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School district pulls plug on Halo 2 tsunami fundraiser

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School district pulls plug on Halo 2 tsunami fundraiser

January 21, 2005
- by komotv.com

PUYALLUP, Wash. - Students in Puyallup hoped to use a video game tournament to raise money for tsunami victims. Parents signed off on the idea, but the school district suddenly said, "game over!"

The controversy surrounds the students' choice for the video game: Halo 2.

It's a game with space soldiers, guns, aliens, swords... And plenty of death.

The game is so popular, Rogers High School seniors Mike Alston and Joshua Shake figured a Halo 2 tournament would be the perfect way to raise money for tsunami victims.

"$380 we were thinking was going to go straight into the Red Cross Tsunami fund," Alston said.

As a precaution, the boys even got parents to sign waivers acknowledging the graphic nature of the game.

But the Puyallup School District canceled the fundraiser, saying the game goes against its anti-violence policy.

"They never really talked to us and told us where they've seen that violent video games encourage violent behavior so I don't really believe it," Alston said.

But the school district says they don't think it's too sensitive.

"When you look at what happened with Columbine, when you look at acts of violence against young people, I think anything we do that even looks like we're endorsing violence is not appropriate," said Karen Hanson with the Puyallup School District.

The district is backing one tsunami effort at all schools. Students are packing 10,000 health kits destined for tsunami-torn countries.

But the boys remind us that the district canceled Halloween celebrations because they were insensitive to the Wiccan religion. ( :lol )

"It's just a question now of when do they stop?" Alston said.

The district says that question will be answered one case at a time. They also said it will support the students' fundraiser if they simply switch to a less violent video game.


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Would be alright if they agreed to just use plasma weapons? :lol
 
They should have chosen a game that is appropriate for all the students. Super Smash Bros would do fine. Just imagine if the conservatives got hold of this event.
 
The district school board did the right thing.. there's just too much liability involved in that situation..
Put yourself in their shoes.. You let them go ahead and have a school-endorsed Halo 2 tournament.. Then there's the possibility that one of the participants will come back and do something stupid and/or violent..
Now what?
There'll be a few lawsuits, a publicity nightmare for the school (not unlike Columbine), and the news media will go crazy with stories of videogame-induced violence in schools.

For the school, it's just not worth it, even if it is for a good cause..

as he mentioned in the first (or second?) post, find a way to do this privately outside of school.
 
john2kx said:
The district school board did the right thing.. there's just too much liability involved in that situation..
Put yourself in their shoes.. You let them go ahead and have a school-endorsed Halo 2 tournament.. Then there's the possibility that one of the participants will come back and do something stupid and/or violent..
Now what?
There'll be a few lawsuits, a publicity nightmare for the school (not unlike Columbine), and the news media will go crazy with stories of videogame-induced violence in schools.

For the school, it's just not worth it, even if it is for a good cause..

as he mentioned in the first (or second?) post, find a way to do this privately outside of school.

The above thinking is part of what is wrong with this country... like school's didn't get f'n get shot up, have stabbings, etc BEFORE this generation of videogames came around.

Most of america, kids, and parents are completel absolute pussy's who don't take responsibility for their own f'n actions and instead look to place the blame on outside influences. FU whiny bitches.

Rant over.
 
DarienA said:
The above thinking is part of what is wrong with this country... like school's didn't get f'n get shot up, have stabbings, etc BEFORE this generation of videogames came around.

Most of america, kids, and parents are completel absolute pussy's who don't take responsibility for their own f'n actions and instead look to place the blame on outside influences. FU whiny bitches.

Rant over.

? The school is just taking an extra precaution so that it doesn't get hurt down the line. If anything, they're being responsible by trying to prevent future trouble.
 
I see schools are only allowed to have school sanctioned violence on football fields and wrestling mats. Fuckers.

I agree w/ the previous sentiment; hold the tournament elsewhere.
 
DarienA said:
The above thinking is part of what is wrong with this country... like school's didn't get f'n get shot up, have stabbings, etc BEFORE this generation of videogames came around.

