Sarkeesian cancels speech after mass-shooting threat due to cop refusing to ban gun

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Amazing Atheist made a comparison video between Anita and Marilyn Manson based on what happened in this event.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5H1PkyVzR-8

Kind of random but I'm curious what are people's thoughts on this? It doesn't necessarily criticize Anita per say, but basically her action to give in to these kind of threats shows that apparently, she is willing to bend over to these threats, baseless threats or not. I myself would have still canceled the event in Anita's position anyway but I'm a coward, and very paranoid. XD

I think it does bring up a question however for those people that do give in to death threats and to those who don't though. How much do you value your beliefs over your own life? How do you want people who look up to you, want to view you and your actions or lack there of?

Curious on what people's thoughts are to these questions. :D

Disclosure: I do think these death threats however to Anita are so stupid and horrendously wrong. No good can come out of these. :(
 
I think she could have thumbed her nose at them by still holding her talk in some manner, either remotely or recorded to put up on her channel for all to see. Though ideally the organization bringing her in would have secured a private venue where every aspect of security could be controlled.
 
Valhelm said:
Oh, true. Objectively, her injecting a microchip into herself is no less normal than getting a haircut or undergoing any type of cosmetic surgery. But because that procedure is very unusual in our culture and doesn't have a huge amount of practical applications yet, it's a bit strange.
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It is utterly irrelevant regarding this topic, first and foremost.

JNA said:
Amazing Atheist made a comparison video between Anita and Marilyn Manson based on what happened in this event.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5H1PkyVzR-8

Kind of random but I'm curious what are people's thoughts on this? It doesn't necessarily criticize Anita per say, but basically her action to give in to these kind of threats shows that apparently, she is willing to bend over to these threats, baseless threats or not. I myself would have still canceled the event in Anita's position anyway but I'm a coward, and very paranoid. XD

I think it does bring up a question however for those people that do give in to death threats and to those who don't though. How much do you value your beliefs over your own life? How do you want people who look up to you, want to view you and your actions or lack there of?

Curious on what people's thoughts are to these questions. :D
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She gave in once. She has just have one life. Other events, where precautions had been taking, she appeared. She is guaranteed more brave than the entirety of the poster in this thread.

And lol at linking a Amazing Atheist video.
 
Some of the responses in this thread are unbelievable. When you value the second amendment more than free speech and most importantly human life, you need to get your priorities straight.
 
Diablos said:
Some of the responses in this thread are unbelievable. When you value the second amendment more than free speech and most importantly human life, you need to get your priorities straight.
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I wonder what it would take to finally get some gun control reform? I mean what's the final straw that would lead into changes in the 2nd Amendment? Anything at all?
 
sorry b, i'm not watching a youtube video by someone called "Amazing Atheist" lmao

his criticisms towards feminism and Anita are probably fedorable

JNA said:
I wonder what it would take to finally get some gun control reform? I mean what's the final straw that would lead into changes in the 2nd Amendment? Anything at all?
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when the black panthers come back and encourage American black and muslim citizens to open carry.
 
JNA said:
Kind of random but I'm curious what are people's thoughts on this? It doesn't necessarily criticize Anita per say, but basically her action to give in to these kind of threats shows that apparently, she is willing to bend over to these threats, baseless threats or not. I myself would have still canceled the event in Anita's position anyway but I'm a coward, and very paranoid. XD
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She's human. That's the long and short of it. Let's for a second realize that Anita is inundated with threats everyday yet moves forward. Even threatened in things tangentially related to her work. More than I've ever had said to me in 26 years of life. The fact that she even still does her videos or attempts events is a sign of her conviction. Even then, isn't she allowed to bend once in a while? The only two times that I've heard of Anita actually listening to a threat are: When someone threatened her family and showed her physical address and when a entire school of students were in the crossfire of a school shooter wannabe. Is that not enough for someone to give in at least once? Under threat of her family or others? Is that not enough for someone to have genuine fear? Why is it that so many people feel she should be "stronger" for some reason? She still makes her videos. No doubt she'll continue writing articles, do public appearances and be on panels later. She's not quitting and that's fucking admirable in my opinion because I don't even know what I'd do.
 
