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Saudi blood money ruling angers activists

Religious scholar "sentenced to pay blood money to mother after serving short jail term" for daughter's death.

A Saudi man who raped his five-year-old daughter and tortured her to death has been sentenced to pay "blood money" to the mother after having served a short jail term, according to activists.

The man, said to be a religious scholar who is also a regular guest on Islamic television networks, confessed to having used cables and a cane to inflict the injuries, activists from the group Women to Drive said in a statement on Saturday.

Lamia was admitted to hospital on December 25, 2011, with multiple injuries, including a crushed skull, broken ribs and left arm, extensive bruising and burns, the activists said.

They said the father had doubted his daughter Lama's virginity and had her checked up by a medic.

She died last October.

Randa al-Kaleeb, a social worker from the hospital where Lama was admitted, said the girl's back was broken and that she had been raped "everywhere", according to the group.

The activists said that the judge had ruled the prosecution could only seek "blood money and the time the defendant had served in prison since Lama's death suffices as punishment".

The ruling is based on national laws that a father cannot be executed for murdering his children, nor can husbands be executed for murdering their wives, activists said.

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Is GAF angry at this ruling too?

 

[Deified Data]

So money equals freedom from consequences? Much like the US in that regard.

I like how father's somehow get special consideration when they slay their family. That's especially enlightened.

 

[Dyno]

First post fails it.

 

[delirium]

So money equals freedom from consequences? Much like the US in that regard.

Really? Somehow you bring anti-Americanism into this horrible story?

 

[Maninthemirror]

US Paid Blood Money to Pakistan for their CIA saving driver who killed a civilian who was just crossing the road. it happens everywhere. and its backwards everywhere.

also OLD

Feb 3, 2013

 

[Chuckie]

Worst first reply ever.

 

[Azih]

The ruling is based on national laws that a father cannot be executed for murdering his children, nor can husbands be executed for murdering their wives, activists said.

What a fucked up law that is.

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

How does a man question a 5 year old's virginity? Then proceeds to rape her.

Obviously you have to be crazy to do what he did but I don't get this logic. I'm probably answering my own question.

 

[Ashes]

How does a man question a 5 year old's virginity? Then proceeds to rape her.

Obviously you have to be crazy to do what he did but I don't get this logic. I'm probably answering my own question.

He's lying of course.

 

[Stinkles]

US Paid Blood Money to Pakistan for their CIA saving driver who killed a civilian who was just crossing the road. it happens everywhere. and its backwards everywhere.

The story is about the ingrained Saudi Law. Start again.

It doesn't happen everywhere. Saudi Law happens in Saudi Arabia.

This is domestic law, not international blame shifting.

 

[LQX]

Wow, I want to say something terrible...this is the same country that chops of your hands for stealing right? Ugh!

 

[Kinitari]

"blood money and the time the defendant had served in prison since Lama's death suffices as punishment".

Are you fucking kidding me?

 

[Maninthemirror]

The story is about the ingrained Saudi Law. Start again.

It doesn't happen everywhere. Saudi Law happens in Saudi Arabia.

This is domestic law, not international blame shifting.

oh?


Middle Eastern Countries - Divya
Japan - mimaikin
Korea - hapuigeum

No one is saying its not ingrained in Saudi Law but in international law its called 'Restitution' . The focus is how pervertly countries use that law.

 

[ZiZ]

the whole nation was up in arms against this a while back.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Disgusting.

 

[Slackbladder]

Some countries are still stuck in the middle ages, though I wonder if they were as cruel as this 800 years ago.

 

[Funky Papa]

Are you fucking kidding me?

Yet somehow, the decapited remains of five Yemeni robbers are hanging from a crane for everybody to see.

 

[Jenga]

So money equals freedom from consequences? Much like the US in that regard.

almost made me spit out my tea in amusement

 

[Smellycat]

I have no words.....

 

[hym]

Wow, I want to say something terrible...this is the same country that chops of your hands for stealing right? Ugh!

Why blame Saudi Arabia?

The legal system of Saudi Arabia is based on Sharia, Islamic law derived from the Qu'ran and the Sunnah (the traditions) of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. The sources of Sharia also include Islamic scholarly consensus developed after Muhammad's death and analogical reasoning by Muslim judges.

Under law he only damaged his property.

 

[Kinitari]

Why blame Saudi Arabia?

The legal system of Saudi Arabia is based on Sharia, Islamic law derived from the Qu'ran and the Sunnah (the traditions) of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. The sources of Sharia also include Islamic scholarly consensus developed after Muhammad's death and analogical reasoning by Muslim judges.

Under law he only damaged his property.

I'm not really the biggest fan of Sharia, or Islam for that matter - but as far as I know, killing your child is a huuuuuuge nono in Islam. Or raping them, or both.

 

[hym]

I'm not really the biggest fan of Sharia, or Islam for that matter - but as far as I know, killing your child is a huuuuuuge nono in Islam. Or raping them, or both.