Most of america, kids, and parents are completel absolute pussy's who don't take responsibility for their own f'n actions and instead look to place the blame on outside influences. FU whiny bitches.

Rant over.

and why did schools have stabbings, get shot up etc...? Becuase weapons made their way into the schools. The video game is violent and it does not belong in a public school where what goes on is accountable to the tax paying public. The school does not need the headache.
 
Hammy said:
? The school is just taking an extra precaution so that it doesn't get hurt down the line. If anything, they're being responsible by trying to prevent future trouble.

Yet this is the same school that probably has a football team, a basketball team, a wrestling team.... I mean hell the kids that the foresight to get the parents to sign release forms.

Whatever.

I hope the kids do hold the function somewhere else.... and I hope that in the future they plan other functions outside of the school as well.

Sysgen said:
and why did schools have stabbings, get shot up etc...? Becuase weapons made their way into the schools. The video game is violent and it does not belong in a public school where what goes on is accountable to the tax paying public. The school does not need the headache.

Schools should also ban contact sports then... Contact sports lead to violent mentality and violent behaviour.
 
DarienA said:
The above thinking is part of what is wrong with this country... like school's didn't get f'n get shot up, have stabbings, etc BEFORE this generation of videogames came around.

Most of america, kids, and parents are completel absolute pussy's who don't take responsibility for their own f'n actions and instead look to place the blame on outside influences. FU whiny bitches.

Rant over.

Yes. Being responsible and thinking of consequences and accountability is SOOO part of what's wrong with this country.
 
john2kx said:
Yes. Being responsible and thinking of consequences and accountability is SOOO part of what's wrong with this country.

The kids did the responsibility and consequences part by getting parents to sign disclosures/release forms.

Hey enjoy your pussified way of thinking if you want, I'm not trying to change your mind.
 
DarienA said:
Yet this is the same school that probably has a football team, a basketball team, a wrestling team.... I mean hell the kids that the foresight to get the parents to sign release forms.

Whatever.

I hope the kids do hold the function somewhere else.... and I hope that in the future they plan other functions outside of the school as well.



Schools should also ban contact sports then... Contact sports lead to violent mentality and violent behaviour.

Contact sports don't involve overt weapons. What's your problem with bake sales? You're overreacting.
 
Sysgen said:
Contact sports don't involve overt weapons. What's your problem with bake sales? You're overreacting.

And yet we still here about contact sports involved students getting involved in razzing, harrassments, beating up other children, etc.... Hey but let's not ban those things... let's ban the imaginery make pretend stuff!

And fresh out the oven chocolate chip cookies rock BTW.
 
DarienA said:
And yet we still here about contact sports involved students getting involved in razzing, harrassments, beating up other children, etc.... Hey but let's not ban those things... let's ban the imaginery make pretend stuff!

And fresh out the oven chocolate chip cookies rock BTW.

You are derailing your own arguement (except for the chocolate chip cookies). When things go wrong at schools the administrators are held accountable and the school district gets it's ass sued. They don't need virtual gun battles to raise money.
 
DarienA said:
The above thinking is part of what is wrong with this country... like school's didn't get f'n get shot up, have stabbings, etc BEFORE this generation of videogames came around.

Most of america, kids, and parents are completel absolute pussy's who don't take responsibility for their own f'n actions and instead look to place the blame on outside influences. FU whiny bitches.

Rant over.

This man speaks the truth. The release forms were good enough. I hope the people who died in the tsunami haunt you faggots.
 
DarienA said:
The kids did the responsibility and consequences part by getting parents to sign disclosures/release forms.

Hey enjoy your pussified way of thinking if you want, I'm not trying to change your mind.

My "pussified" way of thinking often prevents problems in the long run.

And I'm sure that most people (school board included) are well aware that if/when something serious does actually happen, the disclosure/release forms don't amount to jack shit.

The resonsibility/accountability thing isn't up to the students to uphold, it's up to the schools.. That's why they did what they did, without fear of how "un-manly" it might seem to some.
 
Sysgen said:
You are derailing your own arguement (except for the chocolate chip cookies). When things go wrong at schools the administrators are held accountable and the school district gets it's ass sued. They don't need virtual gun battles to raise money.