EdibleKnife said:
She's human. That's the long and short of it. Let's for a second realize that Anita is inundated with threats everyday. Even in things tangentially related to her work. More than I've ever had said to me in 26 years of life. The fact that she even still does her videos or attempts events is a sign of her conviction. Even then, isn't she allowed to bend once in a while? The only two times that I've heard of Anita actually listening to a threat are: When someone threatened her family and showed her physical address and when a entire school of students were in the crossfire of a school shooter wannabe. Is that not enough for someone to give in at least once? Under threat of her family or others? Is that not enough for someone to have genuine? Why is it that so many people feel she should be "stronger" for some reason? She still makes her videos. No doubt she'll continue writing articles, do public appearances and be on panels later. She's not quitting and that's fucking admirable in my opinion because I don't even know what I'd do.
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I wasn't aware about that other death threat in bold. When did this happen? 0_0 That's pretty depressing to hear.
 
JNA said:
I wonder what it would take to finally get some gun control reform? I mean what's the final straw that would lead into changes in the 2nd Amendment? Anything at all?
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I don't know. After Newtown nothing changed, and if that couldn't make anything happen, I'm not sure if anything will. Gun control reform would be harder to accomplish than health care reform -- something that finally happened which had been attempted numerous times since the days of FDR. I think we're stuck with insane gun laws at the state level because of a Supreme Court with an asinine libertarian streak.
 
Zoe said:
I think she could have thumbed her nose at them by still holding her talk in some manner, either remotely or recorded to put up on her channel for all to see. Though ideally the organization bringing her in would have secured a private venue where every aspect of security could be controlled.
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Some sort of videoconference thing could had worked fine too.
 
JNA said:
The fuck? 0_0 That's also quite disturbing. Did they ever catch that guy who posted that?
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Don't believe so. Either it's news that I missed, news that wasn't reported, or the authorities are still searching (which I doubt) She talked to the police at the time but the response was tepid at that time so I think Anita and Co. just left for some time and returned to beef up security or the police did follow up and they kept all the fallout under their hats.
 
So I finally read up on all this including her and this gamergate thing.

It seems that

1. She is not a gamer but makes videos because she is somehow concerned how women are portrayed in video games and Only recently did she add the concern of how women journalists are treated in videogaming industry
2. The ones over reacting to her badly constructed arguments seem to be proving her point that there is indeed a lot of misogyny among gamers.
3. It seems to be a perfect clash of her views which are not perfect with the reactions which seems to prove her imperfect views on the industry.
 
Maninthemirror said:
So I finally read up on all this including her and this gamergate thing.

It seems that

1. She is not a gamer but makes videos because she is somehow concerned how women are portrayed in video games and Only recently did she add the concern of how women journalists are treated in videogaming industry
2. The ones over reacting to her badly constructed arguments seem to be proving her point that there is indeed a lot of misogyny among gamers.
3. It seems to be a perfect clash of her views which are not perfect with the reactions which seems to prove her imperfect views on the industry.
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Why isn't she a gamer, again?
 
Red Mage said:
I don't see how open carry would stop the police from frisking anyone:



So, it sounds less like a problem with the law and more with the cops refusing to put much effort into it.
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The law is merely a reflection of culture. And our culture is fucked up.
 
I hate these bleeding heart capitulation claims people have been making here.

She was perfectly willing to make a stand as long as she had an acceptable level of control on her environment. When she wasn't going to get it she decided to not put her supporters lives on the line, you know the actual people who were being threatened in the first place.

She was fully aware that if she did her speech and had gotten the security she wanted that there is nothing to top a shooter from forcing their way in from the outside. Atleast that way her audience and herself would have some advance warning in getting away from the psycho.

Bloody hell.
 
Maninthemirror said:
The ones over reacting to her badly constructed arguments seem to be proving her point that there is indeed a lot of misogyny among gamers.
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Whatever her arguments are right or wrong is irrelevant to this thread. She's probably still not a gamer as in she doesn't play games for the enjoyment of doing so.

