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Scientists at the LHC find surprising particle behavior, defying our model of physics

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http://www.sciencealert.com/the-lhc-finds-evidence-of-particle-activity-beyond-the-standard-model

Researchers at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN in Switzerland have found evidence of subatomic particles acting in a way that defies the Standard Model of particle physics - the current best set of equations we have to explain the behaviour and interactions of particles in the Universe.

This Standard Model has served us pretty well so far, but there are some significant holes, the most glaring being the fact that it doesn't account for gravity. So for decades physicists have been trying to find physics occurring beyond the Standard Model, using machines such as the LHC to help them find clues. And now they may finally have a huge lead.


An international team of physicists has found hints of leptons - a specific type of subatomic particle - behaving in strange ways not predicted by the Standard Model. They uncovered this while looking at the decay of particles called B mesons into lighter particles, including two types of leptons: the tau lepton and the muon.

According to a key Standard Model concept called 'lepton universality', all leptons are treated equally by all fundamental forces, which means that all leptons should decay at the same rate, once corrected for any difference in mass. But in the data, the team found a small but notable difference in the predicted rates of decay. This suggests that some type of as-yet undiscovered forces or particles could be interfering.

"The Standard Model says the world interacts with all leptons in the same way. There is a democracy there. But there is no guarantee that this will hold true if we discover new particles or new forces," one of the lead researchers, Hassan Jawahery, from the University of Maryland in the US, said in a press release. "Lepton universality is truly enshrined in the Standard Model. If this universality is broken, we can say that we've found evidence for non-standard physics."

It would be tempting to disregard this finding as an anomaly, if it wasn't for the fact that a similar discovery about lepton decay was made by the BaBar experiment at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Centre in the US in 2012.
This experiment also looked at the decay of B mesons, but it achieved this decay by smashing together electrons, rather than the protons that power the LHC.

"The experiments were done in totally different environments, but they reflect the same physical model. This replication provides an important independent check on the observations," University of Maryland physicist Brian Hamilton explained. "The added weight of two experiments is the key here. This suggests that it's not just an instrumental effect - it's pointing to real physics."

The team now needs to confirm their observations with further experiments. The data used for this research were collected during the first run of the LHC between 2011 and 2012 - the same run that found the Higgs boson, which was the last missing piece of the Standard Model. But now that the particle accelerator is on its second run and achieving record-breaking energy levels, they'll have an even better chance of catching the decay in action again.

"We are planning a range of other measurements. The LHCb experiment is taking more data during the second run right now," said Jawahery. "Any knowledge from here on helps us learn more about how the universe evolved to this point. For example, we know that dark matter and dark energy exist, but we don't yet know what they are or how to explain them. Our result could be a part of that puzzle ... If we can demonstrate that there are missing particles and interactions beyond the Standard Model, it could help complete the picture."

Sorry for not including more links and explanations; I'm on a smartphone. But this is pretty exciting.

From what I understand, they're not quite ready to say we have a problem with our quantum mechanics equations, and they're waiting to get the LHC up to full energy in order to run the tests again and confirm the findings.

woot!

Edit: never done one of these before, but "check me for loose wires if old."
 

ElTorro

I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
They should declare this experiment non-canon.
 

PSqueak

Banned
Man, my brain can barely contain the excitement for the idea of scientists finding out something that proves everything we know about physics is wrong.

That's how you can tell Science is actually advancing, proving itself wrong as it goes!
 

Daedardus

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For a scientist, being proven wrong is better than being proven right, because that means the playing field changes and new discoveries can be made, leading to applications that weren't thought to be possible before.
 

kswiston

Member
Man, my brain can barely contain the excitement for the idea of scientists finding out something that proves everything we know about physics is wrong.

That's how you can tell Science is actually advancing, proving itself wrong as it goes!

It's not so much that everything we know is wrong as it is the fact that our current models don't explain all observations, and are therefore not complete/in need of correction.

It's not like the whole study of physics has to be scrapped and re-thought. We still use classical Newtonian physics where it yields accurate predictions, even if it doesn't describe the true state of the universe.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
The only bummer about being alive to see these advances in physics is the very real possibility that the new findings will soon literally be incomprehensible to classical thinking and only expressable mathematically or in metaphor.

For curious laymen I mean.
 

ElTorro

I wanted to dominate the living room. Then I took an ESRAM in the knee.
Nothing like self-renewing job security.

Scientist A: "Ok, I guess that finally confirms the standard model. Anything to do tomorrow?"
Scientist B secretly loosens a cable.
Scientist B: "Run it again, just to double check."
 

PSqueak

Banned
It's not so much that everything we know is wrong as it is the fact that our current models don't explain all observations, and are therefore not complete/in need of correction.

It's not like the whole study of physics has to be scrapped and re-thought. We still use classical Newtonian physics where it yields accurate predictions, even if it doesn't describe the true state of the universe.

Well, of course, hahaha, but, i mean, it still would technically be a "new model", so to speak, what we currently thought was an immutable law might turn out to not be, that's a pretty big deal.
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
The only bummer about being alive to see these advances in physics is the very real possibility that the new findings will soon literally be incomprehensible to classical thinking and only expressable mathematically or in metaphor.

For curious laymen I mean.

We reached that point about 100 years ago.
 

Log4Girlz

Member
The only bummer about being alive to see these advances in physics is the very real possibility that the new findings will soon literally be incomprehensible to classical thinking and only expressable mathematically or in metaphor.

For curious laymen I mean.

Like current quantum mechanics?
 

Kenai

Member
For a scientist, being proven wrong is better than being proven right, because that means the playing field changes and new discoveries can be made, leading to applications that weren't thought to be possible before.

Yep. This is really, really exciting. For something as fundamental is this, it's got some serious gamechanging potential.

Wish i had the aptitude for this kind of research, I can't even imagine being skilled enough to work on something so groundbreaking to how we see and explain the world.
 

DarkKyo

Member
At some point we are going to learn something about the universe that is absolutely terrifying to the mortals that inhabit it.
 

CTLance

Member
That a pretty fundamental discovery, if it can be validated. Neat stuff. I readily confess to not groking even the tiniest bit about all of this shit, but I understand it's kicking our current model of How The World Works in the shins, and that's always an exciting prospect.
 
For a scientist, being proven wrong is better than being proven right, because that means the playing field changes and new discoveries can be made, leading to applications that weren't thought to be possible before.

Not necessarily. Confirming the predictions of theories in real world experiments is also amazingly satisfied. Higgs Boson was one such.
 

Kimawolf

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I think the most terrifying thing would be finding out we're living in a simulation.
What? To you its still real rather we are all simz or not. And it will open up vast new possibilities. Besides we may be a simulation anyhow. Think about it. If we can make full universe simulations then what are the odds WE are the "true" creators and not just a higher form of simulation inside of a greater simulation?
 
This sounds interesting. What's the knock-on result of this being confirmed? Does it set up for a total replacement of the Standard Model or just reworking it?

(I'm still waiting on the whole get-someplace-faster-than-light-can thing, you know)
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
1. this is awesome

2. still worried about the cold-dark theory more or less confirmed

3. i know #2 doesn't relate to #1 or this thread but where else are we gonna lament that this is all for naught
 

twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
For a scientist, being proven wrong is better than being proven right, because that means the playing field changes and new discoveries can be made, leading to applications that weren't thought to be possible before.

That's not really true. Being 'proven' right is good too, since it settles disputes and lets scientists work on filling out the gaps in a theory.
 
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