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Sega Saturn Appreciation and Emulation Thread
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Yes, I believe this is the case, too. I think I've got a third party S-video cable around somewhere.
cj_iwakura
Member
I had a thought; any interest in a monthly 'Finish a Saturn game' thread like the PS1/PSN thread?
I have the perfect candidate if so, but it's kind of rare.
(Albert Odyssey: Legend of Eldean)
I have the perfect candidate if so, but it's kind of rare.
(Albert Odyssey: Legend of Eldean)
I don't have Albert Odyssey, but I think I might be interested in something like this.
Link to the PS1/PSN thread? (to see how this works)
It supports S-video, but I think you have to have an actual Saturn S-video cable (with saturn input), and not just a normal cable. Unless thats what you meant by third party.
As long as you dont pick Panzer Dragoon Saga
I'd be up for it too (the thread in general, dont have Albert Odyssey yet).Yeah, it has an actual Saturn input, but I don't think it's an official SEGA cable. If I remember correctly, I got it off ebay years ago and didn't get any official packaging with it. I'll have to try to dig it out when I'm at home later.
That just might do it. I've been meaning to finish that game. I'm probably just reaching the midpoint, but I can't recall for sure. Just hope I have my save still. Either on the Action Replay, but if it's on my Dragon Force Memory cart, I'll probably have to start over. No big deal, but that AR cart's connectors are a bit bigger than official carts and might make other carts unreadable since the pins are too far apart. This may be pretty simple, but is there a way to realign the cartridge slot's connectors?
Likewise, it's what I have hooked up to my TV as well. Not official, but works just fine. I'll take ANYTHING above Composite if it's supported.
Seven Force
Banned
Finally got a copy of Marvel Super Heroes Vs. Street Fighter. Needed to get it since I wasn't entirely sure if I had the Action Replay cart that has problems playing it. Guess I can buy Vampire Savior without hesitation now.
Afterburner II's standalone JP release definitely had an option for slightly remixed music. I think Space Harrier was identical for both regions, though.
Saturn definitely does S-Video out of the box. Good luck finding the cables, though. They seem to pop up online less frequently with each passing year.
Just make sure to get a Model 2 Saturn controller along with the Action Replay (and 3D Controller, if you plan on getting NiGHTS down the line) and you'll be set.
Afterburner II's standalone JP release definitely had an option for slightly remixed music. I think Space Harrier was identical for both regions, though.
Saturn definitely does S-Video out of the box. Good luck finding the cables, though. They seem to pop up online less frequently with each passing year.
Just make sure to get a Model 2 Saturn controller along with the Action Replay (and 3D Controller, if you plan on getting NiGHTS down the line) and you'll be set.
Cool, in the CRT thread someone posted about third party saturn s-video working just fine.
Heh same situation/test I used for my action replay. Going to have to hunt down some cables too...especially since Racketboy is sold out. On a related topic, I need to find a SNES/N64/Gamecube S-video cable. Official are too rare, and I havent seen any Hori.
Just bought a couple of these about a month ago:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005RH4D/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Seven Force
Banned
I was lucky enough to find someone the Saturn cables on eBay back in December. Hopefully they get some more in stock soon.
So, here's a question to anyone who purchases JP region games (Which is probably nearly everyone that regularly posts in here, heh): Do you care about having the spine card with your games? I got my first one today with MSHvSF, and while I don't really care if I have them one way or the other, I know some people that absolutely won't buy a game if the spine card isn't a part of it.
cj_iwakura
Member
Sometimes if you pull the cart forward(i.e. towards you) it reads it again. I have to tinker with mine, but it eventually reads.
I almost got to the end when I bought it, but I've never finished it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511094
And I don't own PDS either, so I wouldn't pick that.
cj_iwakura
Member
Brush off your Working Designs Ultra Series, it's game time.
