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[Azih]

So, what you're saying is that it is okay to insult the Prophet PBUH as long as long as no one insults those who hurl those insults?

I am saying that there is no justification for using terms that are offensive and insulting to a large group of people if you care at all for harmony, peace, and reducing the absurd amount of mutual hate and paranoia that is causing millions and millions of people to suffer as we speak. Your use of those terms makes the world a worse place to live in. The terms you are justifiying are the ones that are used to justify attacks like this one in Saudi Arabia, it is impirinted on the ISIS jackasses.

Analogously, if someone hurls insults at the Prophet PBUH, we should all sit quietly and not be bothered by it.

Let God judge those people.

Do you even realize the importance of the companions and the wives of the Prophet PBUH in Islam?

Yes. And there's nothing in there that justifies the use of polarizing, demeaning, and insulting slurs.

God is the judge of all things, not us, do you agree with that?

 

[GSG Flash]

Tell me, why did the Shi'a of Iraq go on a murdering spree when one of their shrines was destroyed where there was not a single fatality?

And it's kind of contradictory of you to say that words don't kill people and yet get on the case of Saudi shaykhs who are also using words.

What does any of this has to do with my post? Why are you attempting to dance around my post in the first place?

Is blowing up the mosque(twice) not an act of violence? Why are you asking me about Iraqi Shias murdering Sunnis? I'm not condoning what they did, they're murderers who should be thrown in jail for life. Either way, this has nothing to do with my post or the topic of this thread in general and is just another attempt by you to deflect criticism and to justify the actions of extremist Sunnis.

I'm not contradicting anything, I never mentioned anything about the Saudi sheikhs tweets as I don't even understand Arabic.

 

[Terra Firma]

I am saying that there is no justification for using terms that are offensive and insulting to a large group of people if you care at all for harmony, peace, and reducing the absurd amount of mutual hate and paranoia that is causing millions and millions of people to suffer as we speak. Your use of those terms makes the world a worse place to live in. The terms you are justifiying are the ones that are used to justify attacks like this one in Saudi Arabia, it is impirinted on the ISIS jackasses.

Let God judge those people.

Yes. And there's nothing in there that justifies the use of polarizing, demeaning, and insulting slurs.

God is the judge of all things, not us, do you agree with that?

This isn't Christianity. There's a reason there is Islamic law. God is the judge of what is in the hearts of people, but we are allowed to judge based on words and actions - what is the dhaahir, the apparent - based ON the law given to us from God.

What makes the world a worse place to live is the incitatory rhetoric of those who disrespect the companions, who believe in them becoming apostates, who believe that the wives are in hellfire.

What does any of this has to do with my post? Why are you attempting to dance around my post in the first place?

Is blowing up the mosque(twice) not an act of violence? Why are you asking me about Iraqi Shias murdering Sunnis? I'm not condoning what they did, they're murderers who should be thrown in jail for life. Either way, this has nothing to do with my post or the topic of this thread in general and is just another attempt by you to deflect criticism and to justify the actions of extremist Sunnis.

I'm not contradicting anything, I never mentioned anything about the Saudi sheikhs tweets as I don't even understand Arabic.

Then you have obviously not been following the conversation. My posts have been in response to that one guy who said that Saudi shaykhs should not be tweeting anti-Shi'a statements. Where the hell are you getting this idea that I'm justifying this attack in any way? I condemn this attack, I condemn attacks against all innocent civilians, but I do take issue with condemning those Saudi shaykhs for tweeting what they did against the Shi'a (which was before this event happened) and laying the blame at their feet.

The only reason Iraq keeps getting brought up is because it is one of the countries that has a Sunni minority that is oppressed by the Shi'a majority and because ISIS claimed responsibility in this attack. And because some posters in this thread seem to think that there is no such thing as persecution of Sunnis (not you).

 

[Azih]

This isn't Christianity. There's a reason there is Islamic law. God is the judge of what is in the hearts of people, but we are allowed to judge based on words and actions - what is the dhaahir, the apparent - based ON the law given to us from God.

Every system of Islamic Law has an emphasis on the words 'In the end Allah knows best'. It involves a level of humility and caution that you are not displaying. You do not know how God will judge you let alone anyone else and yet here you are insisting that you are in the right to hurl hate at people who you have no hesitation in judging.

