TacticalFox88
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Holy shit, for the love of fucking god, WATCH THE WHOLE THING FOR CONTEXT!
And people wonder why we can't take conservative thinking seriously.
Romney tax plan: tax increases for the middle class, tax cuts for the wealthy.
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Holy shit, for the love of fucking god, WATCH THE WHOLE THING FOR CONTEXT!
And people wonder why we can't take conservative thinking seriously.
"Let them eat cake."
That's really not what makes your opinion less valid.
Oh dear.
You know that America doesn't actually have any money backed by gold any more, right? In either case, GDP goes up both ways.
Let's make this clear.
If a parent has to feed their kid, and they need a loaf of bread, they will kill. I've been around the homeless. You keep raising that percentage, they will truly do "anything."
I'm not saying that welfare is a tool used to keep people from going crazy, but cutting off social programs because "people are just living off a handout" with no plan to help these people is silly. Charity isn't going to cut. Social programs are a good thing for everybody.
Deified Data
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If I were as rich as Romney, I'd hold the same position.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
How else do you keep it revenue neutral?
Once again, if you actually read the study, they address spending cuts by noting that they will in all likelihood be more regressive dollar for dollar than tax increases. In other words, eliminating tax breaks only is still the most favorable assumption to make about his plan in terms of its impact on the lower and middle classes.
ElectricBlue187
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"Well if they'd rather die then they'd better do it and decrease the surplus population!"
Yes, we'd all be clueless about reality if we were sheltered by our wealth.
But since we're not.
Black Mamba
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It's what the Repubs have been proposing.
Also, re-read it.
Their analysis shows it by giving a best-case scenarios. Meaning, they took the weakest possible assumptions to hurt the middle class and ran with it. Or in other words, if Romney got his way, this is the best case scenario for the middle class (assuming revenue neutrality).
The truth is, it would be a lot worse.
Big Baybee
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Did that dude really just talk about the "You didn't build that" bullshit? You know he was talking about roads, right?
To you. It means a great deal to me. This is a point I don't lord over people but there is a reason we left the oppression of Great Britain to start our own country and that is ingrained into my DNA of which no one will take.
Which will lead to greater deficits by the Federal Government. Also, if Obama is for that, I sure don't see it.
The study (coming back to the OP) states that it would be imperative to NOT tax someone in order to get spending under control. The funny thing is how many of us make over $250,000 a year? Or a million? I can count on one hand friends I have that make that much coin have watched them move states because of state and federal taxes. The problem with this issue is you can't have both. CUT GOVERNMENT! REDUCE TAXES! It gets old after a while since we are played as political volleyball. My hope is that Romney picks either one or the other and sticks with it.
In some ways yes because we as a people have gone beyond are means both individually and corporately as country.
balladofwindfishes
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those poor rich people having to move because their taxes are too high, oh the humanity.
Black Mamba
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I can tell you his answer. It will be reduce taxes, grow deficits, and most likely not reduce any spending. Heck, he'll probably increase it.
But those reduction in taxes will be predominately for those earning a lot. And maybe the middle class with get a slight reduction in taxes to delude themselves into thinking they got a good deal.
The republican playbook is the same. We saw this with W.
The Technomancer
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Gone beyond our means by...doing what? Trying to ensure that no citizen of the most prosperous nation on earth is at risk of dying from starvation?
Ah, so you haven't been paying attention.
SnakeswithLasers
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jchap
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They completely eliminated them for the top bracket (these cuts are a tiny percentage of top bracket tax returns) but also reduced them by 60% for the lower tax brackets (something that is not politically realistic and has never been proposed by Romney).
Cut him some slack. We can't expect republicans to fact-check, can we?
David Incorporated Esq.
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The federal government can accumulate debt, state governments cannot.
csquared587
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I'm not voting for either of these guys, but it's amazing how a lot of people here are just going with the huffington post's assumptions here. Sure, Romney's plan probably isn't very specific at this point, but it doesn't give these guys a free reign to fill it in however they see fit.
it does not seem very honest.
cultural heritage has nothing to do with makes up my world view? Yeah, that's a good one.
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
It's a horrible idea that will resonate perfectly with his target market. That is why was going back and forth with Phonecian_Viking. This plays very much into the desires of those people who are already going to vote for him: Rich Republicans and the Poor Republicans that think that if they make life really good for Rich Republicans that somehow the Rich Republicans will be kind enough to throw out a bone to them. It makes no fucking sense, but that's what "his people" want, and he's giving it to them.
this is .. ummm .. i dunno. something not felt by most people.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Learn your history. You left the Empire because a certain group of people wanted greater power and control. Which was achievable through independence. I mean, support for the revolution and opposition to it can be traced pretty consistently to those who traded in the trans-atlantic system with the British Empire and between those who didn't. It was all about the money and the power - don't pretend otherwise.