IrishNinja
Member
okay, thanks for the help so far guys! yeah, a few cheaper s-vid cables were sold several weeks back, nothing at the moment sadly.
the unit i'm looking at, the seller says the battery's dead. any idea which one it uses, and is it easy to replace? maybe i should've done this for my poor dreamcast so it'd stop asking me what today's date is all the time
the unit i'm looking at, the seller says the battery's dead. any idea which one it uses, and is it easy to replace? maybe i should've done this for my poor dreamcast so it'd stop asking me what today's date is all the time
Yup, easy-peasy to change. Uses the common CR2032 battery.
Jake Tower
Banned
Saturn uses a CR2032 battery, which is cheap and easy to replace. There's a door on the back of the console that opens to replace it.
IrishNinja
Member
nice, thanks guys! that's one stop down. outta curiosity, anyone know if the DC was similarly easy?
DC harder. Soldering....different battery. Though the VMU takes two of the 2032s.
Lee Chaolan
Member
Sega Saturn is so good. Does anyone still regularly stream Saturn games? I came across a Saturn Bomberman tournament stream once.
Best ever.
Best ever.
cj_iwakura
Member
I do sometimes, when my desktop's internet works, I did Soul Hackers on it a while back.
Maybe not streaming, but once I get some decent equipment I might put some youtube stuff up. I know its not the same as something live though.
IrishNinja
Member
damn...trickier finding a saturn s-video cable than i thought! i had bad timing with those auctions.
looking again the system i'm eying brings an RF adapter...ugh, i gotta find this thing quick, any ideas?
looking again the system i'm eying brings an RF adapter...ugh, i gotta find this thing quick, any ideas?
Jake Tower
Banned
You can at least get composite AV cables from racketboy http://www.racketboy.com/store/sega-saturn/sega-saturn-av-cables.html
He carries the s-video cable but it shows out of stock.
Midnight Bliss
Member
I grew up with pretty much all the major systems and most of the best games for them, and I'm still of the opinion that the saturn was/is the greatest console ever made. Even though when I was younger I'd lean more towards the snes or ps1 but as time has made me realize which games aged well and which didn't. Saturn had probably the best console game ever made which was Guardian Heroes and the second best console game ever made which was Panzer Dragoon Saga (from a game play and design perspective for both). And while it had some other games that still hold up as do other systems, the fact alone that I feel the way I do about the games for the system is what makes it so amazing for me. It's odd because growing up I liked sega, nintendo and sony but was never a huge sega fan, but really liked the games on sega systems a lot. It wasn't until I was older when I realized just how important an impact they had on me.
It always angered me growing up and even now how people will disregard sega from their glory days. They really have no idea how good sega had it, and hell even sega had no idea how good sega had it.
It always angered me growing up and even now how people will disregard sega from their glory days. They really have no idea how good sega had it, and hell even sega had no idea how good sega had it.
IrishNinja
Member
yeah, good looking out - i just added the s-video cables to my wishlist, hope they email me if they get any! it's a great site.
thanks a lot Tekno, i'd appreciate it man. and to the last line - i forget where i read it, but i wanna say the people that were selling several often said they'd brought them from japan? could be wrong.
it doesn't look nearly as bad as say gamecube component cables, just that stock is low at the moment. i mean, here's 4 from somebody in my home state for less than $20 just a week or so ago.
Shadow Hog
Member
I guess I'm glad I upgraded to S-Video when I did?
I mean, shattered illusions of transparencies from dithered meshes aside, it was a pretty good upgrade. Not that composite, in the Saturn's case, was all that bad, but still, I like my pixels as clean as can be, but wasn't really in the market for a SCART RGB->component converter, so this was a good compromise.
I mean, shattered illusions of transparencies from dithered meshes aside, it was a pretty good upgrade. Not that composite, in the Saturn's case, was all that bad, but still, I like my pixels as clean as can be, but wasn't really in the market for a SCART RGB->component converter, so this was a good compromise.
Seven Force
Banned
Picked up Vampire Savior and a replacement Model 2 controller (My old one's been broken for a while, so I've been using my Model 1 & 3D Controllers instead) today. Gonna have to see if I can print out a back cover & spine since I'm really anal about having those with my games.
That's the seller where I bought mine from, actually. Around December or so, they had about 20 of 'em in stock. Hopefully they get some in soon.