Also, the problem isn't the misoginy present in gamers, rather the incredibly vocal and manipulative minority that tries to silence her with threats of violence.
 
Nudull said:
Yeah, how dare she fear for her safety knowing how capable people are? :P
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Come on, let's avoid the silly comments. Yeah, she was fearing for her safety, and even though I'm not against her, I don't think she is THAT important to make such huge chances. Is not like she's a politician or a religious figure. She's just someone that no one knows about except the gamer community.

Also, imagine the amount of uproar that would cause if they casually banned guns "just" because of her?
 
dokish said:
Come on, let's avoid the silly comments. Yeah, she was fearing for her safety, and even though I'm not against her, I don't think she is THAT important to make such huge chances. Is not like she's a politician or a religious figure. She's just someone that no one knows about except the gamer community.

Also, imagine the amount of uproar that would cause if they casually banned guns "just" because of her?
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I'd say she is a pretty big public figure now.
 
Maninthemirror said:
from this video in 2013 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcPIu3sDkEw unless she started to play a lot more games since then to create videos about it
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As you can tell from my posting history, I'm as anti-GG as they come. And I've loved every one of Anita's videos.

However, has she ever addressed that video of her saying she didn't like games at all? Whenever I hear her talk about games, she's always describing the games she's played recently and seems pretty knowledgeable about them. She also says she's played games her whole life, which that video of her definitely seems to contradict. Was there a context that's missing from that video?

Did she just start playing games in earnest recently? It seems to me that she should just come out and say that, as it would give these GGers one less "conspiracy" to go on about.
 
wildfire said:
I hate these bleeding heart capitulation claims people have been making here.

She was perfectly willing to make a stand as long as she had an acceptable level of control on her environment. When she wasn't going to get it she decided to not put her supporters lives on the line, you know the actual people who were being threatened in the first place.

She was fully aware that if she did her speech and had gotten the security she wanted that there is nothing to top a shooter from forcing their way in from the outside. Atleast that way her audience and herself would have some advance warning in getting away from the psycho.

Bloody hell.
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But you know many don't come in these threads and form their arguments from bottom up assessing the situation at hand first and constructing response according to what's suitable for that particular case. People come in with pre-existing notions of certain buzzwords, we have three on the thread title "Sarkeesian", "mass-shooting" and "gun ban". And then they nitpick their way through the story to find something supporting or defending their pre-existing ideas.

For example if you tend to think Anita Sarkeesian is a "professional victim" (or something like that) your first reaction tend to be that this is just another case self promotion and advancing her agenda. And in your own mind you think you're right because "why else would she make such a big deal out of this?"

Same kind of notions apply to much of the gun control discussion, and to be frank to any political discussion that divide people. It's much more emotional than rational.
 
Diablos said:
Some of the responses in this thread are unbelievable. When you value the second amendment more than free speech and most importantly human life, you need to get your priorities straight.
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Ugh. She could have given the speech via video conference or let security do their job and actually given it on campus. Her rights to free speech weren't taken away, she chose not to use them.

I do agree that some form of gun reform is needed in the US (though I'm sure not as extreme as the majority of GAF), but with the preventative measures already in place at the event I don't see how her right to free speech was encroached upon.
 
I think it's interesting that so many people are focusing on her wanting her own safety when it was a mass shooting that was threatened. This is about not putting other people in harm's way too.
 
Haloid1177 said:
Ugh. She could have given the speech via video conference or let security do their job and actually given it on campus. Her rights to free speech weren't taken away, she chose not to use them.

I do agree that some form of gun reform is needed in the US (though I'm sure not as extreme as the majority of GAF), but with the preventative measures already in place at the event I don't see how her right to free speech was encroached upon.
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What preventative measures? It seems to me things like metal detectors would have been "preventative measures"
 
Haloid1177 said:
Seems that there would have been security at the event. Hence preventive measures.
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Security guards stationed around the perimeter or whatever are not going to be able to stop a shooter in the crowd from killing at least a handful of people before they reach him. Remember, what was threatened was a "mass shooting"
 
The Technomancer said:
Security guards stationed around the perimeter or whatever are not going to be able to stop a shooter in the crowd from killing at least a handful of people before they reach him. Remember, what was threatened was a "mass shooting"
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Kinda disagree, but I can't make an adequate comment on how effective the security would be unless they stated how many they would have in the event.

