reason there is a God.

When their believe systems are stupid and evil, there's nothing wrong with mocking them.

1) It's not stupid.

2) I find it interesting that you use an absolute moral judgement on something despite being an atheist. Calling something "evil" implies there is a moral framework that exists independently of mankind.

Also, you aren't evil if you pray or go to church. If anything you are trying to better yourself and your community by doing so.

Like their favourite anime.

Would people die for their favorite anime? Faith runs deep and is a part of many people, it is like an ideal you could compare to that of justice.

Yes you do.

You are literally telling me what I believe and how I think when I am telling you I operate on both faith and reason. When it comes to me I am the most trustworthy source, not you!

If you weren't told about Jesus, you would not believe in him. And you wouldn't have reached the conclusion of a God named Jesus must exist with that pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo, because you wouldn't have the need to invent a magical figure to explain everything that you can't explain.

If I was not born and raised catholic things may have been different, but I honestly believe I would still reason there is a God.

I also don't use God to explain what I don't understand. Everything has a rational explanation. If I hear of a miracle I immediately doubt it, this is a world of logic after all.

Also, I told you I was going to confession because I thought it related kind of ironically. Most people probably don't bring up their faith in public.

You need to be more civil if you wish to talk to me. You are sounding like a horse's butt. Be respectful of others.

 

[Thurible]

But who created GOD??? If you say that "well he was always there" then your criticism of the Big Bang Theory is moot. Also I LOVE the creating by intelligent design argument. Would you not argue god is complex and intelligent? If god is intelligent then who designed him????

I didn't criticize the big bang, in fact I subscribe to that theory.

It is my understanding that there had to be a first cause that existed outside of the current time space continuum, as anything inside of it would be subject to it. I believe God has to be infinite and without cause essentially. There is no before or after Him. This is just one solution to infinite regress, so you can argue against God as the first cause.

 

[Thurible]

Which is why I pointed out "IF NOT MOST OF THE PROBLEMS", even then that is a laughable argument. Plenty of "good" people get divorced and have unexpected early children

I don't think he believes everyone who participates in premarital relations is evil, just that the action itself is detrimental to society.

 

[Jon Neu]

You aren't doing atheist any favors by calling religious people "stupid".

I haven't called anybody stupid, I said that religions are stupid and that you have to compartmentalize to believe in such irrational, illogical & stupid things. Please, actually read carefully so we can all save the time of explaining things that are already explained.

Care to expunge? I don't see why believing in a Creator is stupid. You should read more philosophic and theological literature if you want to understand why some people reason there is a God.

There's literature about everything, that doesn't mean isn't stupid.

I understand perfectly why some people have the need to create a God, especially in times in which everything was yet to be discovered and people didn't know how the world worked. That's when religions started and filled the holes.

1) It's not stupid.

It's irrational, illogical and extremely contradictory and based on factual lies & fairy tales.

The definition of stupid and whacky bullshit.

2) I find it interesting that you use an absolute moral judgement on something despite being an atheist. Calling something "evil" implies there is a moral framework that exists independently of mankind.

Wait, are you going to try and argue that religion has a monopoly on morality? I don't need the invention of a magical zombie jew to have morals. Empathy and plenty of other evolutive traits that explain the capacity and need for morals are much more older than any religion.

Also, you aren't evil if you pray or go to church. If anything you are trying to better yourself and your community by doing so.

The people who throw gays out of buildings pray and go to church everyday too.

That's what happens when you are capable of supressing rationality and logic in the name of your faith and you put your faith above everything else.

Would people die for their favorite anime? Faith runs deep and is a part of many people, it is like an ideal you could compare to that of justice.

No, because people are not irrational fanatics disposed to do anything for their prefered anime.

When you are capable of dying for your faith, that means you are also capable of killing and be a tyrant for your faith. Therefore you are evil.

You are literally telling me what I believe and how I think when I am telling you I operate on both faith and reason. When it comes to me I am the most trustworthy source, not you!

I'm literally telling you that you believe in God because other people told you so. I mean, maybe you have created the first religion ever and I'm not aware, but I'm pretty much sure you didn't. So everything you think about your God, is because you were educated into it.

And no, sorry, religion is the antithesis of reason.

If I was not born and raised catholic things may have been different, but I honestly believe I would still reason there is a God.

If there wasn't for religions, you wouldn't. Because at the end of the day, that's what religions are: fairy tales.

If The Three Little Pigs tale wasn't invented, you wouldn't know about it.

I also don't use God to explain what I don't understand.

You literally have said the universe must have been invented by God because you can't explain it's creation otherwise.