How am I derailing my argument? The school district gets sued and part of their defense is the disclosures that were all signed by the parents of the participating children said disclosures acknowledge the violent content of the game and should release the school from any liability.

Case over.

john2kx said:
And I'm sure that most people (school board included) are well aware that if/when something serious does actually happen, the disclosure/release forms don't amount to jack shit.

Actually disclosure/release forms are just for something like this in terms of the releasing of liability.

Here's the end... you agree with them I don't. You think it's a great idea, I don't. Neither is going to change the other persons mind. Agreed. End of discussion.

EDIT:

One more thing.

But the boys remind us that the district canceled Halloween celebrations because they were insensitive to the Wiccan religion.

Give me a f'n break.
 
It's about the message and perception that the school sends out. Halo 2 involves killing other organisms, not just bumping into other humans. I don't think that the school would have the same kind of problem with Madden. I'm don't know how this event was organized and advertised, but any perception that it may be school-sponsered may cause the school to be a lightning rod for people who have problems with how public schools are run.

If there is a shooting at this school, then the knives would really come out for the administration. Pushing the line isn't in their best interest.
 
Hammy said:
It's about the message and perception that the school sends out. Halo 2 involves killing other organisms, not just bumping into other humans. I don't think that the school would have the same kind of problem with Madden. I'm don't know how this event was organized and advertised, but any perception that it may be school-sponsered may cause the school to be a lightning rod for people who have problems with how public schools are run.

If there is a shooting at this school, then the knives would really come out for the administration. Pushing the line isn't in their best interest.

Translation: Everyone has become incredibly gun-shy of doing ANYTHING that might POTENTIALLY offend someone.

God I love this country we are just SO concerned about hurting each others feelings.
 
john2kx said:
Yes. Being responsible and thinking of consequences and accountability is SOOO part of what's wrong with this country.

Isn't the School already taking too much responsibilty? The parents of the kids seemed to think it was a smart idea and a good way for the students to raise money for a worthy cause. Shouldn't a public school answer to the public in this case?

I can understand the paranoia to some extent, but stop treating all of these kids as if they could potentially have some kind of psychotic tendencies. Let the parents do their jobs too.
 
On the lighter side.. here's a post from someone at Slashdot responding to the question of whether this school has a football team, etc...

The school *did* have a football team, but they deemed it to violent and closed it down. They now play a form of "peaceball" where opponents hand each other presents, then gently insist the other team is better than their own, and has won.

:lol

and a followup

"...then gently insist the other team is better than their own, and has won"

Of course, at the end of the game, *both* teams win, so nobody's feelings get hurt, and everyone's self-esteem gets a boost.

:lol :lol :lol
 
DarienA said:
Translation: Everyone has become incredibly gun-shy of doing ANYTHING that might POTENTIALLY offend someone.

God I love this country we are just SO concerned about hurting each others feelings.

It's not about hurt feelings. It's about avoiding controversy. If I were an administrator, I wouldn't care what the kids think about the fundraiser. What would the the parents, the media, and my bosses think?
 
Killkernal said:
I can understand the paranoia to some extent, but stop treating all of these kids as if they could potentially have some kind of psychotic tendencies.

Why not? Plenty of them do. :lol
 
DarienA said:
Translation: Everyone has become incredibly gun-shy of doing ANYTHING that might lose them their jobs, incriminate them in anyway or adversely affect the people they are responsible for protecting.

God I love this country because the chocalate chip cookies rock!

Fixed.
 
America has become ultra-conservative. End of story.

OMG I better not do something slightly risque or potentially controversial.... Imagine if everyone thought that way... no daring leaps of thought or no risks... just toe the line. Don't rock the boat.

What a perfect world THAT would be....

Not looking at it realistically? Are we SO concerned that one day our kids are going to suddenty come to school and shoot it up?

Reminder that kinda thing doesn't just happen out of the blue... there are signs leading up to an incident like that.... but who pays attention to the kids anymore?