Theological differences in opinion on the character of historical figures in no way makes this world a worse place. Spitting hate at groups of people does

 

[Terra Firma]

Every system of Islamic Law has an emphasis on the words 'In the end Allah knows best'. It involves a level of humility and caution that you are not displaying. You do not know how God will judge you let alone anyone else and yet here you are insisting that you are in the right to hurl hate at people who you have no hesitation in judging.

Theological differences in opinion on the character of historical figures in no way makes this world a worse place. Spitting hate at groups of people does

Really? You think "theological differences of opinion on the character of historical figures" is insignificant yet "spitting hate at groups of people" in response to their "spitting hate" at those historical figures is worse?

You don't seem to understand what "Allah knows best" signifies. Is theft forbidden? Yes. Has it been specifically mentioned to be forbidden? Yes. So, Allah knows best and he has told us that theft is forbidden. Therefore, we judge based on this. A thief is punished. Of course, Islam is a religion of mercy and if the thief recognizes that what he has done is wrong and exhibits remorse, then there is room for pardon. But what of belligerence and stubbornness? If someone is a pathological kleptomaniac, do you want to turn a blind eye? If someone makes it part and parcel of his belief to hate and insult those who you revere as those who are some of the closest to Allah, then what does it speak of your love that you refuse to even speak out against those who do so?

When it comes to areas of Islam where there IS a valid difference of opinion, then Allah knowing best signifies that the scholar has come to a conclusion based on his understanding of what Allah has provided but he is a human and thus his understanding may be deficient - and truly Allah knows best. In the case of insulting the companions and the wives when the Qur'an itself has defended both groups - even calling the latter as "mothers of the believers" - to simply say that those who are hurling insults are doing something that is remotely defensible is going against what Allah Himself has said. Do you not know of the incidence of Ifk? Allah responded to the lies of the hypocrites against Aisha and revealed her innocence, all the while condemning the hypocrites to the hellfire. And then we find that despite all this "inflammatory" speech, the hypocrites were NOT killed (the Prophet PBUH even stopped a companion who was riled up and wanted to attack one of the hypocrites who was his own father).

Similarly, if someone insults the companions and the wives of the Prophet PBUH constantly and makes it part of his creed, is it not considered a great injustice? We are commanded by the Prophet PBUH to take a stand against justice with our hands or with our tongues or in our hearts - with that being the least of faith. Therefore, those who insult the companions of the Prophet PBUH or his noble wives, we have to take a stand. In this case, speaking out against such belief is completely in order.

 

[Azih]

Really? You think "theological differences of opinion on the character of historical figures" is insignificant yet "spitting hate at groups of people" in response to their "spitting hate" at those historical figures is worse?

Yes because the latter leads to hatred and excusing violence in the world right now while the former will at worst damn people in their own afterlives, which is bad sure, but it's their own business.

If someone makes it part and parcel of his belief to hate and insult those who you revere as those who are some of the closest to Allah, then what does it speak of your love that you refuse to even speak out against those who do so?

How did the Prophet Muhammad respond to the insults, taunts, and jeers of the people of Mekkah before the Hijra?

We are a species that is not perfect. We have to judge to create a functioning society as law and order are necessary. But we have to remember that we make mistakes and only God is perfect. Once we lose sight of that we start getting arrogant and take upon ourselves tasks that are reserved for God. One of these is deciding who is a true Muslim or is not. That's not something we are qualified to judge. But you are doing so. So are the Nasibi spouting idiots. Do you really want to act like they do with the Rafidah nonsense?

Similarly, if someone insults the companions and the wives of the Prophet PBUH constantly and makes it part of his creed, is it not considered a great injustice?

They harm only themselves in their afterlife if God's judgement is punishment. Injustice visited on the living is something we can do something about by refraining from divisive partisan and insulting slurs right now. God will take care of any slander towards the dead.

48:14 and 3:129
And to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. He forgives whom He wills and punishes whom He wills. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

Do you know what God's will be in the day of judgement? Do you know who will be punished and who will be forgiven? No you don't. So why act like you do here and now? Why persist in defending language that causes rancour and is used to justify evil acts? You can disagree with Twelvers all you want and enagage in debates but you are taking it too far.

