cj_iwakura
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He also thought RPGs were a waste of time, and had no market in the US.
I would have loved to have seen his face when Final Fantasy VII came out.
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Sega Saturn Appreciation and Emulation Thread
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He also thought RPGs were a waste of time, and had no market in the US.
I would have loved to have seen his face when Final Fantasy VII came out.
Great stuff!
I booted PD right after watching your video! XD Good to see there's still a lot of people who kept interest in the Saturn, I thought my thread was dead since long!
To give a bit of a counter-opinion on Clockwork Knight, I played through it for the first time a week back and actually really liked it. Granted I am a huge fan of platformers but I thought the controls/design/etc were all solid. Visually it's a bit dated in places (the sprites have a prerendered low-res look to them, plus the 3D is definitely showing images), but I still found it charming and fun.
It's also quite surreal how much the cut scenes remind me of Toy Story, but the game actually pre-dates the film!
I'm still eager to get more games for the Saturn. It's quite exciting to collect for, having missed out on it back in the day. Not to mention being eager to try all these interesting gems that fans praise. Am currently trying to get a 3D controller for a decent price, don't want to play through my copy of NiGHTS with the dpad!
It's also quite surreal how much the cut scenes remind me of Toy Story, but the game actually pre-dates the film!
I'm still eager to get more games for the Saturn. It's quite exciting to collect for, having missed out on it back in the day. Not to mention being eager to try all these interesting gems that fans praise. Am currently trying to get a 3D controller for a decent price, don't want to play through my copy of NiGHTS with the dpad!
ExitPlanetDust
Member
I can't wait to see you guys play some VF.
Genesis Knight
Member
Fighting Vipers and Fighters Megamix are kind of tough to play when VF2 looks and runs so much better.
Thank you, Jazzem, Genesis, and Goofster for more opinions.
I guess Clockwork Knight and Fighters Megamix are the kind of games that I won't put high on my priority list, but I'll pick them up if I see them at a really good price.
The prices for Shining Force 3 are a lot higher than what I'm willing to pay, but Shining the Holy Ark is in the low-40 to high-50 range depending on quality, so I'm thinking about picking that up.
I guess Clockwork Knight and Fighters Megamix are the kind of games that I won't put high on my priority list, but I'll pick them up if I see them at a really good price.
The prices for Shining Force 3 are a lot higher than what I'm willing to pay, but Shining the Holy Ark is in the low-40 to high-50 range depending on quality, so I'm thinking about picking that up.
With Model2 emulation at near-perfect levels, these days it's much better to play them on MAME instead. You'd be amazed at how much better looking they are compared to the Saturn ports (which for home consoles were still quite delicious).
Why play on MAME when you can play them on ElSemi's Model 2 emulator with 3D acceleration and widescreen hacks?
http://nebula.emulatronia.com/
Click to enlarge:
drhankmccoyphd
Member
So I just ordered a Saturn, how should I hook it up my LCD? Most sites say s-video.
Damon Bennet
Member
omg orgasm. loved vf2.
anyone remember last bronx? that was awesome too, made me buy a dreamcast for soul calibur, as i wanted a weapon based fighter so much
Oh, I use that. I just couldn't remember its name. So, y'know, "mame"!
Emperor Bohe
Member
I bought a scart RGB to component converter only to find that it doesnt work on my HDTV =(
I played the hell out of Last Bronx back in the day, such an underrated game.
Genesis Knight
Member
Oh, indeed. But a lot of these comparisons aren't fair if you bring in emulation.
I love the hell out of Last Bronx; I just wish it didn't have all the polygonal flickering. Still, my second favorite 3D fighter after VF2 on Saturn.
Well, of course not. It's just that in a thread talking about playing Saturn games we should talk about whether the arcade ports are better elsewhere. 99% of the time the answer is "yes, emulate the arcade game itself".Oh, indeed. But a lot of these comparisons aren't fair if you bring in emulation.
I think if someone was to say "I just got a Saturn - what games should I get?" and someone says Street Fighter or Virtua Fighter they're doing a disservice to the question.
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
know what i miss most about the sega saturn? the damn controller. i would kill for a usb one ...its still my fav of all time.
Guy, USB Saturn aren't exactly uncommon.
Genesis Knight
Member
There was a guy on Racketboy selling brand-new-in-box type-2 Saturn controllers a while back. Bought 2, should have bought 10.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
You shouldn't spread that kind of lie. Most of the bootlegs have awful build quality.ebay - sure the majority are bootleg, but the bootlegs are just as good as the real thing
Best bet is to buy the original controller and a USB converter of some kind.
My experience is they're fine.
drhankmccoyphd
Member
U n i o n 0015
Member
Something about those crisply visible polygons is a style that I still enjoy.
Genesis Knight
Member
You have to use a Saturn cable because the end that connects to the console is its own special jack. That said, you should be playing on SCART RGB (with a converter if you're in the USA like me) if you're using an HD screen.
drhankmccoyphd
Member
Yeah, I looked into those they're just a bit more than I'm willing to spend.
sixteen-bit
Member
Yeah. Looks even better in high-res.
U n i o n 0015
Member
Most of the ~$50 converters have no way of passing audio, no? I think I looked into them but I would've had to do some wire splicing to pass audio.