And again, I'm not saying she should have gone (would have respected her a tad more if she had), just that there were preventive measures in place, she just deemed them inadequate, which is fine.
 
Fiction said:
She plays games, and grew up playing them, and is obviously passionate about the genre. It's not like she's someone who's never touched a game trying to take away your toys for reasons. She's criticizing lazy tropes in video games, as they relate to women. That's it.


The way people are reacting it's as if she's demanding congress ban all video games or some shit. She even talks about enjoying the games she criticizes despite these things.
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"I played 3 hours of Risk of Rain last night instead of going out and meeting girls. I'm totally more qualified to talk about a woman's perspective in games."
 
The Technomancer said:
Yeah its possibly true that if someone had a gun and instigated violence someone else who was carrying a gun might have been able to stop them

You know what would have been even more effective?

Making sure no guns made it into the proceedings in the first place
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Ok? I like the easy zingers, but you are trading one assumption for another here.
 
Stet said:
"I played 3 hours of Risk of Rain last night instead of going out and meeting girls. I'm totally more qualified to talk about a woman's perspective in games."
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Erin S Kittens said:
Why isn't she a gamer, again?
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she's a woman

Kurdel said:
Calling Anita a coward made my jaw drop.

This guy has lost it.

"Someone will make an art-faggy movie about me"
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jesus is that what that video says?

respect for the junior who posted that = 0
 
Kurdel said:
Calling Anita a coward made my jaw drop.

This guy has lost it.

"Someone will make an art-faggy movie about me"
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He's just speaking from his own perspective. AA has had to receive ungodly amounts of hate and threats over the years, his private endeavours have been made public and he has also had to face some serious backlash after associating with people like the Finnish school shooter. He simply doesn't give a fuck and I respect that as you cant stop him nor will he care about the ramifications of his videos. That being said, from time to time he can come across as rather unforgiving or heartless as he sort of does not understand emotional weakness.. A lot of atheists who come from fundamentalist or conservative backgrounds have that mindset as they are strong personalities who have fought through social conditioning. And AA absolutely hates feminism like many of his fellow non believers so that also plays a part, they believe it is intellectually bankrupt and might even put it in the same bracket with religious dogma.
 
ICKE said:
He's just speaking from his own perspective. AA has had to receive ungodly amounts of hate and threats over the years, his private endeavours have been made public and he has also had to face some serious backlash after associating with people like the Finnish school shooter. He simply doesn't give a fuck and I respect that as you cant stop him nor will he care about the ramifications of his videos. That being said, from time to time he can come across as rather unforgiving or heartless as he sort of does not understand emotional weakness..
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i'm still not sure why this guy deserves respect? for doubling down on his idiocy? for his LACK of perspective?

sounds like any other fedora toting misognyst turned (lol) "youtube celebrity"


edit: watched the video, made it 17 seconds in. dude needs to get laid.

wildfire said:
I can't tell if this is a serious response or not because of your previous response to Stet's post.
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i'm a feminist
 
ICKE said:
He's just speaking from his own perspective. AA has had to receive ungodly amounts of hate and threats over the years, his private endeavours have been made public and he has also had to face some serious backlash after associating with people like the Finnish school shooter. He simply doesn't give a fuck and I respect that as you cant stop him nor will he care about the ramifications of his videos. That being said, from time to time he can come across as rather unforgiving or heartless as he sort of does not understand emotional weakness.. A lot of atheists who come from fundamentalist or conservative backgrounds have that mindset as they are strong personalities who have fought through social conditioning. And AA absolutely hates feminism like many of his fellow non believers so that also plays a part.
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Amazing Atheist is serious? I thought he was a performance art parody of a basement neckbeard atheist MRA type.
 
jon bones said:
i'm still not sure why this guy deserves respect? for doubling down on his idiocy? for his LACK of perspective?

sounds like any other fedora toting misognyst turned (lol) "youtube celebrity"


edit: watched the video, made it 17 seconds in. dude needs to get laid.
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I agree that his messaging leaves a lot of room for improvement, at times it reminds me almost of social darwinism. Then again he does not think too highly of humanity according to his own words. I respect his resilience regardless.
 