2:190
And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.

What are the limits? Only God knows for certain but the verse shows clearly that limits are there. We should be cautious and humble when we try to fight for God with our words. Using insults and demeaning slurs has to be, at best, close to the line because it adds nothing to the debate but instead poisons it and makes any attempt at dialogue toxic, breeds hatred, and encourages extremists to attack innocents like happened last Friday.

 

[GSG Flash]

Then you have obviously not been following the conversation. My posts have been in response to that one guy who said that Saudi shaykhs should not be tweeting anti-Shi'a statements. Where the hell are you getting this idea that I'm justifying this attack in any way? I condemn this attack, I condemn attacks against all innocent civilians, but I do take issue with condemning those Saudi shaykhs for tweeting what they did against the Shi'a (which was before this event happened) and laying the blame at their feet.

The only reason Iraq keeps getting brought up is because it is one of the countries that has a Sunni minority that is oppressed by the Shi'a majority and because ISIS claimed responsibility in this attack. And because some posters in this thread seem to think that there is no such thing as persecution of Sunnis (not you).

The tweets were literally mentioned twice in this whole thread. The conversation evolved from that when you quite plainly started justifying derogatory labels in your posts. What's next, are you going to start justifying the use of the n word because there are black criminals in this world?

And I never accused you of justifying the attacks, I accused you of attempting to justify hate, the same hate that eventually morphs into violence.

I think what happened to innocent Sunnis after the Al-Askari bombings was a tragedy, but the only reason Iraq is getting brought up is because that is literally the only example you have. You really don't want to turn this into a list war, I can warn you now that Sunni attacks and massacres against Shias far outnumber Shia attacks and massacres against Sunnis, that is one list war you would lose quite badly.

What makes the world a worse place to live is the incitatory rhetoric of those who disrespect the companions, who believe in them becoming apostates, who believe that the wives are in hellfire.

:lol

No, what makes the world a worse place to live is assholes who get butthurt enough by words that they blow themselves up to kill innocents.

Really? You think "theological differences of opinion on the character of historical figures" is insignificant yet "spitting hate at groups of people" in response to their "spitting hate" at those historical figures is worse?

It definitely is worse. One is cursing people who are no longer living because of disagreements with their political decisions, people curse dead political leaders all the time without any reprisals, political leaders who are revered almost as much as Sunni historical figures. The other is spreading hate and inciting violence against a group that exists today in the present, 99% of whom are innocent and want to live their lives in peace.

You don't seem to understand what "Allah knows best" signifies. Is theft forbidden? Yes. Has it been specifically mentioned to be forbidden? Yes. So, Allah knows best and he has told us that theft is forbidden. Therefore, we judge based on this. A thief is punished. Of course, Islam is a religion of mercy and if the thief recognizes that what he has done is wrong and exhibits remorse, then there is room for pardon. But what of belligerence and stubbornness? If someone is a pathological kleptomaniac, do you want to turn a blind eye? If someone makes it part and parcel of his belief to hate and insult those who you revere as those who are some of the closest to Allah, then what does it speak of your love that you refuse to even speak out against those who do so?

When it comes to areas of Islam where there IS a valid difference of opinion, then Allah knowing best signifies that the scholar has come to a conclusion based on his understanding of what Allah has provided but he is a human and thus his understanding may be deficient - and truly Allah knows best. In the case of insulting the companions and the wives when the Qur'an itself has defended both groups - even calling the latter as "mothers of the believers" - to simply say that those who are hurling insults are doing something that is remotely defensible is going against what Allah Himself has said. Do you not know of the incidence of Ifk? Allah responded to the lies of the hypocrites against Aisha and revealed her innocence, all the while condemning the hypocrites to the hellfire. And then we find that despite all this "inflammatory" speech, the hypocrites were NOT killed (the Prophet PBUH even stopped a companion who was riled up and wanted to attack one of the hypocrites who was his own father).