It absolutely is, killing a child is a major offense unless you are the father or husband of that child.

 

[ISOM]

So money equals freedom from consequences? Much like the US in that regard.

I like how father's somehow get special consideration when they slay their family. That's especially enlightened.

You are not making any sense.

 

[Kinitari]

It absolutely is, killing a child is a major offense unless you are the father or husband of that child.

The only thing I could find that says as much is from Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2, which (apparently) says

retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right.” However, “not subject to retaliation” is “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring.” (‘Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2).

This is from a translation followed by those who subscribe to the Sunni Shafi´i school, which is like a quarter of all Sunnis - and it specifies both parents.

Still, horrible horrible translation, but I haven't seen any of this fathers/husbands are excluded stuff. Do you know what the quote/sect is?

 

[hym]

The only thing I could find that says as much is from Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2, which (apparently) says

This is from a translation followed by those who subscribe to the Sunni Shafi´i school, which is like a quarter of all Sunnis - and it specifies both parents.

Still, horrible horrible translation, but I haven't seen any of this fathers/husbands are excluded stuff. Do you know what the quote/sect is?

Saudi courts are closest related to the Hanbali school of jurisprudence and they are of the Wahabbi sect, the specific doctrine motivating this judgement is rather irrelevant giving the amount of contradictory statements it contains, it's a buffet letting them go as extreme or sane as they prefer, which is the issue with Sharia, it's a religious license to injustice for a misogynistic savage culture.

Many Muslims will agree they are filth, they are of course also the filth in control of Mecca and the largest oil reserves on the planet, not to mention the most important Arab ally of the United States.

 

[xbhaskarx]

"national laws that a father cannot be executed for murdering his children, nor can husbands be executed for murdering their wives"

2013

 

[Angelus Errare]

It absolutely is, killing a child is a major offense unless you are the father or husband of that child.

The exception of being the father is just sickening.

 

[Stinkles]

"national laws that a father cannot be executed for murdering his children, nor can husbands be executed for murdering their wives"

2013

A husband can't be expected to control the strength of his ForcePush.

 

[Jeels]

How does a man question a 5 year old's virginity? Then proceeds to rape her.

Obviously you have to be crazy to do what he did but I don't get this logic. I'm probably answering my own question.

And this guy is on religious television too. He should be held to insanely high standards and he isn't...

 

[Maninthemirror]

And this guy is on religious television too. He should be held to insanely high standards and he isn't...

High standards lol

 

[Maninthemirror]

A husband can't be expected to control the strength of his ForcePush.

That doesnt make sense

 

[Stinkles]

That doesnt make sense

Oh I agree completely.

 

[hym]

That doesnt make sense

Welcome to Saudi Arabia

Saudi special forces take part in a military parade in the holy city of Mecca on November 10, 2010.

 

[Count Dookkake]

And they do blackface, too?

Just awful.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Oh I agree completely.

No i mean your nonsensical view of this doesn't make sense. Thats what I meant

 

[tekumseh]

"national laws that a father cannot be executed for murdering his children, nor can husbands be executed for murdering their wives"

2013

Being executed for killing your child or your wife would put a severe crimp in the works when you've got honor killings to complete..

 

[Stinkles]

No i mean your nonsensical view of this doesn't make sense. Thats what I meant

Please enlighten me as to why a husband should receive a legal discount on killing his own family.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

So money equals freedom from consequences? Much like the US in that regard.

What made you think this would be a good idea?

 

[Stinkles]

What made you think this would be a good idea?

Calm down guys he's just playing the GAFGold meta game False Equivalency Bingo and he used a strawman token. I think there's an achievement for it.

 

[Deified Data]

What made you think this would be a good idea?

In retrospect I probably would have left out the US mention and just said "some things are universal".

 

[Stinkles]

In retrospect I probably would have left out the US mention and just said "some things are universal".

 

[Log4Girlz]

Please enlighten me as to why a husband should receive a legal discount on killing his own family.

Because reasons.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

So money equals freedom from consequences? Much like the US in that regard.

I like how father's somehow get special consideration when they slay their family. That's especially enlightened.

This is an awful comparison.

These sort of atrocities are pretty much exclusive to 3rd world countries.

 

[Tesseract]

your nonsense doesn't make sense!

 

[cameron]

The activists said that the judge had ruled the prosecution could only seek "blood money and the time the defendant had served in prison since Lama's death suffices as punishment".

The ruling is based on national laws that a father cannot be executed for murdering his children, nor can husbands be executed for murdering their wives, activists said.

Yeesh. What would it take for such laws to change in a country like Saudi Arabia?

 

[Lonely1]

This is an awful comparison.

These sort of atrocities are pretty much exclusive to 3rd world countries.

Yeah, because all countries "3rd world" are the same...

 

[liger05]

The ruling is based on national laws that a father cannot be executed for murdering his children, nor can husbands be executed for murdering their wives, activists said.

Even if they hold that position that still doesnt mean he couldnt be locked up for Life. Saudi = Joke!!