Russia warns Denmark its warships could become nuclear targets

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Russia warns Denmark its warships could become nuclear targets
Russia tells Denmark not to join Nato missile shield or face becoming a target for Russian missiles

Russia has gone on the offensive in the Baltic, warning Denmark that if it joins Nato’s missile defence shield, its navy will be a legitimate target for a Russian nuclear attack.
“I don’t think that Danes fully understand the consequence if Denmark joins the American-led missile defence shield. If they do, then Danish warships will be targets for Russian nuclear missiles,” said Mikhail Vanin, the Russian ambassador to Denmark, to the Jyllands-Posten newspaper.

Mr Vanin’s statements also come eight months after Denmark announced it would take part in Nato’s missile defence system. Denmark has said that it will install special radar systems on one or more of its frigates, in order to become an integral part of the system.

But Nicolai Wammen, the Defence minister, has been at pains to calm Russia, saying that the move is not targeted at Russia, but at “rogue states, terrorist organisations and others who would have the capacity to fire missiles at Europe and the United States”.
Nevertheless, Mr Vanin made it clear that Russia feels that NATO is encroaching on its borders.
“Denmark is a small country with a small army. OK - you are part of Nato, but a very small part. Moscow will not appreciate you joining the missile defence system - or any of the other countries that take part. It will escalate a situation that is already tense and will make things even worse,” he said.
“I cannot imagine the Cold War coming back again; but there are some who feel that Nato is moving closer and closer to the Russian border and strengthening its position. That creates insecurity in Russia,” he added.
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Full article at the link.

Batshit insane.
 
Strange that the article wrote the acronym for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization as "Nato" 5 times in the article, with 1 random "NATO" mixed in.
 
The West is really intent in winding up Russia to get it drain its resources in increasing military spending while crashing their economy with sanctions. It's incredible how well it's working.
 
I feel sorry for the ordinary Russian. The crooks and cronies of Russia who (until recently) jet across the world acting like mega rich gangsters are all part of the problem. The whole country is a mafia state. It needs this anti western rethoric as it's a massive smoke screen to distract the average bloke from rising up. Even if they did another snake would rise to control the money and the mafia state will continue. The country is a mess.
 
Chittagong said:
The West is really intent in winding up Russia to get it drain its resources in increasing military spending while crashing their economy with sanctions. It's incredible how well it's working.
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Are they actually doing that, i thought putin and the few are just sucking the country dry for themselves and give no fucks about anything else.
 
Yeah, that's actually how it works. The missile defence shield is both a strategic treaty and a weapon system specifically designed to be used against Russia. What else could Russia do but to state the obvious?
 
Russia needs to calm their tits. They've been acting delusional and have regressed since Putin was reinstated.
 
Sometimes I wonder what's wrong with us human beings trying to destroy each other for no apparent reason.
We consider ourselves the masters of this planet yet we act like animals.
I guess we will be our own downfall.
 
IAmRandom31 said:
More reason for them to put up the missile defense shield duh
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Yeah, duh.

"If you join the missile shield, we will target missiles at you!"

Well that's why we WANT the damn thing in the first place. So rogue nations, ie. you, can't shoot missiles at us as easily. Don't want to feel threatened by it? Don't be a rogue nation.

Silly old bear.
 
jelly said:
Are they actually doing that, i thought putin and the few are just sucking the country dry for themselves and give no fucks about anything else.
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Nah. Russia has long maintained that it doesn't like Nato presence on its borders. Just like USA wouldn't like Russian military on its border, or China wouldn't like USA on its border (hence, DPRK). The West has actively been getting more border states to Nato and EU, knowing it aggravates Russia to spend and act hostile, which in turn starts a sequence of ramifications that ensures the Russian economy stays on its knees and will never rise to an economic superpower like China is.
 
I don't see why they're worried. If the US wanted to take over the world we would have done so at the end of WW2.
 
I really hope EU and US would have our backs if it should come to that. My Finnish friend says that Russia bullies them all the time with fear mongering!


Escape Goat said:
Denmark has warships? Like booze cruise ships or ships with missiles? I guess those arent mutually exclusive.
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We do! they made of legos!
 
Escape Goat said:
Denmark has warships? Like booze cruise ships or ships with missiles? I guess those arent mutually exclusive.
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Chittagong said:
Nah. Russia has long maintained that it doesn't like Nato presence on its borders. Just like USA wouldn't like Russian military on its border, or China wouldn't like USA on its border (hence, DPRK). The West has actively been getting more border states to Nato and EU, knowing it aggravates Russia to spend and act hostile, which in turn starts a sequence of ramifications that ensures the Russian economy stays on its knees and will never rise to an economic superpower like China is.
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Yep and its working flawlessly. Imagine if Russia put missile defense in Cuba or Mexico. We'd probably go to war.
 
This is a country that caused a giant international mystery rather than admit its egomaniacal leader could catch a common cold. They Streisand effected his emotional and physical weakness in an attempt to hide it.


The one good thing about last week's madness is that it at least showed the problem in the country really does boil down to one man. And all sorts of things could get rid of that man, except ironically democracy or rule of law. Which he has placed himself above.

Putin is a clown and I hope his countrymen start to realize it. He has more in common with Maduro and Chavez than just politics.
 
Chittagong said:
The West is really intent in winding up Russia to get it drain its resources in increasing military spending while crashing their economy with sanctions. It's incredible how well it's working.
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Except, nothing like that is happening.

Russia's the one making all the aggressive military moves against European countries.

Russia is the one currently pushing Eastern Bloc nations towards NATO.

No one in Europe (especially the smaller countries with small armies) wants to be the next Crimea.

NATO has made absolutely zero aggressive moves towards Russia.
 