Similarly, if someone insults the companions and the wives of the Prophet PBUH constantly and makes it part of his creed, is it not considered a great injustice? We are commanded by the Prophet PBUH to take a stand against justice with our hands or with our tongues or in our hearts - with that being the least of faith. Therefore, those who insult the companions of the Prophet PBUH or his noble wives, we have to take a stand. In this case, speaking out against such belief is completely in order.

Cutting out the religious bullshit, as religion can be twisted in any way one wants to fit their argument, how are words spoken by few such a big injustice that it justifies inciting hatred against an entire group?

 

[7aged]

Islamic State claims blast killing four at Saudi mosque
Islamic State claimed responsibility for a bombing that killed four people at a Shi'ite Muslim mosque in eastern Saudi Arabia on Friday, the second attack claimed by the Sunni militant group in a week in the world's top oil-exporting country.

...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/29/us-saudi-security-idUSKBN0OE10E20150529

There's been another suicide attack at a shia mosque today. This time at least, security guards stopped the bomber before he entered.

Still, 4 people killed. Shit's getting serious.

 

[Dark Rider]

the extremists choosing violence

but is the majority actually on board the propaganda hate train (drawing the line at not killing)?

 

[Ikael]

You should educate yourself over what Shi'ism (particularly 12er Shi'sm) actually entails when it comes to belief before calling for unity. There wouldn't BE a Shi'a sect if they were concerned about unity.

Oh, I have educated myself well enough, thanks. The Arabs never gave a flying fuck about islamic unity, for the first thing they did once the prophet died was to wage a civil war against their much reviled Persians for the control of the Caliphate. And only 100 years after that, they staged yet another coup that further divided the ummah (Umayyads VS Abbasids). And it seems that Arabs are busy doing the same crap nowadays, centuries after the Prophet's death, without learning a damn thing about their own history nor about the warnings against sectarianism and tribalism that the Prophet himself made.

This is a shitty sectarian conflict, yet you refuse to acknowdegle for what it is. It is a division over a non-central theological matter, pretty much like the whole Protestant VS Catholic wars of yore. And it is taking the similar death toll, too. No wonder why the Caliphate went to Cordoba and Istambul, topics like these are prime examples of why Islam shouldn't be under Saudi control. Britain ceeding control of the Holy Sites to the House of Saud was probably the biggest blunder that their empire made, and this is just one of its many horrible consequences.

the extremists choosing violence but is the majority actually on board the propaganda hate train (drawing the line at not killing)?

Most terrorist groups, islamic or not, need a strong social support base in order to thrieve. And this is the problem with the M-E that noone wants to acknowdegle. Yes, terrorists and lunatics comprise an extremely minoritary sliver of the total muslim popullation. But their cheerleaders and "moderate" supporters that condemn yet also "understand" the violence are not a minority in far too many Middle East countries. Hell, we have them right here in ultra-progressive, western Neo-Gaf. They are certainly a majority in Saudi Arabia, Africa and most of the gulf states, that's for sure.

 

[M.Bluth]

Ok, I finished compiling a list of tweets by those Shaykhs mentioned earlier, which espouse hate and, either explicitly or implicitly, encourage violence and retribution against Shias. I've done this while pretty much expecting they will be dismissed or downplayed by the predictable defense force.

Note that describing Shias as "infidels" or "mushrikeen" (polytheists) is significant because every person below calls for Jihad against "infidels" and "mushrikeen," and all subscribe to the belief that ultimately it is a duty for Muslims to expel infidels and polytheists from the Arabian peninsula.

The list is limited to more or less recent tweets of only the persons in the collage posted by Sorral, and I only included ones I can provide a direct link for. Despite finding much more despicable examples from those persons and other popular Saudi and Salafist figures around the web that I could have used here, I refrained from including them since Twitter seems to have a limit on the number of tweets it displays on accounts.

Since I've noted several interested members who cannot read Arabic, I've done my best to try and translate them to the best of my ability while maintaining the tone of each tweet. I'm sure there will be mistakes here and there, so I apologize in advance. I tried to clarify some terms or give some context between brackets: [ ].

