Sarkeesian cancels speech after mass-shooting threat due to cop refusing to ban gun
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woah woah woah
patting down people after a mass shooting was threatened is a "knee jerk reaction"?
what is wrong with yall
shhh no reason, only crazy now
Devolution
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Guns honestly have no place on a campus. Yell about the 2nd amendment all you want, I'd feel very uncomfortable that a college campus is more concerned about letting people carry weapons on campus than my own safety. Only a matter of time before someone called their shit out I guess and lo and behold it worked in the favor someone making terrorist threats. Good job.
The 2nd amendment didn't void out her 1st amendment rights. She could have still spoken but chose not to because of the threats, which is a good reason not to but it was still a personal decision on her part. You may be jumping the gun there (maybe pun intended).
Cops probably should have made an exception given the circumstances though.
Eighty Deuce
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Bomb threats are illegal, concealed carry is a state regulated license. She isn't above the law nor can she nullify it on a whim.
Last I checked threatening to shoot up a school is illegal, too.
Haloid1177
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No the fact that they are both amendments means they are both important rights, and you should not have to sacrifice one in favor of the other. Look, if we were forced to choose, of course I'd pick 1 > 2, but the fact is we should not have to.
Oh the reason for all the second amendment talk is because of all the "infringing upon first amendment" talk.
I agree we should not have to, but when crazies start trying to censor people and hiding behind the second amendment, it's time to possibly take a look at how we view it.
Dude Abides
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The logic of responding to one incorrect thing with another equally incorrect thing escapes me.
She didn't nullify the law or even attempt to.
She asked the police if they could provide further security.
They informed her they couldn't because of Utah law.
She canceled the event (presumably because of safety concerns for herself and her audience) and complained about the law on Twitter.
What did she do wrong again?
Haloid1177
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Crazy people have always attempted censorship. Except it isn't really censorship because they really don't have any control in the matter. They don't have any legal grounds, and the appropriate measures were taken by the school in regards to a possible threat.
The 2nd Amendment isn't unalienable
We've gotten rid of amendments before.
Concealed carry is nowhere in the constitution. Also, the Supreme Court has already determined that restrictions can be placed on guns. It would be perfectly legal to ban guns from campuses while still letting you own one.
Eighty Deuce
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That's nice, but it doesn't permit illegal search and seizure.
Haloid1177
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But Utah deemed it legal so that idea does not matter in this case.
Devolution
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Then the campus could just not allow guns on school grounds like plenty of other colleges/unis.
Zoe
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That's up to the entire state.
The Technomancer
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If they're armed they do
That's like arguing that the guy with a gun demanding your wallet doesn't really have any leverage on you since your free to disobey
This facetious line of thinking doesn't work because then you can just say gun owners weren't compelled to go to the speech either. It would be their personal choice to not go.
The state determined it would have been legal to prohibit guns from the presentation.
Haloid1177
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It was the threat of a gun, not an actual gun.
A guy pointing a gun at my face vs. "I have a gun man gimme your wallet" with nothing in his hands. There is a difference in leverage.
We should be going after the University of Utah for prohibiting people from bringing weapons into its football stadium then.
Hey now, let's not bring facts into this.
Eighty Deuce
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Utah has a preemption law regarding firearms
http://le.utah.gov/code/TITLE76/htm/76_10_050000.htm
http://le.utah.gov/code/TITLE53/htm/53_05a010200.htm
So those rules can't be enforced.
Weird, so you're telling me the right to carry a gun ANYWHERE YOU WANT without consequence isn't absolute?
Eighty Deuce
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Unless the state of Utah says otherwise or appoints a local authority with permission to restrict it.
So...you're telling me it's not absolute?
Eighty Deuce
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I love how people vilify the NRA to comic book evil levels. Hate to break it to you but Utah which has a massive Mormon community is very pro gun. After all Americans greatest guns came from John Moses Browning, a famed Mormon.
The state has the final say regarding firearms, there's nothing else to it
Nobody in my circle of gun owners is a member of the NRA and we all left long ago. The NRA only fights for the sales of gun manufacturers, not the rights of gun owners.
