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[hivsteak]

Hey Gaf I'm looking for thoughts on this situation.

The landlord of the apartment I'm moving into tomorrow told us we could pick up the keys from his office at 4pm today. My roommate shows up at 4. No keys. An hour and a half pass and the old tenants have still not returned the keys. The landlord instructs my roommate to pick up the keys from the tenants directly.

My roommate drives over, rings the buzzer, and the tenants do reply or buzz the door. Presumably the landlord did not communicate to the tenants my roommate was coming to get the keys. Some time passes and another resident of the apartment complex walks up to enter the building. My roommate tries to walk in behind the resident and the guy suddenly turns and knees my roommate in the stomach hard and slams the door directly in his face. This guy never utters a word during the whole thing and goes on with his business, leaving my roommate out in the entry hall.

Eventually my roommate gets in and the tenants give him the keys.

The fuck should we do?

My roommate doesn't want me to do anything about it or tell the landlord, but its just not right.

 

[captainraincoat]

Ok...if I were a resident I would be freaked out if someone tried to push their way in behind.

Simply chalk it up as a misunderstanding and if you see the person again say sorry if they startled you

 

[kingwingin]

What kind of weirdo tries to walk in behind someone like that. those doors are locked for a reason

 

[hivsteak]

Ok...if I were a resident I would be freaked out if someone tried to push their way in behind.

Simply chalk it up as a misunderstanding and if you see the person again say sorry if they startled you

I can understand I'm just mad that this happened. I've entered in behind people plenty of times at friend's and girlfriend's apartments without being hit by the resident. This isn't a bad neighborhood and these apartments are on the expensive side there is no reason for anyone to react so violently.

Out of the two replies I really don't think anyone is going to say anything differently and I get it. No point to the thread anymore I just wanted to vent.

Could mods please lock/delete thread?

 

[Snow_Lizard]

Hmm. Well, I can see it a few ways:

1. The guy who attacked him is just a nutjob.
2. The guy thought he was trying to gain entry for nefarious reasons. It's an extreme reaction, but if, perhaps, there had been break-ins recently, or the guy had some kind of PTSD response, it may not be entirely inexplicable.
3. It may be a rough neighborhood, and people routinely use misdemeanor assault in place of harsh language.

It's hard to give advice without knowing more. If you foresee further conflict with the guy, it's probably best to report it to police. They'll keep a record of it that may help you in the future. But, of course, that comes with its own risks.

One lesson to take away is: don't assume it's okay to follow someone through a security door. Don't take that to mean I'm blaming the victim, but, if somebody I didn't know followed me like that without asking permission, it would start a confrontation. I wouldn't start a fight off the bat, but I'd be getting ready for the possibility.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

i would have kicked that door down and layed him out and then make him pay for the fucking door

 

[12Goblins]

You're saying your roommate tried to sneak inside when one of residents went through a secured DOOR? and then got kneed in the gut LMAO oh my God haha

 

[5secondrulesucks]

You're saying your roommate tried to sneak inside when one of residents went through a secured DOOR? and then got kneed in the gut LMAO oh my God haha

when you put it that way its pretty funny

 

[hivsteak]

If you foresee further conflict with the guy, it's probably best to report it to police.

You make good points. I'm not sure how well my roommate will handle it when he runs into that guy again that is the biggest concern. If I was the one picking up the keys this would definitely not have happened.

 

[hivsteak]

You're saying your roommate tried to sneak inside when one of residents went through a secured DOOR? and then got kneed in the gut LMAO oh my God haha

when you put it that way its pretty funny

Trust me we laughed afterwards, but I'm still angry about it. Ultimately its not funny because we have to live in the same building as this guy who freely assaults people like its his job for the next year.

It wasn't so much of a sneak as my friend was standing in the entry hall and just walked in behind the guy as he opened the inner door. Guess because he has never seen him before he decided to attack him lmao.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

Trust me we laughed afterwards, but I'm still angry about it. Ultimately its not funny because we have to live in the same building as this guy who freely assaults people like its his job for the next year.

huh what kind of apartments are these i was under the impression that they were moving out and you had to get this key for whatever reason. i was like what kind of bum landlord cant even evict or whatever

 

[hivsteak]

huh what kind of apartments are these i was under the impression that they were moving out and you had to get this key for whatever reason. i was like what kind of bum landlord cant even evict or whatever

Everything was going swimmingly until today. The tenants were suppose to be out of the building by 12 pm and turn the keys in by 2pm. They didn't and the landlord is a dick and delegated the task of retrieving the keys to my roommate so we can get into the apartment tomorrow afternoon.