ICKE said:
I agree that his messaging leaves a lot of room for improvement, at times it reminds me almost of social darwinism. Then again he does not think too highly of humanity according to his own words. I respect his resilience regardless.
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Do you respect cockroaches that survive getting stepped on as well
 
Labor said:
Do you respect cockroaches that survive getting stepped on as well
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I respect people who have enough will power to break through their social conditioning, especially when their immediate family and surrounding operates as peer pressure. I might not agree with their political views but he is an independent person who will not back down despite what you do. And people have tried.. Now that can also be seen as a negative, he sees some social movements as borderline indoctrination and will simply not entertain the idea that they have any intellectual validity. "You are not going to guilt trip me into submission, I'm above your bullshit" sort of sentiments. I've seen this a lot in atheist circles.
 
ICKE said:
I respect people who have enough will power to break through their social conditioning, especially when their immediate family and surrounding operates as peer pressure. I might not agree with their political views but he is an independent person, who will not compromise. Now that can also be seen as a negative, he sees some social movements as borderline indoctrination and will simply not entertain the idea that they have any intellectual validity. "You are not going to guilt trip me into submission, I'm above your bullshit" sort of sentiments. I've seen this a lot in atheist circles.
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stubbornness against gender equality is not an admirable trait, no matter how you or he tries to spin it.

that he think this makes him intellectually suprerior only highlights his immaturity.
 
jon bones said:
stubbornness against gender equality is not an admirable trait, no matter how you or he tries to spin it.

that he think this makes him intellectually suprerior only highlights his immaturity.
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Gender equality is a positive term but not adequate to describe different forms of feminism, especially when Internet activism is consider. I don't have the time to take part in those endless E-wars but apparently AA is the same sort of beast as Sarkeesian, there is hardly any middle ground to be found and mostly the comment sections are just full of people screaming to one another.

But I do understand the general sentiment against him, this "suck it up and stop being weak" mentality does not make the world go around even if it worked for most people. And in this specific case the threat was not only directed toward Sarkeesian but other students within the campus.
 
ICKE said:
Gender equality is a positive term but not adequate to describe different forms of feminism, especially when Internet activism is consider. I don't have the time to take part in those endless E-wars but apparently AA is the same sort of beast as Sarkeesian, there is hardly any middle ground to be found and mostly the comment sections are just full of people screaming to one another.
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You mean the comment sections that don't exist on Anita's videos
 
Fiction said:
Everyone is apparently more qualified to talk about women's perspective in games. Except, you know...women.
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Now that we've settled this silly "misogyny in gaming" debate, let's move on to debunking the "War on Women" with this All Star Panel.

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JNA said:
Amazing Atheist made a comparison video between Anita and Marilyn Manson based on what happened in this event.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5H1PkyVzR-8
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Rationalizing why she's undeserving of being a role model because of the way she reacts to a mass shooting threat? Oh yeah no, that totally makes sense. Also, I can't find anything about bomb threats to the Men's Rights thing, but a bomb threat is definetly not the same as a mass shooting.

Also, and I don't know how it is over there, but at Mansons' concert weapons where prohibited and he had a bunch of undercover officers plus his bodyguards.

ICKE said:
Gender equality is a positive term but not adequate to describe different forms of feminism, especially when Internet activism is consider. I don't have the time to take part in those endless E-wars but apparently AA is the same sort of beast as Sarkeesian, there is hardly any middle ground to be found and mostly the comment sections are just full of people screaming to one another.
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What does his personality have anything at all to do with her getting death threats?

KingGondo said:
Now that we've settled this silly "misogyny in gaming" debate, let's move on to debunking the "War on Women" with this All Star Panel.

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Eh, Fox News.
 
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