And yes, we already know how many Mormons are into being preppers, who constantly have a stockpile of food in all houses because they assume it'll be needed just around the corner. A made up threat of imminent doomsday is sure to result in rational thoughts on the proliferation of guns.
That's wrong - guns are banned at all Mormon churches and universities.
Concealed carry is not allowed at BYU. Both Mormon universities have a religious exemption from the state that public universities don't have.
I would hope the people of the great state of Utah would be interested in protecting someone advocating equal treatment of women from death threats, then. I'm sure they'll do the right thing
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Are you dense in the head?
edit: Just noticed you are banned.
....The question still stands tho
Eighty Deuce
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Pretty much everyone I know from the gun community is a NRA or Gun owners of America member. So it may be a regional thing that you haven't met anyone. Also Mormons have their own reasons for prepping, me not being one can't comment on why that is so. It's obvious that their legislature represents their ideals, so the statements about the NRA owns them is blatantly false.
I posted about the state authorizing officials to ban guns in certain places. The Mormon church happens to be one.
While I agree that this was almost certainly a troll, there have been plenty of mass shooting by people with CCW permits. I believe it's less "I wanna kill someone, better fill out the forms," but rather people who get CCW and then later down the line snap.
Yeah Republicans and the NRA aren't closely related at all
NRA big hitters go straight down the aisle.
Nearly 12 million dollars. $12,000,000 spent by the NRA, given to Republicans, to try and get Obama out of office. TWELVE MILLION.
Your circle of gun owners should start a new group that actually speaks for their interests.
Colonel Pablo
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So that means her first amendment rights can be taken away as well right?
Or how about any of our rights guaranteed in the Constitution?
This is the slippery slope that worries me. Where does it end?
Again, the cop wouldn't even check for gun. This isn't just "License owners are good guys" issue.
Just about anything in there can be changed, or repealed. We had to remove being counted as 3/5ths a person just for your skin color, for example. It's a living document. It's not set in stone. If you went back two hundred years, Americans would reject our current Constitution as undoable compared to theirs.
Two hundred years ago, you were legally considered less than human simply because of your parents.
One hundred years ago, you were legally prohibited from voting because you were born with a vagina, and there was a CONSIDERABLE amount of people that thought letting women vote would unravel society. There are still women alive today who at some point in their life were not legally able to vote.
Today, women are STILL legally able to be discriminated against because you are still not given equal rights solely because you were born with a vagina.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Morrigan Stark
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Sorry if it's been posted before (did a search in this thread and found nothing) but the Rolling Stone interview of Anita is really cool, I think:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/anita-sarkeesian-gamergate-interview-20141017
Far from a raging censor-happy feminazi harpy her detractors try to paint her as, she comes across as very thoughtful and reasonable.
Therefore, I can't wait to see how they're gonna spin this. xD
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/anita-sarkeesian-gamergate-interview-20141017
Far from a raging censor-happy feminazi harpy her detractors try to paint her as, she comes across as very thoughtful and reasonable.
Therefore, I can't wait to see how they're gonna spin this. xD
YesNOnoNOYes
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Very level-headed interview, thanks for sharing link, Morri~ Im glad big-name places such as Rolling Stone are starting to pick up on feminism issues in pop culture spheres such as the toxic gamer culture. GamerGate being pointed as an industry's sexist temper tantrum in more notable publication is sort of a reflective mirror on the whole stink.... like, I hope gamers can see how BAD they are portrayed in the mainstream news dialog now.
I stay away from social media as much as I can but I happened across this tweet from game developer Neil Druckmann and... mmmboooyyy those comments :|
The article by Rolling Stone is great and she always seems incredibly knowledgeable about both sides of her situation and the greater issues at large with the whole GamerGate shit show.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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She was on Melissa Harris-Perry's show as well.
http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/watch/can-gaming-industry-culture-be-changed--344876611726
http://www.msnbc.com/melissa-harris-perry/watch/can-gaming-industry-culture-be-changed--344876611726
TransTrender
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At this point all the crazy shit coming out of this controversy seems like an obvious troll by people on 4Chan and equivalents in order to make a train wreck of social justice warriors regardless if they're genuine or not.
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