 

[Weiji]

huh what kind of apartments are these i was under the impression that they were moving out and you had to get this key for whatever reason. i was like what kind of bum landlord cant even evict or whatever

Trust me we laughed afterwards, but I'm still angry about it. Ultimately its not funny because we have to live in the same building as this guy who freely assaults people like its his job for the next year.

It wasn't so much of a sneak as my friend was standing in the entry hall and just walked in behind the guy as he opened the inner door. Guess because he has never seen him before he decided to attack him lmao.

I agree that the reaction from the guy was extreme, but I also agree with others in this thread that trying to enter a secure building like that is asking for trouble.

If you know where this guy lives I might suggest knocking on his door and !politely! explaining that your friend was just there to pick up keys and will be living there.

Don't be confrontational or expect an apology, just explain so he knows you both live there.

I would be concerned that after this situation if he sees your friend he might think he had successfully broken in, in which case who knows what he might do.

It's probably just him thinking your friend was there for nefarious reasons, so once you have keys you can just explain.

But don't be angry or confrontational, this is a person who will likely escalate with you if you come at him with heat.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Trust me we laughed afterwards, but I'm still angry about it. Ultimately its not funny because we have to live in the same building as this guy who freely assaults people like its his job for the next year.

It wasn't so much of a sneak as my friend was standing in the entry hall and just walked in behind the guy as he opened the inner door. Guess because he has never seen him before he decided to attack him lmao.

Fuck his gf

move on

 

[hivsteak]

But don't be angry or confrontational, this is a person who will likely escalate with you if you come at him with heat.

Undoubtly this is a unstable guy who is willing to hurt anyone given the opportunity. I'll have the super deal with it I can only imagine how poorly it'd go otherwise.

Fuck his gf

move on

If he has one she probably has a constant shiner

 

[pramod]

So he just walked in right behind the guy? If someone did that to me I wouldnt necessary knee him but I would be like WTF?

A normal person would at least maybe try to be more discreet? Like I would just wait until the door is almost shut and quickly stick my hand in.

 

[diablos991]

Sounds like you found the cheapest apartments in town!

Time to spend a little extra and move to a nicer side of town.

Or maybe you happen to live with the best, albeit crazy, security guard of a neighbor.

 

[fixedpoint]

If you know where this guy lives I might suggest knocking on his door and !politely! explaining that your friend was just there to pick up keys and will be living there.

Don't be confrontational or expect an apology, just explain so he knows you both live there.

Do not do this unless you're prepared for round two. I would have called the police.

 

[hivsteak]

Sounds like you found the cheapest apartments in town!

Time to spend a little extra and move to a nicer side of town.

I wish that was the case. These units are expensive and most are owned by people who have lived there for 10-20 years.

I completely blame the landlord for this situation. He should have been the one to retrieve the keys or just told us he'll have them tomorrow morning.

Do not do this unless you're prepared for round two. I would have called the police.

Exactly we're not going near this guy, he is beyond reason. We're having the landlord and super deal with mediating the situation for us.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I would have called the cops the second the bastard layed a hand on me. What happened is not ok, and you're living next to a person willing to commit unprovoked violence.

 

[Weiji]

Do not do this unless you're prepared for round two. I would have called the police.

He's going to say he caught the person breaking and entering and forced him out the door. Since he WAS breaking and entering this decision may backfire.

Also calling the police isn't going to chill this neighbor out.

 

[Weiji]

I wish that was the case. These units are expensive and most are owned by people who have lived there for 10-20 years.

I completely blame the landlord for this situation. He should have been the one to retrieve the keys or just told us he'll have them tomorrow morning.



Exactly we're not going near this guy, he is beyond reason. We're having the landlord and super deal with mediating the situation for us.

Having the landlord deal is probably the best answer, hopefully he does.

 

[MMaRsu]

Maybe talk to the guy once you move in?

 

[Dontero]

The fuck should we do?

Call police ?

 

[thief183]

O don't get why your roommate just did not ask if he could enter... I mean sometimes talking can solve problems you know...

