I liked Nothing Personal better, myself. It was a bit more poppy, but there were some real winners.
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Rolling Stone ranks the top 40 emo albums of all-time
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I liked Nothing Personal better, myself. It was a bit more poppy, but there were some real winners.
OnionPowder
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A lot of the classic emo bands hold up. Have you gone back and listened to American Football? They're still amazing.
Can you direct me to what you consider emo? Genuine request. Have no clue what is considered emo these days.
Cipher Peon
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You described why Black Parade is one of my favorite albums of all time and why Pinkerton is one of my least. I can relate to Black Parade and Pinkerton might as well have been made by aliens. Can't and don't even want to relate to the awkward horribleness that the songwriting goes at lengths to establish.
I really like the quote from Cuomo when interviewed by Entertainment Weekly
And I know people have grown to REALLY love Pinkerton's self reflection themes over time, this quote nails perfectly as to why I despise the album. It's awkward and I definitely wouldn't ever want to party or even spend time with any person like that. I hate awkwardness. I don't find it endearing, insightful, or "yeah man, I've felt that way sometimes too".
So there's totally a lot of discussion about genres going on here, and while I'm not keen on splitting hairs, I can understand it. I don't let genre classifications impact my opinion on the music.
John Dunbar
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i wear black on the outside 'cause black is how i feel on the inside.
That's pop-punk
(ehh i'm not feeling the joke now and might edit something else in or maybe not)
ElBoxyBrown
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Their definition of emo is pretty stretching. Coheed? Fall Out Boy is more pop punk than emo.
Oh, I'm not embarrassed by the quality of the music, just by the memories they remind me of.
Jawbreaker
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Amanda Woodward?
Anomie?
pg. 99?
City of Caterpillar?
Saetia?
Envy?
La Quiete?
I Hate Myself?
Toru Okada?
Hot Cross?
All these bands are fantastic and can easily replace some of those... very questionable choices.
Anomie?
pg. 99?
City of Caterpillar?
Saetia?
Envy?
La Quiete?
I Hate Myself?
Toru Okada?
Hot Cross?
All these bands are fantastic and can easily replace some of those... very questionable choices.
crooked spin
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1ST WAVE EMO - late 80s/early 90s "emotional" hardcore that still had a political element to it (Rites of Spring and other DC groups) as well as grunge-influence groups like SDRE (i reference grunge because they do the quiet LOUD quiet thing)
2ND WAVE EMO - late 90s groups that have a lo-fi, heavily melodic pop-punk sound and lyrical content focusing on relationships with girls, absolutely no political content (Get Up Kids, early JEW, Promise Ring). in promo photos their look is "dorky hipster". i think a lot of post-hardcore bands like ATDI were included in this wave.
3RD WAVE EMO - more of a glossy pop-punk and/or post-hardcore sound (Thursday, TBS, Brand New) with the same unrequited love lyrics/themes. their look is "dorky hipster with tattoos and an expensive haircut".
4TH WAVE EMO - mid-aughts when any band on Absolute Punk/Alt Press could be considered "emo". FOB before they became "pop", Paramore before they became "alt rock" etc. if you were white, strained your voice when you sang while guitars chugged behind you you were in the club. peak aesthetic.
ok i'm tired of this but i think it's pretty accurate...
2ND WAVE EMO - late 90s groups that have a lo-fi, heavily melodic pop-punk sound and lyrical content focusing on relationships with girls, absolutely no political content (Get Up Kids, early JEW, Promise Ring). in promo photos their look is "dorky hipster". i think a lot of post-hardcore bands like ATDI were included in this wave.
3RD WAVE EMO - more of a glossy pop-punk and/or post-hardcore sound (Thursday, TBS, Brand New) with the same unrequited love lyrics/themes. their look is "dorky hipster with tattoos and an expensive haircut".
4TH WAVE EMO - mid-aughts when any band on Absolute Punk/Alt Press could be considered "emo". FOB before they became "pop", Paramore before they became "alt rock" etc. if you were white, strained your voice when you sang while guitars chugged behind you you were in the club. peak aesthetic.
ok i'm tired of this but i think it's pretty accurate...
RobotNinjaHornets
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TarpitCarnivore
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AFI has always been associated with punk/hardcore
Now we're really starting to stretch the limits of the label. Saetia and Hot Cross but not Off Minor
Yeah, I think that about covers it. I was definitely more into 2nd and 3rd wave emo, but I respect the 1st wave stuff. 4th wave, for me, was really more about just some fun songs I'd hear on the radio or buy as one-off singles, never really got full albums of that stuff.
I'm not saying one is better than the other.
I understand why Pinkerton is not the most conformable record to listen to but that's kinda why I like it. Is just Rivers exposing himself and sharing it with the world. I might relate to somethings and cringe at others but it all works for me.
OnionPowder
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That's more skram than emo. If were including Skram then we need some Jerome's Dream
:lolol I like you.
It's kind of weird that Orchid is there though.
PassiveObserver
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They're including all waves, looking at the list.
You've also gotta class the emo revival bands as its own wave too. There's a sizeable catalog of early 2010s stuff.
Jawbreaker
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AFI has always been associated with punk/hardcore
Now we're really starting to stretch the limits of the label. Saetia and Hot Cross but not Off Minor
Hey, they put Orchid on their list, so it's totally fair game. : p
See above!
