Russia suspects Turkey prepares to enter Syria

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LONDON (AP) -- The Latest on fighting in Syria and Thursday's Syria aid conference (all times local):

3:00 p.m.

The Russian military says it has "reasonable grounds" to suspect that Turkey is making intensive preparations for a military invasion of neighboring Syria.

Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said Thursday in a statement that the Russian military has registered "a growing number of signs of hidden preparation of the Turkish armed forces for active actions on the territory of Syria."

He said images of a checkpoint on the Turkish-Syrian border taken in late October and late January show a buildup of transportation infrastructure that could be used for moving in troops, ammunition and weapons.
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Russia did the same things for months near Ukraine and always denied everything...
 
I mean, it could be happening, but I don't think Russia would be a trustworthy source on this if it were...
 
I can imagine some particular people here will be licking their lips in anticipation if thats whats to come...
 
If Turkey enters the war, ISIS will never be defeated. But I guess that's probably the point. They certainly wouldn't go to war for the rebels, kurds, or assad
 
He said images of a checkpoint on the Turkish-Syrian border taken in late October and late January show a buildup of transportation infrastructure that could be used for moving in troops, ammunition and weapons.
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So increased border security means they are moving infrastructure for an invasion? Further, why allocate the infrastructure to border checkpoints and not to a less visible area if it were to be done in secret?

Why is Russia speaking for Syria?
 
Is Russia forget that Turkey wants a Buffer Zone in Syria border?
So Turkey's army will have to enter the Syria to set the Buffer Zone.
 
Isn't Turkey being attacked from Syria? I can't stand the Turkish government, but they are totally within their rights if they need to stop the shelling of their citizens.
 
Jag said:
Isn't Turkey being attacked from Syria? I can't stand the Turkish government, but they are totally within their rights if they need to stop the shelling of their citizens.
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They probably also want to do something to stop the source of the problem of the millions of refugees flooding into their country all the time rather than argue who should take all these displaced people in.

Russia is only making the the problem worse, and it was only a matter of time someone got involved to try and put an end to this.
 
Seems like only a few months ago that Russia was flaunting its friendship with new BFF Turkey after the South Stream pipeline was canceled.

Crazy how fast things changed.
 
VendettaRed07 said:
They probably also want to do something to stop the source of the problem of the millions of refugees flooding into their country all the time rather than argue who should take all these displaced people in.

Russia is only making the the problem worse, and it was only a matter of time someone got involved to try and put an end to this.
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And it's funny to hear Russia/Putin of all countries/people complaining about it too.
 
Very likely Erdogan is looking to dislodge the YPG from Northern Syria and stop them from consolidating their control over the bordering towns. More recently the Syrian/Iranian/Russian alliance managed to cut the Turkish supply lines to Erdogan's jihadist allies north of Aleppo as well as recapture most of the Latakian mountains.

Doubt Erdogan would sit idly while he watches his Neo Ottoman dream crumble, tho I don't think he would venture beyond striking the YPG, Syrian army and allies are a red line for Moscow and are protected by their AA and air force. If Moscow and the YPG were to form an official alliance then Erdogan won't have much room to maneuver.
 
I'm not taking Russia's word on this. Turkey certainly has the means (seeing how Syria is barely functioning and the Russian contingent is tiny with very limited supply options) but I don't see a motive. Russia isn't going to just slink away with their tail behind their legs and even if they can't exactly nuke or invade Turkey, there's plenty they can do to make Turkey hurt dearly.

Invading without Russian consent would be insanely risky for no real reward. The shooting down of the Russian Su-24 was one thing, Turkey had the legal right to do it and knew Russia couldn't really respond - as evidenced by the fact that they haven't really, beyond condemnation and the very limited strategic move in deploying the S-400 battery and the Moskva. Outright invasion would be very different. Russia would have to respond and Russians would die.

That's not something either side can ignore.
 
SliceSabre said:
Well Turkey does have to protect its ISIS allies.
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This always pisses me off, that Turkey fully supports ISIS. Sure, there are elements within Turkey and the military/government that support those assholes, but Turkey as whole has only suffered because of ISIS:

- Bombings
- Millions of refugees
- Instability in the whole region

Etc etc.
 
Guys, 21st century has full reverse back to clash of civilizations. NATO means dick, it's Western vs Sunni Islam vs Shia vs Orthodox East.

This is where is battleline is drawn. Nobody is fighting for alliance from the previous century.
 
Weckum said:
This always pisses me off, that Turkey fully supports ISIS. Sure, there are elements within Turkey and the military/government that support those assholes, but Turkey as whole has only suffered because of ISIS:

- Bombings
- Millions of refugees
- Instability in the whole region

Etc etc.
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Turkey could've cut ISIS's supply lines a long time ago from its own lands, but they would rather see ISIS in control of northern Syria than the YPG and the Kurds. Erdogan declared Jarablus a red line for the Kurds even tho the town is under ISIS control.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...y-cut-islamic-state-supply-lines-erdogan-isis

Also, Tukrey is benefiting immensely from refugee problem as leverage against the whole of Europe. As for instability, it has only affected their regional enemies or competitors, I doubt Erdogan is shedding any tears for the killed Iranian or Iraqi soldiers.
 
Honestly, I'm conflicted over this
If Turkey does invade, then it may actually end up improving the whole situation over there.
Alternatively, it may just fuck stuff up even more, especially with Russia.
 
Human_me said:
Honestly, I'm conflicted over this
If Turkey does invade, then it may actually end up improving the whole situation over there.
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The only way out of this mess is with a political solution, not more guns. This war could go on for a long long time.
 
Human_me said:
Honestly, I'm conflicted over this
If Turkey does invade, then it may actually end up improving the whole situation over there.
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I don't know. A Turkish presence in Syria might also just fuck with the Kurds, who—if what I read is correct—are currently the most promising and engaged anti-IS fighting force on the ground worth supporting.
 
Could Turkey really invoke article 5 over something they instigate themselves?

I know I don't want Canada to have anything to do with Erdogan's adventures in Syria and elsewhere.
 
Apparently Al Nusra has been begging ISIS for help to reconnect them back to Turkey after their supply chains were destroyed. SAA has been making advances and taking cities back in northern Syria.
 
Human_me said:
Honestly, I'm conflicted over this
If Turkey does invade, then it may actually end up improving the whole situation over there.
Alternatively, it may just fuck stuff up even more, especially with Russia.
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Chances are hell no. Turkey won't even go after ISIS. They'll instead go after the YPG/Kurds who are at their borders.

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And yeah, it would just further antagonize the Russians and the Syrian regime and their allies currently there.

ISIS thrives with this kind of fuckery happening around them. It'll make an already messy situation virtually untenable for the future.
 
Turkey should be kicked out of Nato, they are a reckless liability. The US should instead assist Russia in protecting the kurds in Syria and break the ISIS supply and militant routes between Syria and Turkey. Shut the border down.
 
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That sounds like a disaster.

Unless the Turks go all out and annex Syria, they'd have an impossible task of trying to control the various factions that currently exists there.

And let's not forget the massive elephant in the room: the Kurds. Turkey would likely decimate their chances of statehood.
 
Given the fact that they blocked Russian overflights under the Clear Skies agreement it does kind of add up. Going to have to wait and see what develops.
 
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