In this list you'll observe those Shaykhs and Salafist figures try to flame and enrage their base by using sectarian and racist slurs [yes, the word "Persian," always followed by "majoosi" is meant as a slur], describe Shias as infidels and thus insinuate the need for "Jihad" against them, portray Sunnism as a victim in the face of Shiaism, use the crimes of the Assad regime as fuel against all Shias all while either ignoring or downplaying the atrocities of groups like ISIS or even support it outright.

Here we go:

"The Rafidhi speaks of coexistence, peace, and brotherhood as long as he has no power. Once he has power, his coexistence is through drilling [torture], and his brotherhood is through burning."

#Rafidha
#Rafidha are the greatest liars
#Rafidhism is unclean
#Rafidha have harmed Muslims
#Rafidha are the cancer of Arab Gulf countries
#Rafidha are not Muslims
#Operation Decisive Storm
"Increase the pressure" [approximate translation, it's a bit of a weird phrase]

"O' God, lead the mujahdeen in your name to victory; those who defend your Law, those who defend what you hold holy. O' God, defeat every traitor of your religion. O' God defeat the Rafidha wherever and whenever they be."

"The Rafidha call their dead 'martyrs.' And how could they attain martyrdom when they are mushrikeen fighting for the Devil, and are the enemies of God and his allies?"

"The Rafidha are mushrikeen, and their religion was established by the Jews, and that is why they share the animosity towards Islam as mentioned in the Ayat: 'You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allah' (5:82)"**
**Verse translation is from here

"One of the greatest types of Jihad is fighting the Rafidha, such as Houthis [who are Zaydis], as they are more harmful on Islam than any other enemy, and they do not observe pacts of kinship or covenants of protection, and they ruin religions and nations. #Operation_Decisive_Storm"

"The Shaykh of Islam Ibn Taymiyyah [THE revered scholar for Salafists] said: 'The Rafidha have no desire but to destroy Islam, [I'm not sure how to translate this part], and ruin its foundation.' May God give him Paradise, for he knew Shia so well."

"The world has remained silent in regards to Shia and Nusayri terrorism, what is more, they supported them! When they knew for certain that their swords are directed at the necks of Sunnis!"

"The extremist ideology and the unlawful killing, is not a new thing for Shias. It is a fundamental part of their sect and is written in their books. Their killing of Muslims is them adhering to their religious leaders' fatwas."

"This is what the Iranians/Nusayris [Alawites] did, just like what the Zionists did to the Palestinians. Although the Zionists allowed them to carry food."

"#Why do the Shia kill us
Watch the video, and ask yourself: 'How should the Shias be dealt with?"
Remember: Those murderers have lived close to Muslims for centuries. [linked video was deleted]"

"I have a belief that Daesh [ISIS] of Iraq is different from Daesh of Syria. In Iraq, they are more than 95% Iraqis, and they fight the Majoos and their agents. In Syria, most of them are non-Syrians and they fight the Mujahdeen [Referring to ISIS's conflicts with AlQaeda aka Jabhat al Nusra in Syria]."



[The quoted pictures show victims of Saudi shelling in Yemen on the right, while the picture on the left says "Soon, House of Saud"]
"#Operation_Decisive_Storm
This channel is owned by a Rafidhi from Kuwait, living in Kuwait: The Houthis of inside are more cursed and more dangerous... Cleanse the nation [An approximate translation for الصف, he definitely and clearly calls for a 'cleansing,' though]."

"The Houthi worships Ali and Hussien and perverts the Book of God [Quran] and calls the companions of the Prophet infidels. He is a cancer for which no treatment is useful... When will this malicious plant go extinct? I hope it is soon."

"When simple people talk of brotherhood between Shia and Sunnis... We say to them that the response to you is in history where tens of millions of Sunnis were slaughtered by the knives of Rafidha... And they still do."

"If Sunnis do not perform Jihad against the Rafidha, then the Shia terrorism will stay and increase, for they are vultures who do not act as hawks unless they are allowed to act as they please... Otherwise they are cowards like Jews."

"I wonder if this will repeat [tone reads of hoping so]? Baghdad was freed by the Ottomans from the Safawi, Majoosi occupation in the year 1639AD, after 40 days of continuous fighting... In that battle 87 thousands of Shias were killed."