 

[AngularSaxophone]

i would have kicked that door down and layed him out and then make him pay for the fucking door

You'd be crying to us from the hospital with a fractured ankle at minimum.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Yeah, since your roommate didn't handle it on the spot, mediation seems like a good starting point.

 

[King of Foxes]

I would just let it go, to that guy it appeared like someone hanging around the doors for an hour tried to sneak in.

On the plus side at least you know you have a neighbor who will look out for the building at least

 

[Spheyr]

Your roommate tried to force his way into a secure building without saying a word to the person he was trying to use as his Trojan Horse and got rebuked. He was in the wrong 100%. He should have said something to the guy about why he was there, not make the guy think he was about to get robbed or worse.


Roommate was the aggressor, not the victim.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

Your roommate tried to force his way into a secure building without saying a word to the person he was trying to use as his Trojan Horse and got rebuked. He was in the wrong 100%. He should have said something to the guy about why he was there, not make the guy think he was about to get robbed or worse.


Roommate was the aggressor, not the victim.

well not exactly. the people were supposed to be out of the apartment. the fault lies in the cowardly manager for telling his ass to get the keys himself. that shouldnt be his job. if these schmucks where supposed to leave and didnt most likely means they are garbage people who have nowhere else to stay. if i was the dude who got kneed someone is getting knocked out. def the knee'er and maybe id slap around the manager

 

[Spheyr]

well not exactly. the people were supposed to be out of the apartment. the fault lies in the cowardly manager for telling his ass to get the keys himself. that shouldnt be his job. if these schmucks where supposed to leave and didnt most likely means they are garbage people who have nowhere else to stay. if i was the dude who got kneed someone is getting knocked out. def the knee'er and maybe id slap around the manager

You should talk to a professional. It sounds more like they were running late on move out day and lost track of the time to me, not their entire character needs to be attacked.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

You should talk to a professional.

like a hitman? first of all that shit is illegal and second i can handle my own problems thank you very much. a person trying to knee me isnt that fucking bad

 

[Spheyr]

like a hitman? first of all that shit is illegal and second i can handle my own problems thank you very much. a person trying to knee me isnt that fucking bad

Apparently it's so bad you'd go attack someone unrelated to the event. The professional you need is someone to talk about your anger issues.


And no, keeping someone out of a secure building they're trying to force their way into isn't illegal, and I guarantee it'd be ruled self defense if he forced it into court.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

Apparently it's so bad you'd go attack someone unrelated to the event. The professional you need is someone to talk about your anger issues.


And no, keeping someone out of a secure building they're trying to force their way into isn't illegal, and I guarantee it'd be ruled self defense if he forced it into court.

well no youre wrong. the people were supposed to be out of the apt and legally its OPs apartment. they have every right to go in. at that point the other people are just squatters

 

[Turnt]

I once had a similar situation at a grocery store.

 

[JimmyJones]

Move to a different apartment complex? It will be pretty awkward being neighbours with that dude after taking his knee.

 

[test_account]

Your roommate tried to force his way into a secure building without saying a word to the person he was trying to use as his Trojan Horse and got rebuked. He was in the wrong 100%. He should have said something to the guy about why he was there, not make the guy think he was about to get robbed or worse.


Roommate was the aggressor, not the victim.

The guy who went in could easily have asked the OP's roommate what was going on, not just knock him down without any warning. While i agree that the roommate could also definitelly ask the other guy before simply entering, it doesnt excuse the violence in this case. I obviously dont know all the little details around the case, but going by the general idea that his roommate simply tried to enter the door behind the other guy.

 

[Cato]

Hey Gaf I'm looking for thoughts on this situation.

The landlord of the apartment I'm moving into tomorrow told us we could pick up the keys from his office at 4pm today. My roommate shows up at 4. No keys. An hour and a half pass and the old tenants have still not returned the keys. The landlord instructs my roommate to pick up the keys from the tenants directly.

My roommate drives over, rings the buzzer, and the tenants do reply or buzz the door. Presumably the landlord did not communicate to the tenants my roommate was coming to get the keys. Some time passes and another resident of the apartment complex walks up to enter the building. My roommate tries to walk in behind the resident and the guy suddenly turns and knees my roommate in the stomach hard and slams the door directly in his face. This guy never utters a word during the whole thing and goes on with his business, leaving my roommate out in the entry hall.

