Well mod chips have existed for over a decade, so that's not the case. If there were anything interesting to run, this just opens it up to more people. I don't think the Saturn homebrew scene will get any kind of boost ever, it really just becomes less useful for the purpose every year it gets older. Example: an mp3 player would have been a somewhat cool novelty homebrew 6 years ago, but today with subscription based services it's even less appealing than it was then. Like going from 5% appealing to 2%, lol.
Sega Saturn Appreciation and Emulation Thread
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Well mod chips have existed for over a decade, so that's not the case. If there were anything interesting to run, this just opens it up to more people. I don't think the Saturn homebrew scene will get any kind of boost ever, it really just becomes less useful for the purpose every year it gets older. Example: an mp3 player would have been a somewhat cool novelty homebrew 6 years ago, but today with subscription based services it's even less appealing than it was then. Like going from 5% appealing to 2%, lol.
There is nothing really interesting. You could already launch homebrew by loading it via the parallel port of the Action Replay, and modchips and swaps bypass the authentification process entirely.
The Saturn is just a bitch to program on. I think you had a half-finished Master System emulator, and the usual proof of concept games like tic-tac-toe or sokoban. No one really cared and people just went Megadrive or Dreamcast instead.
sixteen-bit
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No idea sadly. I think I saw this on the shmups.com twitter.
Finally got my two Saturn games
Fire Pro Wrestling S 6 Man Scramble. Looks great.
And a complete Resident Evil. The game plays no problem. The packaging though...
The case was more scratched than my original Saturn Bomberman! the back has a hairline crack and the too fragile for its own good bottom lid tab arm is barely hanging. Okay. I knew it was in less than pristine condition. The front cover was expected
The inside is a whole different story.
How in the hell could this happen? paper eating insects?! Luckily an ebay seller is selling a better condition instructions and back panel that I quickly snapped up. I'll be on the lookout for more unneeded Sega CD/Saturn cases. I wish the custom cases were long enough to support the instructions or else I'd toss all the cases.
Fire Pro Wrestling S 6 Man Scramble. Looks great.
And a complete Resident Evil. The game plays no problem. The packaging though...
The case was more scratched than my original Saturn Bomberman! the back has a hairline crack and the too fragile for its own good bottom lid tab arm is barely hanging. Okay. I knew it was in less than pristine condition. The front cover was expected
The inside is a whole different story.
How in the hell could this happen? paper eating insects?! Luckily an ebay seller is selling a better condition instructions and back panel that I quickly snapped up. I'll be on the lookout for more unneeded Sega CD/Saturn cases. I wish the custom cases were long enough to support the instructions or else I'd toss all the cases.
sixteen-bit
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ExitPlanetDust
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Apparently the Saturn was so difficult to program for only a few companies ever got really good at it. It has a super esoteric design and I think most homebrew folks jumped to something more powerful and easier to code for like the Dreamcast. Hell even the emulators that are not abandoned are still having trouble running a lot of stuff.
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The Resident Evil saturn version has the battle mode right? I still need to get that so I can have every version of Resident Evil 1.
The Saturn version of RE is pretty excellent, I had it at release. It has the uncensored video intro, a couple of costumes, and the battle mode you mentioned. I can't think of any weaknesses except perhaps slightly longer loading through doorways and such, nothing anyone would really care about anymore. Too bad RE2 never made it to the system.
alf717
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Maybe the Japanese release but not the US version. US copies with the uncut intro is a myth.
ResidentDante
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Same for the PAL version, censored like the PS1 version.
But isn't the ability to run CDRs on it fairly new? And PC Emulation really only just seems to have figured it out. Maybe I'm wrong about that.
Yes, even without any mod chip you could swap trick to run unofficial code. You just need to lock the CD door sensor somehow.
Actually, since the Saturn is a potentially connected device, you could make a player for these subscription based services. I wish someone would make a modem or something wired/wifi to put in the expansion bay and devise a way to play the internet-based games in an easier way. Bringing the Saturn to the 21st century!
A bit off-topic, but didn't want to make a thread just for it.
If you ever wanted to play Model 2 Daytona USA with Model 3-ish looking textures (more detailed textures than the 2011 HD release on Xbox 360 / PS3) then I highly recommend Nuexx's Daytona USA ++ patch for ElSemi's SEGA Model 2 Emulator.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,137497.0.html
It has a number of new graphic options including easy 1920 x 1080, widescreen, AA and Textures HD among others.