"Did you know? Rafidha... Shia... Imamia... Twelver... Jafariya... All are names for one religion which is a mix between Islam, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Nazarenism [Christianity], and Hinduism."

"We said goodbye to Baghdad then Damascus, and followed them Beirut, and now Sanaa is breathing its last Sunni breaths... Despite the conspiracy and servility, you Majoos, God wills that his Light remains... So you wait"

"Why do Rafidha hate Tikrit? Because from it came Saladin who started by cleansing the countries of Mulsims from them [Shias] before cleaning it from the Crusaders... And from it came Saddam Hussein, who made the Rafidha taste the greatest bitterness."


There, I could bring more, and even more disgusting stuff, but I wasted enough time collecting this rubbish, and I've had enough of reading the twitter accounts of Saudi salafists.

There's been another suicide attack at a shia mosque today. This time at least, security guards stopped the bomber before he entered.

Still, 4 people killed. Shit's getting serious.

Yes, and the two who stopped it were civilian volunteers:



Mohammed Hassan Ali bin Isa and Abdel-Jaleel Jumaa al-Arbash

 

[Victarion]

"I wonder if this will repeat [tone reads of hoping so]? Baghdad was freed by the Ottomans from the Safawi, Majoosi occupation in the year 1639AD, after 40 days of continuous fighting... In that battle 87 thousands of Shias were killed."

"Why do Rafidha hate Tikrit? Because from it came Saladin who started by cleansing the countries of Mulsims from them [Shias] before cleaning it from the Crusaders... And from it came Saddam Hussein, who made the Rafidha taste the greatest bitterness."

Holy shit, this guy is insane. And the amount of retweets, smh.

 

[Sijil]

Oh look justification for the continued Shia genocide continues, why am I not surprised.... Disgusting to say the least.

 

[Frozenprince]

Look, I'm not saying you're wrong, but... are you really prepared to accept the death toll and long-term costs associated with that? It'd mean demolishing basically the entire region and ruling it with an iron fist for however long it takes to impose our views on the populace. It'd be worse than Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan, because in both cases it was a top-down problem, mostly. You could depose the rulers and ~70% of the work was done; more in Nazi Germany, less in Imperial Japan (more thorough programming). Doing the same in the middle east would involve a death toll in the millions and a decades-long occupation.

I don't know if I'm comfortable with that.

Decades is underselling it. You're talking about taking regions where most tribes are barely out of the middle ages socially. By the time we're implanted that long and become that much of a focal point of the cultural movement and awakening, how could we EVER leave?

There is no answer that doesn't involve a lot of dead people unless those that live within the region take it upon themselves. And right now, that's just not happening.

 

[Sorral]

There, I could bring more, and even more disgusting stuff, but I wasted enough time collecting this rubbish, and I've had enough of reading the twitter accounts of Saudi salafists.

Really good translations and work. The sad part is that, as you most likely already know, they extended their reach into other mediums over time by a lot. I will PM you a compilation of their stuff as I would rather not directly post it here.

Yes, and the two who stopped it were civilian volunteers:



Mohammed Hassan Ali bin Isa and Saeed Abdel Jaleel Jumaa al-Arbash

That picture was taken moments before the incident I believe. They basically blocked the guy from moving away with his car or going in with their own body and all four ended up dying in the process. The bomber initially tried to get in the women's part of the mosque, but it was locked as the women there don't have a Friday gathering at that mosque that day, so these guys stopped him from going in the men's area afterward.

Oh and there is a video of one half of a body in someone's backyard after it flew over a wall from be explosion... ISIS claims the attack, and there is a tweet mentioning a Shia neighborhood in Almadinah city west of the country for the coming Friday.

They just caught another bomber trying to go into the same mosque again and that guy was dressed up as a woman again as well.

To anyone that wants to see pictures/videos and tweets of what happened today, click here or put #تفجير_الدمام in twitter/google. Be warned that you might see gruesome pictures.

This deserves its own thread.

Edit: Moment of the explosion cut from a longer video, but from inside the mosque in Dammam as the suicide bomber was outside.

 

[The Praiseworthy]

As Shia we are getting oppression in daily basic by those who were mentally brained washed by the evil clerics who are encouraging them to kill us, insult us, hate us and raise their kids to fight us as their enemies.