ExitPlanetDust
Member
The JP Model 1 I picked up is now clean and it has a new backup battery. I'm going to use it as my primary Saturn for awhile. I finally had some time to head to the store and grab a can of compressed air and a CR2032. Damn, those batteries are hard to find. Everyone was sold out. I had to go to 2 different stores.
sixteen-bit
Member
Yeah. My SCART cable has separate RCA audio leads and I use those.
lol, thanks but i'm using all my money in neo geo AES games xD
Genesis Knight
Member
You can also pick up a SCART audio breakout plug for under $5, which is what I have.
Welcome in the club!
Fox- Great collection! How is the Cotton series? I always was interested but never tried it in order to know. Great shmup overall?
ExitPlanetDust
Member
i'm playing a lot with cotton in these days. i'm loving it, but to be honest, this is my only game of the saga. great gameplay and level design, graphics and music, anyway.
Genesis Knight
Member
Here's my collection. I go for US longboxes wherever possible. Started collecting Saturn again in August after selling off my collection some years ago. Prices have gone up. :/
Those Japanese guide books are for Legend of Oasis / Thor: Seireiohkiden.
Those Japanese guide books are for Legend of Oasis / Thor: Seireiohkiden.
U n i o n 0015
Member
Lots of good stuff there!
What's the longbox with the blank title?
What's the longbox with the blank title?
Dog Problems
Banned
Astal
Genesis Knight
Member
Astal pisses the hell out of me, even more than Doom 32X.
I mean seriously, what the shit:
BTW LastWindow, your copies of RS and Gunbird say hey. They say they hope the cash is treating you well.
I mean seriously, what the shit:
BTW LastWindow, your copies of RS and Gunbird say hey. They say they hope the cash is treating you well.
Dog Problems
Banned
Haha, tell them the cash has given a Vita a nice home.
Edit: Nice collection, by the way.
Genesis Knight
Member
Oh yeah, you were saving for that Vita. And thanks. I'm focusing on imports for the next bit - shmups and fighters and such. Got DoDonPachi coming in the mail and I hope to pick up TFV soon. Otherwise I'm working my Dreamcast import collection (CvSNK2, Fighting Vipers 2) and my Dreamcast shmup collection (Mars Matrix, Gunbird 2).
I'm focusing on imports for the next bit - shmups and fighters and such. Got DoDonPachi coming in the mail and I hope to pick up TFV soon. Otherwise I'm working my Dreamcast import collection (CvSNK2, Fighting Vipers 2) and my Dreamcast shmup collection (Mars Matrix, Gunbird 2).
DangerStepp
Member
This thread is a blessing.
Do you know how long I have waited for a decent Saturn emu?
Do you know how long I have waited for a decent Saturn emu?
ExitPlanetDust
Member
Soukyugurentai related:
Also posted on shmups and Racketboy in hopes of finding more people to test.
I noticed something very odd while playing Soukyugurentai Otokuyo tonight on my newly acquired Model 1 Japanese Saturn. I was playing on Arcade Difficulty (5) as I usually do on my Model 2 US Saturn and the game was noticeably more difficult. More enemies, the enemies were more aggressive, there were more bullets and the bullets were faster. Even bosses were starting patterns they normally don't unless I have the difficulty set to 6 or 7.
I erased any saved data from the Action Replay 4 in 1 menus and tried again with the Action Replay unplugged. I thought maybe I was experiencing some kind of cheat device deterrent. > But that wasn't the case. It was still much more difficult than what I had experienced when playing on AC difficulty in the past on my US Model 2 Saturn.
So I hooked up the Model 2, erased all saved data and started on AC difficulty. Just as I suspected, the game was quite a bit easier.
Can anyone else test this? Is it a difference between Japanese and other region systems, or a difference between Model 1 & 2 Saturns and not region specific at all? Is non-Otokuyo affected?
I have experienced little differences in loading and game play between Models 1 & 2 with other games in the past, but this is the first time I have seen differences this extreme.
Also posted on shmups and Racketboy in hopes of finding more people to test.
I noticed something very odd while playing Soukyugurentai Otokuyo tonight on my newly acquired Model 1 Japanese Saturn. I was playing on Arcade Difficulty (5) as I usually do on my Model 2 US Saturn and the game was noticeably more difficult. More enemies, the enemies were more aggressive, there were more bullets and the bullets were faster. Even bosses were starting patterns they normally don't unless I have the difficulty set to 6 or 7.
I erased any saved data from the Action Replay 4 in 1 menus and tried again with the Action Replay unplugged. I thought maybe I was experiencing some kind of cheat device deterrent. >
But that wasn't the case. It was still much more difficult than what I had experienced when playing on AC difficulty in the past on my US Model 2 Saturn.So I hooked up the Model 2, erased all saved data and started on AC difficulty. Just as I suspected, the game was quite a bit easier.
Can anyone else test this? Is it a difference between Japanese and other region systems, or a difference between Model 1 & 2 Saturns and not region specific at all? Is non-Otokuyo affected?
I have experienced little differences in loading and game play between Models 1 & 2 with other games in the past, but this is the first time I have seen differences this extreme.
dreamcastmaster
Banned
Soukyugurentai is one of the few Saturn games that was programed Dual language, when you play it on the US Saturn your getting the planned US version of the game. On the Jap Saturn you're playing the Japanese version as intended.