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Sega Saturn Appreciation and Emulation Thread
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Shadow Hog
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I actually have a brand new/sealed US version of Doom, got it for something like 15$ 4 years ago. I was intrigued to try it at first, but after I saw some videos and heard the general consensus about it, I won't touch it.
Papersleeves is always asking me to open it, but it won't happen.
IIRC one of the bigger issues is that it was a port of the PS1 version, instead of being developed ground-up for the console like the Lobotomy Software trilogy were. And, well, it shows. Framerate is abysmal.
Funnily enough, the Japanese release was done by an entirely different team. It's still a port of the PS1 version, but apparently the framerate is better. I own this version, in fact.
Still... I never owned the US version to compare it to, and speaking purely as a comparison between playing this version or buying it on Steam and breaking out GZDoom... do the latter. Seriously. There's almost no reason to give Doom on the Saturn or PS1 the time of day anymore when you could be playing the game with an uncapped framerate and access to a bajillion new levels. There's even a total conversion that ported the PS1 ports of Doom and Final Doom back to the ZDoom engine, if you're really curious about what you missed.
Yikes, that's a tough call: twinsticks + Saturn Virtual On, or standard controller + more contemporary Virtual On. To me, much of the Virtual On experience lies with the sticks. But then again, I suck at the game. lol
Is there a Saturn > PS2 adapter that the Saturn twinsticks would work with?
ExitPlanetDust
Member
The Saturn version of Virtual On is pretty damned sharp. In some ways I actually prefer it to the Model 2 original.
ExitPlanetDust
Member
Dash canceling most definitely is in the Saturn version of VO. Unless I'm using the term for a different technique.
ExitPlanetDust
Member
Gotcha'. I thought you were talking about pulling in the opposite direction and hitting dash again.
papersleeves
Member
I actually have a brand new/sealed US version of Doom, got it for something like 15$ 4 years ago. I was intrigued to try it at first, but after I saw some videos and heard the general consensus about it, I won't touch it.
Papersleeves is always asking me to open it, but it won't happen.
I swear one of these days I'll make it happen. You just wait!
ExitPlanetDust
Member
Envy. Solid import collection.
ExitPlanetDust
Member
Working on a Batsugun right now, myself. Just waiting on sellers to reply. *sigh*
ExitPlanetDust
Member
Thanks for the tip, but that's a bit more than I was hoping to spend. If either of my deals pans out, I will be spending considerably less.
But you miss out on the games inside the cases.
What do they look like? I thought they just were like the American and large glass/plastic cases.
Shadow Hog
Member
IIRC they're closer to those cardboard DVD cases you sometimes find, where you have this large black plastic clasp on the opening end that goes in front of the front of the box. You open that, and the front is then free to open and close at will.
Although note that I've never once owned a PAL release, and can't say as I have much need to, either. I could be waaaaay inaccurate with this (and probably am).
Although note that I've never once owned a PAL release, and can't say as I have much need to, either. I could be waaaaay inaccurate with this (and probably am).
Ingueferroque
Banned
Did the Saturn version of Vandal Hearts have any additional content over the PS1 version? Or was it just a straight port like Suikoden 1?
Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJMqMlSTii8
I don't remember the PS1 intro to have this cut or music, so that is probably already a change.
Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJMqMlSTii8
I don't remember the PS1 intro to have this cut or music, so that is probably already a change.
papersleeves
Member
Aren't they cardboard boxes like first print PS1 games?
Ingueferroque
Banned
Some of them were cardboard with some hard-plastic elements glued on, but later releases were really nice full-plastic cases.
Ingueferroque
Banned
Here's a good image of a late-release PAL Saturn game, the case was full plastic.
The problem with these cases was that the manuals weren't really held that tight, so they tended to push the CD loose in the case if you weren't careful.
Nothing beats the simple Jewel Cases/spine card combo that they had in Japan.
I fully agree. Too bad japanese is not my thing.
Seven Force
Banned
I have a soft spot for the US cases, myself. There's something awesome looking about a shelf lined with US Saturn games.
Love the simple elegance of the JP jewel cases, though.
Love the simple elegance of the JP jewel cases, though.
HoodWinked
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meh obnoxiously large. no likey
early ps1 games had large boxes too.
early ps1 games had large boxes too.
Thanks! Amassed over the last 12 years or so.
I paid fair market value for those two; sadly, didn't come by any awesome deals. ;_; (Though I did buy Radiant Silvergun upon its release for $50.)
I like the US cases, too. I just wish they weren't so fragile. Seems they crack if you even look at them wrong. D=
I read that using a S-Video cable is better then the RF (which is what I'm using) and composite video. Is that true. Any example of how much better?
Edit: I see prices for $70+ online. Composite prices are $5. Holy crap that is expensive. Is it worth it? What do you all think?
Edit 2: I actually found 1 for $50 from the UK. I'd assume there is no region coding in the cables right? lol
Edit: I see prices for $70+ online. Composite prices are $5. Holy crap that is expensive. Is it worth it? What do you all think?