We are being threaten daily by those idiots to be killed in massacres in our mosques or hussainiah.. and from time to time they actually do succeed, so we are kinda prepared to lose a family member or a friend or even our own lives at some point in one of these bombings as long as the strong hate towards us exists and no one is doing anything to vanquish it.

They were trained to hate us for decades and centuries by telling them stupid lies about us that only morons believes.. it's not easy to change that and wash away the planned hate from their hearts, but it's never too late to start taking the first step towards it.... and we still await for that step to be taken.


Hope someday we all can live in peace and the baths of blood happens no more.

 

[Buba Big Guns]

It's funny how these bombings are barely even acknowledged, with most of the west on Saudi's tip and Iran as a boogeyman. Absolutely disgusting how people somehow try to justify it too. So much hate over political decisions made over a millennia ago.

ISIS, Taliban, AQ...all spawned/funded from the same hateful trash that is SA.

 

[The Praiseworthy]

It's funny how these bombings are barely even acknowledged, with most of the west on Saudi's tip and Iran as a boogeyman. Absolutely disgusting how people somehow try to justify it too. So much hate over political decisions made over a millennia ago.

ISIS, Taliban, AQ...all spawned/funded from the same hateful trash that is SA.

Our lives and blood are being looked at as less valuable... You have no idea how some get happy and excited when they see pictures or hear the news of us being killed and slaughter somewhere.

Almost TWO THOUSAND young men were killed in speicher massacre.... Where were the world governments and the media doing when that happened?

The cycle will just go on and on... And these kinds of news won't stop anytime soon.

This kind of abused our grandfathers and mothers went through it.. As we are now going through it, and we know our kids and grandkids will also go through it too someday.

 

[Dark Rider]

Really good translations and work. The sad part is that, as you most likely already know, they extended their reach into other mediums over time by a lot. I will PM you a compilation of their stuff as I would rather not directly post it here.

can you PM me too please? is it translated?
why you don't want to post it in the thread? it would shed a light on what the moderates get fed and what they think.

 

[Sorral]

can you PM me too please? is it translated?
why you don't want to post it in the thread? it would shed a light on what the moderates get fed and what they think.

It is not translated. It is a dropbox link that I just didn't want to post so openly because of the place, some of the content, and language. I will PM it to you either way.

Lists of books that are sold in SA which contain stuff similar to the tweets, some religious school books, more tweets, etc.

 

[7aged]

More on the heroes who stopped the bomber:

Mohammad al-Issa and his two cousins Abduljaleel and Mohammad al-Arbash.
He was the son of Kawthar al-Arbash, an author and poet. She is also well known as a critic of extremism both shia and sunni.

She wrote an obituary for her son, read it here (in Arabic): http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1smeotv

RIP

 

[Despera]

More on the heroes who stopped the bomber:

Mohammad al-Issa and his two cousins Abduljaleel and Mohammad al-Arbash.
He was the son of Kawthar al-Arbash, an author and poet. She is also well known as a critic of extremism both shia and sunni.

She wrote an obituary for her son, read it here (in Arabic): http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1smeotv

RIP

In her anti-extremism endeavors, as she writes. she refuses to take sides in the Sunni Shia struggle and instead calls for an end of all forms of extremism from both sides. Unfortunately, she was alienated by some of her family members due to her views.

Now her son and two of her nephews have passed away in a heroic act to stop what she always fought against. Their sacrifice should not be in vain and I hope Kowther's voice is heard throughout the nation.

 

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In her anti-extremism endeavors, as she writes. she refuses to take sides in the Sunni Shia struggle and instead calls for an end of all forms of extremism from both sides. Unfortunately, she was alienated by some of her family members due to her views.

Now her son and two of her nephews have passed away in a heroic act to stop what she always fought against. Their sacrifice should not be in vain and I hope Kowther's voice is heard throughout the nation.

It is ironic. You have some like Terra Ferma who go "what about shia extremists? why don't they speak up against them?", well there you are. She even alienated some in her own community due to her outspoken views. And now her son and 2 nephews paid the sacrifice.

Time for the moderates in the sunni majority to join in and stand up to the extremists.