The Missile Shield program has always been met with suspicion in Moscow; it gives NATO 1st strike capability and thus all the below states are natural nuclear targets. This is stating the obvious.

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Escape Goat said:
Denmark has warships? Like booze cruise ships or ships with missiles? I guess those arent mutually exclusive.
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Denmark is one of the most active NATO states with a good reputation - especially for it's size.


Also don't forget that a combination of Danish, German, Dutch and Belgian ships pretty much forced the SU out of the Baltic Sea back in the Cold War.
 
Meus Renaissance said:
The Missile Shield program has always been met with suspicion in Moscow; it gives NATO 1st strike capability and thus all the below states are natural nuclear targets. This is stating the obvious.

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It just defends against a first strike and gives warning. Both have secondary measures by sub.
 
I love the posts here putting the blame on NATO for Russia's fuckery. I hope this brings more countries closer with NATO.
 
Thing with Russia is, replace Putin, there is another dodgy leader next in the line. I don't think they'll ever escape it. An iron fist, murder and corruption gets you the job. Greed is too easy. If some noble person changes things, won't be because they stuck to the law. How do you rip out the FSB, mafia, one and the same, oligarchs etc. and then not take it all for yourself and friends.
 
jelly said:
Thing with Russia is, replace Putin, there is another dodgy leader next in the line. I don't think they'll ever escape it. An iron fist, murder and corruption gets you the job. Greed is too easy. If some noble person changes things, won't be because they stuck to the law. How do you rip out the FSB, mafia, one and the same, oligarchs etc. and then not take it all for yourself and friends.
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True. Russia without Putin is probably a worst place.

Let that paint a picture for you all at how fucking terrible Russia is.
 
Norml said:
It just defends against a first strike and gives warning. Both have secondary measures by sub.
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And if you retaliate, it becomes the first strike.

Basically: you can't strike us, but we can strike you.


Edit: anyway, I'm a bit worried that you don't seem to consider NATO potentially being the one making the initial strike. I'm not talking about current situation or immediate future, but further down the line. It's basically giving the future politicians the option to nuke Russia with minimal risk.
 
It's not as if Denmark ever stopped being a Russian nuclear target, they just saw fit to remind us of that fact. Denmark was included in more or less every USSR battle plan in order to eliminate their harbors to stop NATO reinforcements and to give the Russian Baltic Fleet safe passage through the Kattegat and Skagerrak straits. Considering the small size of the country, it would most likely end up more or less completely wiped off the map.

The USSR plan called Seven Days to the River Rhine provides a specific sample of targets:

  • Esbjerg, to eliminate its harbors
  • Roskilde, for psychological reasons (the town itself has no military targets - it would be a terror strike)
And that's for a limited strike. Any larger exchange would include Copenhagen as well. We should be under no delusions that this has changed and for the record, neutrality means nothing - neutral Austria would have had Vienna annihilated in that plan. I'm Swedish and I know we would be targets as well. We certainly were in other battle plans that included Scandinavia.
 
jelly said:
Thing with Russia is, replace Putin, there is another dodgy leader next in the line. I don't think they'll ever escape it. An iron fist, murder and corruption gets you the job. Greed is too easy. If some noble person changes things, won't be because they stuck to the law. How do you rip out the FSB, mafia, one and the same, oligarchs etc. and then not take it all for yourself and friends.
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Any person that actually that actually turned out to be legitimate would probably be murdered anyway. It's insane how awful that government is. I now expect some false equivalency about the US from the resident Putin supporters.
 
Syriel said:
Except, nothing like that is happening.

Russia's the one making all the aggressive military moves against European countries.

Russia is the one currently pushing Eastern Bloc nations towards NATO.

No one in Europe (especially the smaller countries with small armies) wants to be the next Crimea.

NATO has made absolutely zero aggressive moves towards Russia.
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Chittagong is being broad and simplistic in the description, but you can guarantee that Saudi oil prices, sanctions and other behind the scenes dealings are deliberately hurting Russia, but not to provoke it, rather to weaken it internationally and domestically so that the idea of regime change, democratic regime change, can start to surface. Our best allies in this ironically, are Russian Oligarchs who've seen their net worth implode because of their shitbag leader. The may be having second thoughts about propping him up.
 
Meus Renaissance said:
The Missile Shield program has always been met with suspicion in Moscow; it gives NATO 1st strike capability and thus all the below states are natural nuclear targets. This is stating the obvious.
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The NATO missile shield is not aimed at Russia and would never be anywhere near sufficiently comprehensive for the job the job even if it was. Its target are single digit missile attacks by rogue states, not the thousands of advanced MIRV ICBMs, MRBM, SLBMs and cruise missiles Russia has at its disposal. It does not tilt the terror balance.

At the most it could prevent Russia from deploying a limited nuclear strike on NATO, but that's a good thing even from a terror balance standpoint. A limited strike is a gamble that NATO won't retaliate. If Russia is limited to MAD or nothing the risk of any type of nuclear exchange is lowered.

Russia knows this. They have to know this. Unless they've gone competely insane this is just more political posturing, probably for domestic consumption, similar to that other thread from today about them raising a fuss about benefits for same-sex couples among the UN staff.
 
Stinkles said:
Chittagong is being broad and simplistic in the description, but you can guarantee that Saudi oil prices, sanctions and other behind the scenes dealings are deliberately hurting Russia, but not to provoke it, rather to weaken it internationally and domestically so that the idea of regime change, democratic regime change, can start to surface. Our best allies in this ironically, are Russian Oligarchs who've seen their net worth implode because of their shitbag leader. The may be having second thoughts about propping him up.
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Putin controls the Oligarchs. Not the other way around.
 
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