Also, I told you I was going to confession because I thought it related kind of ironically. Most people probably don't bring up their faith in public.

Quite the contrary, religious people have the need to make themselves and their religion be noticed. Look at your avatar.

You need to be more civil if you wish to talk to me. You are sounding like a horse's butt. Be respectful of others.

If you expect me to respect your fairy tales because they are so precious to you, I have bad news for you.

 

[Thurible]

I haven't called anybody stupid, I said that religions are stupid and that you have to compartmentalize to believe in such irrational, illogical & stupid things. Please, actually read carefully so we can all save the time of explaining things that are already explained.



There's literature about everything, that doesn't mean isn't stupid.

I understand perfectly why some people have the need to create a God, especially in times in which everything was yet to be discovered and people didn't know how the world worked. That's when religions started and filled the holes.



It's irrational, illogical and extremely contradictory and based on factual lies & fairy tales.

The definition of stupid and whacky bullshit.



Wait, are you going to try and argue that religion has a monopoly on morality? I don't need the invention of a magical zombie jew to have morals. Empathy and plenty of other evolutive traits that explain the capacity and need for morals are much more older than any religion.



The people who throw gays out of buildings pray and go to church everyday too.

That's what happens when you are capable of supressing rationality and logic in the name of your faith and you put your faith above everything else.



No, because people are not irrational fanatics disposed to do anything for their prefered anime.

When you are capable of dying for your faith, that means you are also capable of killing and be a tyrant for your faith. Therefore you are evil.



I'm literally telling you that you believe in God because other people told you so. I mean, maybe you have created the first religion ever and I'm not aware, but I'm pretty much sure you didn't. So everything you think about your God, is because you were educated into it.

And no, sorry, religion is the antithesis of reason.



If there wasn't religions, you wouldn't. Because at the end of the day, that's what religions are: fairy tales.

If The Three Little Pigs tale wasn't invented, you wouldn't know about it.



You literally have said the universe must have been invented by God because you can't explain it's creation otherwise.



Quite the contrary, religious people have the need to make themselves and their religion be noticed. Look at your avatar.



If you expect me to respect your fairy tales because they are so precious to you, I have bad news for you.

Ok wow. Why.... What.....?

If you behave in real life like you do online right now you are going to have a hard time speaking to other people in general. You have repeatedly shown immaturity on this subject and bullheadedness. I need to stop this conversation right here before I get upset. If you ever decide to respect other people and their faiths I will be willing to converse again, but for now I will have stop this. I wish you a good day and God bless.

 

[Jon Neu]

If you behave in real life like you do online right now you are going to have a hard time speaking to other people in general.

I have a hard time speaking with ultra religious people, that's true. They don't take too well that I dare to critizice their religions and call them for what they objectively are.

But that's what happens when you argue with people who value their religion more than anything else.

I guess I'm a blasphemer!

If you ever decide to respect other people and their faiths

I respect people, I don't respect their religion of choice.

It's not my fault you conflate one with the other.

I wish you a good day and God bless.

Funny, I think that's more disrespectful than anything I said. Like when people tells you "I'm gonna pray for you". They're so obsessed that everything has to be about them and how religious they are. They have to put their religion on everything.

Save your fairy tales for yourself, please.

 

[Ornlu]

Funny, I think that's more disrespectful than anything I said. Like when people tells you "I'm gonna pray for you". They're so obsessed that everything has to be about them and how religious they are. They have to put their religion on everything.

Save your fairy tales for yourself, please.

Again, you wished someone good fortune earlier; by your own logic this is the equivalent of saying "God bless you", or making the sign of the cross. So what makes it different when you are the one using the supernatural to wish someone well, as opposed to someone you believe to be a drooling religious moron?

 

[Jon Neu]

Again, you wished someone good fortune earlier

No, I didn't.

And even if I did, that's just an expression that is part of the normal everyday language and that practically nobody associates with religion.

There's plenty of expressions and words that have religious roots and I don't care.

 

[Ornlu]

No, I didn't.

And even if I did, that's just an expression that is part of the normal everyday language and that practically nobody associates with religion.

There's plenty of expressions and words that have religious roots and I don't care.

Dawkins bless thee, Comrade.

 

[Jon Neu]

Dawkins bless thee, Comrade.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

Spoiler

 

[Ornlu]

Coincidence? I don't think so.

Spoiler

Gender Relativism

 

[Bolivar687]

And how is that working out so far?

The majority of us alive today follow in the footsteps of Abraham's faith. Much like Abraham and Joseph, the Jewish people still perform important work throughout the nations and have contributed considerably to their respective cultures.