FunkMiller
Banned
Yes. But Batman V Superman and Suicide Squad were shit, so it all went tits up.
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Yes. But Batman V Superman and Suicide Squad were shit, so it all went tits up.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Won't argue with Suicide Squad, I still feel the cringe from that scene with Joker and Harley "you want to fuck my girl" or something like that.
BvS on the other hand... theatrical is meh but UE is one of my favorite CBM. It is the endless debate, to each their own.
But I think we can both agree that DC and WB should have gone with that plan rather than doing what they did.
SJRB
Gold Member
Only reason BvS was shit was because WB kept meddling. Ultimate Edition is miles better than the theatrical release.
Man I can't fucking believe we got nothing today. Absolutely nothing. Where the FUCK is JJ Abrams?
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FunkMiller
Banned
They should have followed their own highly successful template as established with The Dark Knight trilogy, instead of desperately rushing to copy the MCU with cross over movies. Every step of the way they've tried to copy Marvel out of sheer fucking greed. It's failed time and time again.
FunkMiller
Banned
UE was better, but still suffered from most of the same problems as theatrical. Snyder was the wrong man. But, like I say, they rushed into copying Marvel, and that's why it all went to shit.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Nah, I'm ok with a connected universe. Especially when we see movies like The Batman who can be successful at the same time.
As a DC fan I do want to see the Justice League, Green Lantern interacting with Superman, the Hall of Justice and more, many more things.
DC needs to differ to Marvel on the tone of their movies. Don't chase full comedy, allow Shazam to exist but also Batfleck, grounded Superman, light hearted Flash etc... just how it was done in ZSJL.
SJRB
Gold Member
This is so difficult for me because I recognize the flaws in Snyder but man did he deliver some amazing stuff. His vision for visual flair is second to none. Man of Steel is amazing, and BvS is not the Marvel-formula WB probably wanted but it is a great character piece with a ton of visually amazing sequences.
Ben Affleck as Batman is still an amazing casting that 10000% paid off, he was incredible.
I swear to god even after 6 years every time I feel like flunking out at the gym I watch that little training montage where Bruce goes hard on the dumbbells and that gets me pumped every single time.
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ZywyPL
Banned
Given that Vin Diesel got 54M for a few lines of "I am Groot!", the full standalone move will probably cost 500 Billions, at very least.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
Did they race bend Harry and Norman Osborn in that Spider-Man Freshman Year cartoon?
FunkMiller
Banned
Sadly, he can't tell a decent story for shit, is generally horrible at characterisation, and has the emotional maturity of a nineteen year old.
But if he'd had someone standing over him who actually understood the characters of Superman and Batman, reining him in, I cheerfully concede he could have made a really decent DC movie. He is very good at visuals.
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
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are they going to post links to eBay auctions of comics in real time?
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Wouldn't be surprised lol
I'm shocked they still have a channel YouTube banned their first channel for that.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Chadwick was a great actor and I wish that we would have gotten more from him. But this must be a tricky place to be because they have to be respectful to the real world loss yet reflect it in the fantasy. I don't know that this does it but it is trying to.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
Captain America: New World Order confirmed.
No Armor Wars, Werewolf by Night, GoTG Holiday Special, Feb 2024 movie (presumably Deadpool). I don't think this is the complete list or some projects got canned or move to a different phase.
The holiday special is this December.
Kagey K
Banned
I want this to be good but that trailer wasn't promising.
FunkMiller
Banned
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
So the whole Henry Cavill rumor was bullshit eh? Of course, it was. It sounded like a good idea.
FunkMiller
Banned
Yep. All horseshit. Marvel have the next six years planned out, while DC don't have a Superman, a sex offender for a Flash, a fucking maniac in Aquaman, and the only thing they show at SDCC is two Shazam movies.
It's honestly fucking embarrassing being a DC fan, and I pray Discovery just calls it quits and sells the whole damn thing to Amazon or Apple.
The Batman 2 is the only thing worth shit.
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Salz01
Member
I think or feel DC fucked up a few years ago. They always seemed to have a shaky path. Now people are getting super hero fatigue.
The problem with WB is they have a regime change every couple of years and the way Hollywood egos work is whatever the previous regime was working on gets thrown out because the new regime wants all the credit and money and they don't want to pay or credit people no longer there with any potential success. That's why WB basically ignored LOTR for more than a decade because they assimilated New Line and all of the people responsible for all the Oscars were long gone.
WB was trying to make JJ Abrams their Feige. They gave him $500M and he was working on a Justice League Dark shared universe/crossover between HBO Max and the movies, but then AT&T unloaded Warner to Discovery and now Discovery is cleaning house so there's yet another regime in charge of the DC movies and they have a different vision for them from JJ Abrams' bullshit.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
We know, and if it happen it's not gonna be announced by Jim Lee at a random QA.
Anyway, you won, no more Snyder and the future of DC looks bright:
Must be good to be a "real DC fan".
FunkMiller
Banned
FunkMiller
Banned
Us Batman fans are happy.
But that's about it. The rest is a fucking travesty.
Re-watched it last night and I don't think it'll ever be surpassed as a Batman movie.
KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
DC isn't just Batman. And that movie and Joker both proved you can have a connected universe and also other adaptation standing on their own. The GA is not stupid and know the difference.Us Batman fans are happy.
But that's about it. The rest is a fucking travesty.
So WB should fire with all cylinder; go back to the plan from 2015 and allow Batman 2, a stand alone Superman if they want to etc... while also FINALLY building an universe where we could see all those heroes interact with each other. ZSJL was fuckin awesome FFS.
The Batman 2 is coming and I think it can improve just as much as TDK was an improvement over Begins.
FunkMiller
Banned
Only for a very few people. It was a creative cul de sac that was never all that popular with most of the audience. And you need to have mass appeal for this stuff to do well.
They should have moved away from it completely, but they have no vision or strategy. They half ass everything. That's why they're in so much trouble.
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KyoZz
Tag, you're it.
Disagree. You may not like the movie but it is very popular and well received. It is absolutely not a creative cul-de-sac, WB don't want to continue the story, that's not the same.
Yeah right now, but in 2016 there was an established plan (posting it again since you may not saw it apparently)
And this is good! This is what I want from DC and what most fans want: JL II & III, Cyborg, MoS II or Green Lantern for example. Just look at the reaction literally everywhere after this SDCC.
To think that if they followed that plan, we would have Flashpoint coming soon with a soft reboot for the DCEU if they wanted to (getting rid of Ezra/Heard etc... in an easy way)
But they chose to chase the humor and tone of the MCU, trying to fix it all by slaughtering the first ever Justice League live-action movie... WTF was Wonder Woman 84 seriously. Throwing shit at a wall to see what stick....
The problem with DC is that Marvel is beating them to the punch with a lot of concepts and DC doesn't seem to want to take risks with their more unique properties. I imagine a Lantern Corp film woulda looked too much like GotG, Zatanna or Constantine was beaten by Dr. Strange, etc. Superman is too hard a character to crack and shouldn't be a centerpiece, he is the big gun brought in selectively IMHO. DC has the potential, I feel like they are chasing the wrong demo. They need to aim younger with more kid friendly stuff.
The GLC was more like Training Day in space with Hal training Stewart. The movie had to go back to re-writes as in the original version Hal died which is why Tom Cruise turned it down.
So Hal turns out to be a brutal abuser of his authority? Otherwise I don't see the Training Day parallels and such a story would totally undermine the entire concept of the Lantern Corp. I get a desire for a "buddy cop" relationship but Training Day?....ooph.
They said the tone was more serious like Training Day than something like Lethal Weapon.