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Ridley327 said:
For Neversoft's sake, it better not be a new IP since Activision's recent track record would suggest that they'd be liquidated shortly after its release.

RIP Radical and (coming soon) Raven.
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:(
 
McBradders said:
It's GUN 2: Tumbleweed Boogaloo. Mark my words, disbelievers. MARK. MY. WORDS.

Please be GUN 2 :(
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Now would be a good time for it. Everyone is hyped up on Read Dead Redemption, bring in another western game...
I can only hope.
 
I'm sure no one cares, but my Walmart is selling RB1 drums for $9.

Just thought I would pass the information along in case anyone was in dire need for a replacement set.
 
storybook77 said:
Agree. The Dookie songs while enjoyable weren't really challenging. Haven't done the 21st Cen stuff yet but the American Idiot "show" is a lot more challenging. I almost failed out on the solo to Hitchin' a Ride. (Hard)
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Whew! I'm glad I'm not the only one with troubles on that song. It threw me for a loop.

I noticed that some of the songs aren't rated correctly though. I could easily 5 star top tier songs but mid tier songs were much harder. Is that just my random thinking on GD:RB or has anyone else noticed this?
 
aristotle said:
Whew! I'm glad I'm not the only one with troubles on that song. It threw me for a loop.

I noticed that some of the songs aren't rated correctly though. I could easily 5 star top tier songs but mid tier songs were much harder. Is that just my random thinking on GD:RB or has anyone else noticed this?
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I think the songs which have a bunch of chord changes, but no solos, are rated lower but are actually more difficult to keep a combo through the songs. So that's probably why you cannot 5 star them.
 
Space Cadet said:
I think the songs which have a bunch of chord changes, but no solos, are rated lower but are actually more difficult to keep a combo through the songs. So that's probably why you cannot 5 star them.
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That's odd. All this time I thought the tiers were based on actual difficulty and not something like a solo (which are extremely easy in all the songs I played last night; which isn't all of them of course).
 
aristotle said:
That's odd. All this time I thought the tiers were based on actual difficulty and not something like a solo (which are extremely easy in all the songs I played last night; which isn't all of them of course).
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That was complete speculation on my part, as it's just something I have noticed while playing. Certain chords/changes are more difficult than others, too. Shag, AMUSIX, csb, Dave, Charron, etc. will probably have a better understanding of the tiering (Charron, especially). What say you, fellas?
 
Space Cadet said:
I think the songs which have a bunch of chord changes, but no solos, are rated lower but are actually more difficult to keep a combo through the songs. So that's probably why you cannot 5 star them.
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Yes, some of the quick chord changes threw me off on the first go around plus the fact that you are pretty much strumming all the time on some of the songs. I think the songs are tiered towards full band difficulty. This game is much more challenging on guitar than The Beatles. (duh!) I've enjoyed it so far although the presentation is not as good as TB:RB. Love the outdoor stadium/ampitheatre type environment though with all of the stage effects.

I'd love to see the ability to customize your sets at the different venues with stage lighting, fire, sparks, etc....depending on your following, if you have roadies, and how much money you have.
 
Space Cadet said:
That was complete speculation on my part, as it's just something I have noticed while playing. Certain chords/changes are more difficult than others, too. Shag, AMUSIX, csb, Dave, Charron, etc. will probably have a better understanding of the tiering (Charron, especially). What say you, fellas?
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That does make sense. Hitchin' a Ride was non-stop chords, but I think it was ranked 3nd-tier. (4?). Then I went on to 5 star all the 5th tier songs after it. It threw me for a loop as to why.

storybook77 said:
Yes, some of the quick chord changes threw me off on the first go around plus the fact that you are pretty much strumming all the time on some of the songs. I think the songs are tiered towards full band difficulty. This game is much more challenging on guitar than The Beatles. (duh!) I've enjoyed it so far although the presentation is not as good as TB:RB. Love the outdoor stadium/ampitheatre type environment though with all of the stage effects.

