SCULLIBUNDO
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RTTP: Spider-Man Trilogy
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riskybusinesstomcruise
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I thought the Vulture was one of the stronger parts of Homecoming but it certainly would have been interesting if there was a progression of his character where throughout the movie you could see his business was escalating and getting more and more out of his control with him becoming increasingly desperate. They show this during the final confrontation scene but before that point he kinda just laughed everything off.
Also I think it would have helped his characterization if he was
the MJ characters father
MJ
daughter
Nerdkiller
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HELLO, MY DEAR!
Okay, but
Pete ain't in a relationship with MJ, he doesn't like MJ, he likes Liz,
he likes the senior in high school while he is a sophomore and her dad is the motherfucker who can beat his ass and pulls a glock on his ass like it ain't a big deal because he'll kill him. He'll kill him dead.
he likes the senior in high school while he is a sophomore and her dad is the motherfucker who can beat his ass and pulls a glock on his ass like it ain't a big deal because he'll kill him. He'll kill him dead.
Vampfox
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Back to formula.
Fancyarcher
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Spider-Man 1 and 2 are still classics and hold up very well, early / bad CGI aside. Rewatching Spider-Man, it actually feels so different from superhero movies nowadays. The stakes are very very low and personal more than world threatening. The villain basically achieves his goal in his first appearance and then remains a villain because he likes being evil. The pacing is great and the film moves along with any real interruption. Peter gets bit by the Spiderman really quickly (like 10 minutes in), and Norman because a Goblin right from the get-go. Heck Spider-Man doesn't get a big reveal and most of the setpieces are very "small scale", but the actual danger and threat seem so much more personal compared to most comic-book movies. Plus I miss cool opening credits sequences in comic book films, which are super-rare these days.
Spider-Man 2 is also great, and an interesting exploration of Peter Parker himself. I love the raindrops sequences, and Doc Ock is a great villain.
Spider-Man 3 is a mess, but an interesting mess. A case of two many cooks in the kitchen, they really should have skipped the black-suit costume entirely and have gone with The Sandman / The Vulture instead. What we got is entertaining, but more as a film of "what when wrong here".
Spider-Man 2 is also great, and an interesting exploration of Peter Parker himself. I love the raindrops sequences, and Doc Ock is a great villain.
Spider-Man 3 is a mess, but an interesting mess. A case of two many cooks in the kitchen, they really should have skipped the black-suit costume entirely and have gone with The Sandman / The Vulture instead. What we got is entertaining, but more as a film of "what when wrong here".
SCULLIBUNDO
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GODSPEED, SPIDER-MAN
Vampfox
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Don't tell Harry.
riskybusinesstomcruise
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Yeah I'm saying scrap the Liz character entirely and just start building the dynamic between
Peter and MJ
I like how they handled it in Homecoming, wish Liz was around more but hey, I'm positive there will purposefully be more development between Michelle and Pete
Liz and Peter had a relationship that was very high school like
A sophomore kid like a senior, he was nervous to tell her, they say yes to one date after kinda dropping hints they think the kid is cute, the kid calls them their girl/boyfriend, and
their dad tries to kill the kid and goes to jail forcing the senior to move to Oregon which is weird since she ain't have a lot of school left...
Beren the Empty-Handed
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SLEEEEEEEEEEEEP
SCULLIBUNDO
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I OFFERED YOU FRIENDSHIP, AND YOU SHPAT IN MY FAYSH
daTRUballin
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WHY ARE YOU TALKING IN ALL CAPS
Nerdkiller
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AVENGE ME!
I just rewatched Raimi Spiderman 1 on TV a couple days ago, and only just noticed that the line was repeated.
Peter and Mary Jane move to the big city to chase their dreams. Peter feels like shit so he goes to visit Mary Jane, who is just getting off a shift at work. Mary Jane pretends to Peter like she's on her way to an acting audition, until her boss yells over to give her shit, and she's forced to admit to Peter that she's waiting tables to pay the bills. She says that Harry (who she's dating) doesn't like the idea that she works for a living, because he thinks it's beneath him/her. As Mary Jane and Peter part company, she ends the conversation with "Don't tell Harry."