Edit 2: I actually found 1 for $50 from the UK. I'd assume there is no region coding in the cables right? lol
Shadow Hog
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Yes, S-Video is better than composite. I've got no good images to illustrate, but y'know the mesh transparencies most Saturn games have? On composite and RF, those actually kinda look transparent. On S-Video, you see them for what they are: meshes of fully transparent pixels with fully opaque ones. Generally sharper image all around, too.
Composite is definitely better than RF, though, so, uh, there's that.
$50? You kiddin' me? I paid $10 or so for one from Racketboy. Jeez, this S-Video cable shortage is obscene.
Composite is definitely better than RF, though, so, uh, there's that.
$50? You kiddin' me? I paid $10 or so for one from Racketboy. Jeez, this S-Video cable shortage is obscene.
I got some Saturn S-Video cable on eBay for very cheap (~$12?). And yes, it is miles better than composite, let alone RF. You'll be stunned.
edit: ouch, looks like the seller I bought 'em from doesn't have any up right now. Weird.
I see Sega Saturn SCART is kinda pricey, but cheaper at $30. I don't think any of my TVs even have SCARt input though.
I'll keep an eye out for S-Video cables, as I think I'd rather spend some extra $ for the nicer look.
Good to know. Btw: who is the seller? I'll watch his store for them in the future
I'll keep an eye out for S-Video cables, as I think I'd rather spend some extra $ for the nicer look.
Good to know. Btw: who is the seller? I'll watch his store for them in the future
Here: http://www.ebay.com/sch/retro_console_accessories/m.html
Looks like they've got some RGB at the moment, but no s-video.
Looks like they've got some RGB at the moment, but no s-video.
Seven Force
Banned
Yeah, seems like the stock for it has dried up for a lot of online sellers, unfortunately. When I did see them for sale, they never seemed to be more than $20. (I paid around $18 for mine)
I checked Racketboy and they now list it for $25. Granted of course they are out of stock. Someone in the UK is selling it fairly cheap. but because of lousy exchange rate, it comes out to $50 USD..
Oh well, at least for now I found a seller selling the composite version for $7 inb my own state. So should be here within a few days.
Oh well, at least for now I found a seller selling the composite version for $7 inb my own state. So should be here within a few days.
Jake Tower
Banned
I'm sure I paid around $10 on ebay for my s-video cable in 2006.
WTF is going on with prices?
WTF is going on with prices?
I'll take it! Oh yeah, I'm almost cool!
In a somewhat related note this thread now has me obsessing over the Mission Stick... I must play Panzer Dragoon at max level.
Also this lack of S-vid option is making me consider just jumping onto the RGB -> component route sooner rather than later.
Keep going down that rabbit hole and you'll be like me and end up playing with commercial broadcast monitors and seriously considering picking up a $500 scaler like the XRGB.
ExitPlanetDust
Member
goddamnit...
...off to Craiglist to hunt for PVMs.
...off to Craiglist to hunt for PVMs.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I just caught this disease. RGB's a hell of a drug.
IrishNinja
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yeah, that seller never put em up but again she did say she would soon...i could always contact her again. i gave up because late the other night someone had a pair for $16 shipped, so i just jumped on that! hoping ti gets here around the same time as the system. keep an eye on ebay, they totally happen but yeah, current one from EU is like about $50 shipped for me as well.
also since i have so many loose PSX/DC/Sega-CD etc discs ive just given up and have everything in regular DVD cases with covers printed from The Cover Project, they don't have everything but they're pretty thorough. and i missed that whole gen but while US saturn cases look interesting, those JP ones are dead sexy.
honestly, i was this close to doing SCART to component for SNES, genesis, saturn etc but im out of outlets and i think ill just s-vid everything and skip phase 2, one day when i have a house/am balling ill have a dedicated Classic Game Room/bar and just bite the scaler bullet...im still dying to see it in motion though
also since i have so many loose PSX/DC/Sega-CD etc discs ive just given up and have everything in regular DVD cases with covers printed from The Cover Project, they don't have everything but they're pretty thorough. and i missed that whole gen but while US saturn cases look interesting, those JP ones are dead sexy.
honestly, i was this close to doing SCART to component for SNES, genesis, saturn etc but im out of outlets and i think ill just s-vid everything and skip phase 2, one day when i have a house/am balling ill have a dedicated Classic Game Room/bar and just bite the scaler bullet...im still dying to see it in motion though
KDash31987
Member
For those wondering about the differences between composite and S-Video, I took some comparison shots just now of Last Bronx:
Even from these off-screen shots, you can tell that there's a noticeable difference. The difference in person is pretty huge.
As a bonus, here are some shots from Guilty Gear X2 on the PlayStation 2 which should make it even more obvious. Composite, S-Video. I was playing it right before I took the Last Bronx ones, so I decided to try taking some shots of that first.
Composite said:
S-Video said:
Even from these off-screen shots, you can tell that there's a noticeable difference. The difference in person is pretty huge.
As a bonus, here are some shots from Guilty Gear X2 on the PlayStation 2 which should make it even more obvious. Composite, S-Video. I was playing it right before I took the Last Bronx ones, so I decided to try taking some shots of that first.