I'd love to see the ability to customize your sets at the different venues with stage lighting, fire, sparks, etc....depending on your following, if you have roadies, and how much money you have.
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RB3 I bet. ;)
 
Tiering is always weird because different people are better at different patterns. Some people can do the insane HOPO stuff and others are only good with chord changes, etc.

I think a lot of the tiering comes to just passing the song. Some songs are tiered really low but I can't 5-star them because it's just constant strumming and I'll break my combo left and right. However, I'm never in any danger of failing the song. Again, that's just my take on things.
 
XShagrath said:
Tiering is always weird because different people are better at different patterns. Some people can do the insane HOPO stuff and others are only good with chord changes, etc.

I think a lot of the tiering comes to just passing the song. Some songs are tiered really low but I can't 5-star them because it's just constant strumming and I'll break my combo left and right. However, I'm never in any danger of failing the song. Again, that's just my take on things.
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I agree with this. I can do some of the more difficult songs in RB2 but a song like Where'd You Go? gives me difficulty everytime during the verses.
 
XShagrath said:
Some songs are tiered really low but I can't 5-star them because it's just constant strumming and I'll break my combo left and right. However, I'm never in any danger of failing the song. Again, that's just my take on things.
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Exactly. It's all about keeping the combo through the song. Too many breaks and your looking at 3 stars. :lol


storybook77 said:
I agree with this. I can do some of the more difficult songs in RB2 but a song like Where'd You Go? gives me difficulty everytime during the verses.
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I hate that song. Playing The Beatles really helped me with chords.
 
Space Cadet said:
Exactly. It's all about keeping the combo through the song. Too many breaks and your looking at 3 stars. :lol

I hate that song. Playing The Beatles really helped me with chords.
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I always wondered if it was possible to get 2 stars or even 1 star and still pass the song. I'm not sure if it's actually possible.

Green Day should help with playing chords. :P
 
Shaggy bringing the truth with the tier ranking stuff.

A song like Wolf Like Me, for me, should be Devil Tier on guitar, because even playing through it would require the strength of Satan on your side. Yet it's tier 2.
 
aristotle said:
I always wondered if it was possible to get 2 stars or even 1 star and still pass the song. I'm not sure if it's actually possible.

Green Day should help with playing chords. :P
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Polly expert drums.
 
TheGreatDave said:
You can beat some songs with zero stars, if they have so few notes you don't fail for playing nothing. And in GH5 you can get 2 stars on songs.
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No shit? News to me.

PedroRVD said:
I think my biggest achievement on guitar was passing Green Grass and High Tides...and it would be tier 4 for most of you =(
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I never beat it. I refuse to practice songs in plastic instrument games so I never passed that 90-92% solo.
 
PedroRVD said:
I think my biggest achievement on guitar was passing Green Grass and High Tides...and it would be tier 4 for most of you =(
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Don't worry man. I'm much lower than you in the skill dept. I've only really begun to start playing on Hard guitar. I have yet to even try GG&HT.
 
Space Cadet said:
That was complete speculation on my part, as it's just something I have noticed while playing. Certain chords/changes are more difficult than others, too. Shag, AMUSIX, csb, Dave, Charron, etc. will probably have a better understanding of the tiering (Charron, especially). What say you, fellas?
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Tiering is a loose art at best. But in my mind, you have to be trying to do it really wrong, even an educated guess will feel ok. (I still don't see how Don't Let Me Down (Slowly) is Tier 5 drums.)

For Guitar/Bass, I tend to account for the following: song tempo, note frequency, chord shapes, chord transitions, overdrive placement, and endurance. So, for example, Herlathing has 32nd single-note strumming at 80BPM for a good 45 seconds. Low tempo, but high frequency and an endurance challenge, so that contributes a lot to its tier. Janie, which is at most 8th notes at 140BPM (pretty standard pace) is Tier 3 because of chord transitions and shapes; it goes GY-GY-GO-GY-GY-GO-GY-GO at 8ths at times, with a lot of other similar stretches.