OnionPowder
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Yeah I guess, but it's also weird that they have Paramore, My Chemical Romance, The Used and Fall Out Boy lol6
They should replace all of those with just Skram bands if they're going to include one.
Cipher Peon
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Oh yeah, definitely. I really liked that about your post. It explained the appeal of both albums in a straight forward way. I just look at one of those descriptions as high praise and the other as a condemnation. Just my personal internalization of your post
Oh my bad, I just glanced at the top 10. I'm glad that some bands made it on there. There are some questionable choices.
It's true. There are some choices with some serious cred and then they fuck it up with Coheed and Cambria. I wouldn't be mad if they replaced them with skram.
blame space
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where the FUCK is TDAGARIM
TarpitCarnivore
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The hell is skram? I always knew those bands to be "screamo" before that labeled started being used for stuff like Circa Survive and Thrice.
OnionPowder
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They got a legit top 8 then just shit the bed after that.
I'd personally put American Football at #2 but that's just my personal preference!
Skram is Screamo, but for the actual screamo bands and not The Used
Honestly before I clicked, I thought that they'd make a Brand New album number one. Dear You should be higher for me personally
There are three types of brand new fans
the ones that like it all
the ones that like YFW and Deja
the ones that like Deja and Devil.
nobody likes Daisy all that much even though it's a really good album
It transcended genre and became a plane of musical existence all unto itself.
RobotNinjaHornets
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Skramz is just another name for screamo that I think started because screamo got used for anything with screaming and people were bored of it
OnionPowder
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Oh goodness, this was me in school. Bullet for My Valentine, Avenged Sevenfold, The Used. everything was called screamo.
Messofanego
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Placebo not emo? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7bxXjQL3cY&spfreload=10
I'll check out Sunny Day Real Estate.
I'll check out Sunny Day Real Estate.
OnionPowder
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Nope, not emo.
This list is actually a pretty amusing summary of what's been considered "emo" at some point or another from the Dischord era onward.
-legit emo and early post-hardcore (Embrace, Rites of Spring, Moss Icon, Dag Nasty)
-90s post-hardcore (Indian Summer, Drive Like Jehu, At the Drive-In, Orchid, Braid)
-90s indie/emo (Mineral, Cap'n Jazz, The Jazz June, Texas Is the Reason, American Football)
-popular late 90s angsty pop-punk and indie (The Get Up Kids, The Promise Ring, Cursive, Jimmy Eat World)
-popular early 00s angsty pop-punk and post-hardcore (Saves the Day, Thursday, Brand New, Taking Back Sunday)
-pop music that came along and ruined it for everybody (Dashboard Confessional, Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance, Paramore, Panic! at the Disco, The Used)
-stuff that's not really emo but has always popularly considered as such (Sunny Day Real Estate, Jawbreaker, Weezer, Coheed and Cambria)
Kinda cool to see some of these albums on a list in 2016, especially since the term has basically come to mean "weird goths with angular haircuts who listen to shitty pop-punk music" since the mid-00s. There's a bunch of stuff missing and a ton of shit I wouldn't put anywhere near a list like this, but if it gets more people to listen to Mineral and Moss Icon, I'm glad.
-legit emo and early post-hardcore (Embrace, Rites of Spring, Moss Icon, Dag Nasty)
-90s post-hardcore (Indian Summer, Drive Like Jehu, At the Drive-In, Orchid, Braid)
-90s indie/emo (Mineral, Cap'n Jazz, The Jazz June, Texas Is the Reason, American Football)
-popular late 90s angsty pop-punk and indie (The Get Up Kids, The Promise Ring, Cursive, Jimmy Eat World)
-popular early 00s angsty pop-punk and post-hardcore (Saves the Day, Thursday, Brand New, Taking Back Sunday)
-pop music that came along and ruined it for everybody (Dashboard Confessional, Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance, Paramore, Panic! at the Disco, The Used)
-stuff that's not really emo but has always popularly considered as such (Sunny Day Real Estate, Jawbreaker, Weezer, Coheed and Cambria)
Kinda cool to see some of these albums on a list in 2016, especially since the term has basically come to mean "weird goths with angular haircuts who listen to shitty pop-punk music" since the mid-00s. There's a bunch of stuff missing and a ton of shit I wouldn't put anywhere near a list like this, but if it gets more people to listen to Mineral and Moss Icon, I'm glad.
I hate to be THAT guy, but I don't consider MCR emo. Hell, a lot of bands in that list don't fall in the emo category. It does have some cool albums though, but a lot of those bands don't deserve to be in a 'greatest emo albums' list.
PS: I also enjoy MCR from time to time, so I'm not a hater.
Although I do prefer their debut album.Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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I always love it when people complain about genre descriptions.
Yeah, there's a lot of good albums on that list. Should have more Promise Ring, but I'm biased since they were local to me.
Yeah, there's a lot of good albums on that list. Should have more Promise Ring, but I'm biased since they were local to me.
OnionPowder
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I don't even know why I do it. I Hate Myself
ZeroMaverick
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Jimmy Eat World is, like, one of the very first...
Extra Sauce
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Guys I think Rolling Stone thinks that emo music is music that expresses emotion.
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