Eventually my roommate gets in and the tenants give him the keys.

The fuck should we do?

My roommate doesn't want me to do anything about it or tell the landlord, but its just not right.

Sounds like BS to me.
Your friend just tried to mind his own business entering a door and out of the blue he was assaulted?

I would ask your friend what really happened that led up to this.

 

[Gander]

It sounds like it's all the landlord's fault. He sounds like they most unprofessional SOB I've ever heard of in my life.

 

[PonyStation4]

I would have called the cops the second the bastard layed a hand on me. What happened is not ok, and you're living next to a person willing to commit unprovoked violence.

Unprovoked? They probably did it out of fear, I would be scared too if someone was creeping up behind me while I was entering my home.

 

[HoodWinked]

not everything is a 10 just forget about it and move on.

 

[Haeleos]

Your landlord isn't even trying to hide that he's scum.

 

[Bluecondor]

When I read this it reminded me of an incident from work from this past spring.

I am a professor and I was going into our copy room at 6 PM (office closes at 5) to make a few copies for my night class. The copy room has a combination lock, so I entered in the combination and opened the door.

Right as I was walking through the door, a man ran up behind me and went through the door with me (standing about a foot behind me) before it closed. He didn't say a word.

So - there I am - in a very small copy room with a guy standing a foot behind me, who had just ran up unannounced. I automatically squared up into an athletic stance on alert. I have to admit that I never seriously thought of taking the swing at the guy though and he didn't actually make contact with me.

About a second or so later, he finally said "Hey - I am teaching a class here and I needed to make some copies and I didn't have the code." I then made my copies and left without incident, leaving him there.

The next day when I came into work I was horrified to learn that he murdered someone in the copy room.

Just joking - the guy was probably just making handouts for his accounting class or something. No one was murdered.

All of this said - it is a very strange situation to be in having someone run in right behind you to get past a locked door that you unlocked. While I didn't take a swing in my situation, when I described this to a few other people, they replied along the lines of "I would have cold cocked that guy!"

 

[Cato]

Your landlord isn't even trying to hide that he's scum.

What are you on?
What did the landlord do wrong? It is not his fault the losers that were the previous tenants were late to return the keys.
Landlord tried to do the best of the situation and told them they could maybe pick the keys up from them at the apartment.

 

[5secondrulesucks]

i guess the whole "defense force" thing rings true. like while i think this situation is hilarious i just cant defend squatters and shitty management

 

[poppabk]

So the first thing is your landlord seems shitty. He should have arranged things better and if things went sideways he should be the one fixing it.
Secondly - you are living in the same building as someone who either
a) reacts over aggressively or
b) lives in an area where that level of instantaneous aggression was appropriate.

 

[Greedings]

Don't try to sneak into someone's apartment building.

 

[ar0s]

So he just walked in right behind the guy? If someone did that to me I wouldnt necessary knee him but I would be like WTF?

A normal person would at least maybe try to be more discreet? Like I would just wait until the door is almost shut and quickly stick my hand in.

A friend and I walked through an open gate to visit the bins room in a secured car park to do something not so good for you. When we went to leave, every exit/entrance was locked.

We had to stand by the locked door to the building itself and knock on the window and make pathetic hand signals at a passing resident, who opened the door so we could sheepishly exit the building.

If we lived in America I can imagine being shot for less.

The worst thing was the guy who appeared at the door looked like undercover police. We were locked in for over 30 minutes and in the centre of town so would have been plenty time for police to turn up and take us in too.

Terrible experience. Don't see that particular 'friend' anymore.

 

[ar0s]

The guy who went in could easily have asked the OP's roommate what was going on, not just knock him down without any warning. While i agree that the roommate could also definitelly ask the other guy before simply entering, it doesnt excuse the violence in this case. I obviously dont know all the little details around the case, but going by the general idea that his roommate simply tried to enter the door behind the other guy.

If this is in America then surely taking the time to ask questions is enough time for the roommate to pull a gun and blow him away. Throwing the sneaking stalker off guard and getting the door shut ASAP would have been the best way to survive the incident IMO. I'm on the violent nutter's side in this one.

 

[Dontspeakforme]

I would've dialed 911 as soon as it happened.