For Drums, I account for: fill frequency, "oddity", density, independence, overdrive placement, and endurance. Polyrhythms shoot your tier up, as do intense fills and avoiding the rock beat. I also tend to err upwards if there's a lot of bass or if patterns are snare-focused, since those score differently. Tempo still matters here, but not as much as in G/B.

For Vocals, I account for: pitch differences, word/phrase count, talkies, overdrive, and endurance. (Those last two are kind of a pattern.) A song that is all talkies can never be higher than Tier 2 in my mind, even if it were some super-fast rap, and is almost always Tier 0. A Tier 6 song should likewise have no, or abrupt, talkies, a lot of unnatural pitch changes, and it should cover two or even three octaves. The longer, the harder, the more monotone, the easier. I don't account for what their natural pitch is; most people tend to sing on B/C normally, but if someone's natural pitch is F, I'm not going to up difficulty because that's rarer.

Once I have tiers for everything else, the Full Band tier is effectively the average. I'll round up if everyone's difficult parts are around the same time, since it's less likely that people could then rescue each other, and I'll round down if the difficulty is only in one sudden burst. I do kinda fudge this with vocals; if a song is G6 D6 B6 V0, full band is still gonna be 6, even if the math says it should be a 5.

Like I said, it's a loose art. If a guitar solo has HO/PO scales, that can beef it up to a 5 or 6; but if they're so short and grouped together that a single OD activation can weasel you through them, then maybe it's only a 4 or 5. And a song that's four minutes of easy and 20 seconds of crazy solo may not quite be Tier 6 even if the solo is Constant Motion-level. And a ten-minute song that doesn't throw anything specifically crazy at you may still be up there in tier because it's so damn long. On the other hand, shorter songs get a little boost from me because they're so tough to gold-star, one mistake and you blew it. (That's part of why Motorcide's drums are Tier 6; that and their similarity to Ace of Spades.)
 
Wired All Wrong said:
Glad to hear the news about Xev. Hopefully he makes a full recovery.
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I still remain hesitant, but I'm a natural pessimist. I'm Lennon in the background singing "can't get much worse".
 
Charron said:
I still remain hesitant, but I'm a natural pessimist. I'm Lennon in the background singing "can't get much worse".
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Yeah, I'm trying to be optimistic, but I'm sure being in the condition he is in for so long will be hard to fully come back from.

Hey Space Cadet, go vote here for the Emperor song to get into the review group. The song will probably get done faster if it wins the poll.
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192330
 
Baker said:
I'm sure no one cares, but my Walmart is selling RB1 drums for $9.

Just thought I would pass the information along in case anyone was in dire need for a replacement set.
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My toys r us always has them for 8 bucks and they accidently put the same 8 dollar sticker on the RB2 set the last time I was in there. Sadly they wouldn't sell me more than one at that price.
 
Charron: Thanks for that explanation. Overdrive as a consideration for tiering is new to me, but it sounds completely reasonable.

Wired: Voted. Thanks!
 
TheGreatDave said:
Obvious song for RB3 #47: Yeah Yeah Yeah Song by Flaming Lips. Dat harmony.
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I could go for some more Violent Femmes, Toadies, and Sublime and I'll be happy with whatever else they deem to put on the disc. I have to say most of HMX's on disc songs are good for me. I generally like 80-90% of the songs they put on there, but I have an eclectic taste in music.
 
aristotle said:
I could go for some more Violent Femmes, Toadies, and Sublime and I'll be happy with whatever else they deem to put on the disc. I have to say most of HMX's on disc songs are good for me. I generally like 80-90% of the songs they put on there, but I have an eclectic taste in music.
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Harmonix usually pick good music /passiveaggressiveguitarcharttroll
 
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