Incidentally, Harry is obsessing over which dress Mary Jane wears, because he wants her to look as beautiful as possible when she meets his father. When Mary Jane and Norman Osborn eventually do meet, some of Norman's darker feelings leak out due to the Green Goblin, and Norman (having noticed Mary Jane's beauty) tells Harry that his mother was beautiful too, but that the Osborn family fortune is all that beautiful gold-digging women want, so Harry should get what he wants out of Mary Jane, but don't get too attached. And a stunned Harry believes him (triggering the breakup which Green Goblin blames Peter Parker for). I guess that "Don't tell Harry" thing and letting him believe you were just a pretty face didn't work out so good.
And then Norman as Green Goblin mortally wounds himself in a fight with Peter Parker/Spiderman. "Don't tell Harry" as his last words. Don't tell him that I have a shameful side job. Don't tell him that I'm not the perfect figure that he thinks I am. It's a repeat of Mary Jane. These friends of Peter's are burdening him with "positive" lies to tell Harry, which end up causing more damage than the truth.
I never really understood or appreciated that line when I first watched the Raimi Spidermans.
The great thing about J. Jonah Jameson in Raimi Spiderman 1 is... he gives Peter Parker all of this shit, and he drags Spiderman's name through the mud making Peter feel double-miserable... but then when Green Goblin shows up looking for the guy who takes Spiderman's pictures, JJJ fearlessly lies to Green Goblin's face about the identity of Spiderman's photographer, without even a moment of hesitation, and you get the real sense that JJJ will die before he gives up one single word about Peter.
And it's not even really about Peter, or JJJ's nonexistent love for him, or his greed in not wanting to lose the goose that lays his golden eggs. It's because J. Jonah Jameson is a journalist down to his core, and a journalist never gives up their sources.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
I'm rewatching the original SM3 right now. And the first 45 minutes of the movie are amazing. Nothing really wrong there.
But it hits a MAJOR bump when Peter kisses Gwen Stacy upside during his parade with MJ watching. I know that Peter riding high on a wave of momentum, but that was way out of character for him to do that. It's at that point the movie becomes a little unstable.
But it hits a MAJOR bump when Peter kisses Gwen Stacy upside during his parade with MJ watching. I know that Peter riding high on a wave of momentum, but that was way out of character for him to do that. It's at that point the movie becomes a little unstable.
CrichtonKicks
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Revisiting these just makes me said that Raimi hasn't been more prolific since SM3. Just love his visual sense.
Like with Nolan, take a great director and you will get great superhero movies. Both Nolan and Raimi trilogies are their movies first and foremost, complete with their signature style, editing and tropes. The MCU movies to me succeed in draining all personality from the directors and trading it to "consistency".
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
After finishing the movie, the movie was better than I remember. Cut out the emo Peter non-sense (the hair flip, fixing his hair down, the dance at MJ's bar, the strut and suit scene) and you have a much better movie, especially edited as the 3.1 Editor's Cut.
I actually think they handled Venom alright, at the end of the day. Where they did screw up a little was the voice. Brock's voice is supposed to change A LOT when the suit fully takes over. But it was a bit toned down.
I actually think they handled Venom alright, at the end of the day. Where they did screw up a little was the voice. Brock's voice is supposed to change A LOT when the suit fully takes over. But it was a bit toned down.
Tom Holland nailed it, though.
Personally, I used to think Spider-Man 1 and 2 were great, particularly 2. But I find neither has aged well.
I have really big problems with MJ and Harry, both Dunst and Franco - especially Franco - were pretty awful. Then there's a lot of corny shit that, while intentionally corny, just doesn't resonate with me now as it did when I was younger.
I disagree, I mean, they continually emphasis his internal struggle to sacrifice his entire social life to be Spider-Man. That's a big deal for a teenager. And as for wanting to be an Avenger, the entire film is his arc of maturity and realizing this shit isn't a game. Real people, real lives, real responsibility.