Not the parents, stick them in front of a TV, give them some money to go shopping, whatever just get them out of my hair, don't talk to them about things, life, etc...

Not the schools, pass them, doesn't matter what type of grades they are getting, just pass them and get them out of here...

^^ The above is a generalization... unfortunately in many situations it's true.

Don't worry though I plan on raising my daughter on violent videogames... then unleashing her on you. ;)
 
DarienA said:
America has become ultra-conservative. End of story.

OMG I better not do something slightly risque or potentially controversial.... Imagine if everyone thought that way... no daring leaps of thought or no risks... just toe the line. Don't rock the boat.

What a perfect world THAT would be....

You've just described the state of public school perfectly. More obedient worker bees to feed the machine, please!

Lord knows the kids are all potential psycho killers. We need to get them on anti depressents before they become too dangerous.
 
Nobody sensible should be bitching at the school district for obvious logical, liability reasons.

I would have loved the idea had I been kid at that school district....but get real.
 
DarienA said:
America has become ultra-conservative. End of story.

Whoops.. Don't confuse conservatism with beurocratics.

In fact, I think the position of most right-wing conservatives is to do away with accountability and "frivolous" lawsuits because it's holding businesses (the economy) back.
 
john2kx said:
Whoops.. Don't confuse conservatism with beurocratics.

In fact, I think the position of most right-wing conservatives is to do away with accountability and "frivolous" lawsuits because it's holding businesses (the economy) back.

Someone should tell that to the FCC. Eh, at least Michael Powell will be gone soon.
 
Ramirez said:
As long as everyone is old enough to play the game whats the big fuckin deal?

Halo 2 is rated M, right? What is that.. 17+? Doesn't that exclude a good portion of high school students?
 
Ristamar said:
Someone should tell that to the FCC. Eh, at least Michael Powell will be gone soon.

I don't think the FCC handles the lawsuits, do they?

They normally spend most of their time deciding what you should and shouldn't be subjected to.
 
john2kx said:
Halo 2 is rated M, right? What is that.. 17+? Doesn't that exclude a good portion of high school students?

Yup, but if the parents have again signed off on it...

john2kx said:
I don't think the FCC handles the lawsuits, do they?

They normally spend most of their time deciding what you should and shouldn't be subjected to.
Lord knows they are doing a great job of that... ;)

Obviously we all agree that the kids should just hold the fund raiser outside of the school, hopefully they'll do that.
 
the school is covering their own asses, and frankly, i don't blame them. All it takes is one dickhead parent to start whining and stir shit up. Its just not worth the trouble.
 
Conservatives like Concerned Women of America, Falwell, Dobson, or Lieberman are known for picking on childrens' media. For instance, CWA is responsible for a huge amount of FCC complaints. Or Dobson with Spongebob Squarepants. If only Halo 2 had a homosexual subplot...

accountability and "frivolous" lawsuits because it's holding businesses (the economy) back.
by how much? Or is it more important that there be a way in which people can hold corporations responsible"?
 
Don't blame the school, blame the litigiousness of society. If they went ahead with it, chances are someone would have played the victim and sued. It's not worth the hassle for them.
 
HokieJoe said:
Just one more example of political correctness gone amuck.

I'm from Washington state and I have a friend who's a teacher there. She tells that such mindless political correctness is making her job hell. As someone pointed out, it's all because of idiotic, sue-happy parents. They are really just covering their own asses.
 
I just want to know how many high schoolers there are 17+. Otherwise it probably wouldn't go over well.
(MS has bought Washington. At New Year's, they played the Halo 2 theme at the Space Needle)
 
I bet that same school would not be against students performing the play Macbeth. Violence, incest, and crazy-ass bastards!
 
I just want to know how many high schoolers there are 17+

Juniors and Seniors. I can understand the school's concern, but these are usually the same people who are strongly against filters being applied to internet access being paid with tax payer money. Is Halo 2 anywhere near as bad as what some of the kids are probably looking at in their local library's basement?
 
I live in Washington state also and in the big urban areas playing Halo at school is okay (not that I like Halo, that is another story). Puyallup is a smaller town so things are different there.
 
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