That's the seller where I bought mine from, actually. Around December or so, they had about 20 of 'em in stock. Hopefully they get some in soon.
I am absolutely floored that the US got a localization of Night Warriors back in the day. That game was so freaking awesome, and the fact that it included a mode to view hitboxes was absolutely unreal.
Lee Chaolan
Member
Hey, I'm not picky. Anything you want to do is appreciate. 8)
IrishNinja
Member
good news! just heard back from said seller, says he'll have more up this weekend, woo hoo!
I'll be following this too. Love these threads on GAF!
Genesis Knight
Member
Haha, yes. Saturn is one of the best for shmups. Here you go:
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/sega/saturn/sega-saturn-shmups-2d-shooters
Your first shmup purchase - and don't let anyone tell you otherwise - is Soukyugurentai.
Shadow Hog
Member
Wow, $66? That really rose in price since I bought it. :I
(Then again, my copy's a loose disc and manual, so...)
(Then again, my copy's a loose disc and manual, so...)
Genesis Knight
Member
Enjoy! You can't beat it for dollar-to-awesome ratio.
papersleeves
Member
Haha I do not want to debate my friend but I prefer Thunder Force V over Soukyugurentai while Layer Section trumps both of them on dollar-to-awesomeness ratio
The collection is quite awesome so I'd say: hell yes.
Might want to look for Bubble Symphony as well.
And don't forget Mizubaku Daibouken, which is absolutely brilliant.
Genesis Knight
Member
Haha I do not want to debate my friend but I prefer Thunder Force V over Soukyugurentai while Layer Section trumps both of them on dollar-to-awesomeness ratio
Yikes, TFV? Damn. I'm a huge Thunder Force and Technosoft fan but aside from the music Souky has TFV beat. For one, it runs smoothly and doesn't look like ass.
Layer Section / Galactic Attack is a good choice too. Not as cheap as it used to be.
ExitPlanetDust
Member
Soukyugurentai is my favorite shmup of all time. Something really cool about it. Incredible layers of 3D rendered sprites give the game a sense of depth that I only experience with Layer Section (when it comes to sprite based shoot em' ups). I love the weird ass 1970s space-punk aesthetic and the ridiculously non-aerodynamic ships zipping and spinning about while that Japanese industrial music pulses in the background. The difficulty is just right. Not as insane as Garegga, but still very Raizing. Oh and it's nice to play a vertical shmup that doesn't require you tossing your TV on its side every now and again.
encephalon
Member
What's the best shmup for someone who doesn't really ever play shmups? I'm always interested in improving my Saturn library, but there's an entire genre that's really well represented on the Saturn that I haven't touched. The closest thing I have to them are the Panzer Dragoon games, which are lock on rail shooters.
Ingueferroque
Banned
Layer Section is great, and not too crazy.
Guardian Force is also a good choice, not expensive and has an interesting control scheme.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnZQOArzztI
ExitPlanetDust
Member
Yeah, definitely Layer Section/Galactic Attack/Gunloc.
papersleeves
Member
Guardian Force is like $80. It's rather expensive.
I fully support Layer Section as a first shmup attempt. Not too hard and really captivating.
I would also consider Cotton 2. Very beautiful and beginner friendly with its life bar.
Some might think of this as a crazy idea, but I've enlighten many peoples to the shmup sub-genre by showing them Dodonpachi. I can't recommend it enough. Might seem overwhelming at first, but it's really not as the game is more than fair with the bombs provision.
Genesis Knight
Member
Man, I can't agree with Guardian Force or Cotton 2 for newbie shmup recommendations. Guardian Force is expensive and a bit generic, and Cotton 2 is expensive and tough.
Start with Galactic Attack if you can't play JP games, or Soukyugurentai or Gunbird if you can.
Start with Galactic Attack if you can't play JP games, or Soukyugurentai or Gunbird if you can.
papersleeves
Member
Cotton 2, although certainly not cheap, isn't all that tough, well not as much as Souky anyway. Also, calling Guardian Force generic but then going on recommending Gunbird feels weird to me, to say the least. I would put Gunbird in the same field as Strikers 1945 in term of "generic-ness".