EDIT: I suppose that could be what you call, 'American Exceptionalism' - the lust for money and power. If that is the case, however, then I despair.
Solution: make more than $200,000 in 2013.
Deified Data
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I'm sorry - I was being glib.
Rest assured that I'm just as frustrated as you, though I'm beyond the point of being offended or surprised by the man.
Dragoon En Regalia
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I haven't been too up-to-date on the recent happenings of this thread. But this thread is certainly wacko stuff. Keep it up, Ptcx!
So would you say that you like Romney's appreciation for America's anglo-saxon heritage?cultural heritage has nothing to do with makes up my world view? Yeah, that's a good one.
How long has your family been here and why did they arrive?
My first American relative arrived in 1632 to make mad bank.
So Romney's idea of backing Israel if (or more like when) they go to war with Iran is not not warmongering.. right right..
Young people die as the die of wars are cast by old and greedy.
I am not a fan of Obama either. Too many promises too little delivered and lies about protecting whistle blowers. That said, between the two evils Obama is the lesser one.
Black Mamba
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Which is why the claim that Romney will be revenue neutral is a lie. He's arguing he won't hurt revenues, but the point of the study in the OP is to show for that to be true, this is what he'd have to do.
Either you have to accept Romney is proposing all that stuff or that he's not revenue neutral and will be increasing deficits at a faster rate.
You can't call a righty out on being uninformed. That's like..not allowed.
RustyNails
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What's that got to do with "exceptionalism"? You want me to list the countries that sought independence and won them?
I don't understand why they are assuming revenue neutrality. His plan isn't to increase middle class taxes. He'll give everyone their pittance and once again a good old boy will be in the white house so magically deficits won't matter again.
This entire HuffPo article is flat out bad editorializing.
Never underestimate the absolute stupidity and willful ignorance of the electorate.
Oracle Dragon
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Seems like someone should do both: Cut government, increase taxes. Do away with the nonessential services and start filling up those coffers.
Keep the tax break for corps and the "trickle down" economics but tax the ever loving crap out of richies who hoard their wealth instead of investing those tax savings into actual job creation (like I'm sure was the idea). Profitable companies who outsource jobs that could have been done by Americans should have their taxes increased in relation to the percentage of their workforce they have sent offshore.
Why are American citizens providing financial incentives to corporations if they are not returning the favor by providing American jobs? "American Corporations" where the upper management are Americans and the workers are non in country should have massive tariffs on their goods to be treated as any other foreign import. If you want the tax breaks provided to domestic corporations, provide domestic job opportunities.
CAVEAT: I'm not American. The above is certain to be a gross oversimplification.
So yeah.
Have you considered looking?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Business_Jobs_Act_of_2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumpstart_Our_Business_Startups_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009#Other
Surely if that were the case borrowers would be hesitant to lend to America, rather than being willing to lend money to America at a discount so that we could make money just by borrowing all the money available and lending it back out.
CHEEZMO
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George Washington was a rugged, self-made individual who got where he did by good old fashioned bootstrap-pullin' before declaring independence from the Evil British Empire because he wanted to be altruistic and thought it would and end the oppression of their taxes *spit* on his modest wealth.
balladofwindfishes
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We're not really exceptional in many things at all, besides having the largest military to the point that it's a drag on our revenue.
I mean, we have some of the worst health care in the modern world, we have terrible consumer rights, our housing market is volatile, our banks corrupt, our news alarmingly partisan, our copyright so broken it stifles innovation, our schools are crumpling, education is being actively destroyed, we have some of the worse social program in the first world, our bridges are to the point of danger, our roads crumpling, our skies polluted and segments of our people cannot exercise the same rights because of their sexual orientation.
So I'm trying to find what we're exceptional at and having a hell of time
I mean, we have some of the worst health care in the modern world, we have terrible consumer rights, our housing market is volatile, our banks corrupt, our news alarmingly partisan, our copyright so broken it stifles innovation, our schools are crumpling, education is being actively destroyed, we have some of the worse social program in the first world, our bridges are to the point of danger, our roads crumpling, our skies polluted and segments of our people cannot exercise the same rights because of their sexual orientation.
So I'm trying to find what we're exceptional at and having a hell of time
From what I've found, my mothers side goes back to 1712 of what is kept on record for my tribe. Gotta love GAF though since when there is blood in the water for a conservatives opinion, they love to bite.
It pains me that as one of the most prosperous nations in world history we're seriously debating taking away services for the less fortunate just to provide the wealthy with a bit more money that they don't really need. Certainly not a Christian ideal that many of those same people try to bring into many national discussions on moral issues.
Smiles and Cries
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the fact that this guy even has a chance at winning makes me a sad panda
So, which do you want to cut: Social Security, Medicare, or the military?
Where are you getting your numbers?
Hoo man. Never mind.
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