The new HD textures only *seem* to be able to work with Daytona USA Special Edition (thus, the daytonase ROM).
My laptop does not even have an Nvidia or AMD GPU, merely Intel HD 3000 graphics and I get 60 FPS with the new HD textures in 1080p, although without AA.
When you enable Textures HD, it will take a minute or so to load, so don't think the Emu has crashed, just be patient.
1080p videos with HD Textures
Beginner Course (777 Speedway)
Advanced Course (Dinosaur Canyon)
*Still looking for a good video of Expert Course (Seaside Street Galaxy) with the new textures.
ElSemi's SEGA Model 2 Emulator home page
http://nebula.emulatronia.com/
Arcadecontrols thread with Daytona USA ++ patch download link
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,137497.0.html
ROMS? You're on your own, damnnit!
If you ever wanted to play Model 2 Daytona USA with Model 3-ish looking textures (more detailed textures than the 2011 HD release on Xbox 360 / PS3) then I highly recommend Nuexx's Daytona USA ++ patch for ElSemi's SEGA Model 2 Emulator.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,137497.0.html
It has a number of new graphic options including easy 1920 x 1080, widescreen, AA and Textures HD among others.
The new HD textures only *seem* to be able to work with Daytona USA Special Edition (thus, the daytonase ROM).
My laptop does not even have an Nvidia or AMD GPU, merely Intel HD 3000 graphics and I get 60 FPS with the new HD textures in 1080p, although without AA.
When you enable Textures HD, it will take a minute or so to load, so don't think the Emu has crashed, just be patient.
1080p videos with HD Textures
Beginner Course (777 Speedway)
Advanced Course (Dinosaur Canyon)
*Still looking for a good video of Expert Course (Seaside Street Galaxy) with the new textures.
ElSemi's SEGA Model 2 Emulator home page
http://nebula.emulatronia.com/
Arcadecontrols thread with Daytona USA ++ patch download link
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,137497.0.html
ROMS? You're on your own, damnnit!
Shadow Hog
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They got rid of the Sonic on the mountain.
I'll stick with the PSN version for my HD Daytona, thanks.
I'll stick with the PSN version for my HD Daytona, thanks.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Yeah, I'm not impressed either.
Bonus attract mode is nice, though.
Bonus attract mode is nice, though.
The PS3/360 version of Daytona HD makes all the other ports, well, unnecessary.
EDIT: I just checked a video of the hack. OMG the pop-up! I didn't think the original Model 2 version had that much pop-up
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
The only thing I don't like about that one is that the multiplayer options are too limited. Online only. Can't even do LAN.
Holy shit, I did not notice that.
Still, it's neat to see the upgraded textures.
For almost everyone though, the PS3-PSN or XBLA-360 HD port is the one to play.
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Shadow Hog
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I heard the handling was better in the Japanese version.
I dunno, I only have the US one.
I dunno, I only have the US one.
MoGamesXNA
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The handling and especially the way the A.I. cars react is different in the Japanese '93 version. If either is "better", is subjective. Different, yes. There are no options for 'Grand Prix' or 'Endurance' modes though.
One thing is, I don't understand why the '93 ROM is not selectable / playable in the ++ patch, unless I am missing something.
It's certainly playable in the normal Model 2 Emulator though, always has been, AFAIK.
The attract sequences for each course are also different with the Japanese '93 version, and very fun to watch. There's some on Youtube.
Here's one (only 480p): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8PWoNzapkg
Also, correction, the HD textures do in fact work on most of Daytona USA hacks, I just can't get them to work on the standard daytonausa ROM.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
He's talking about CCE vs Japanese CE.
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Genesis Knight
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DUDE. The Saturn Wipeout XL is so awesome. Kind of hard to find sometimes though.
Do you feel the heartbeat of the night?
Hey guys, I figured we could have a sort of permanent ladder for the most common/popular games on the console, something that could be shown in the first post. Not a limited-time competition, more like a GAF All Time World Records. What do you think?
I'll start with my personal best on Sega Rally Championship:
Time Attack: Desert 3 laps 2'42"30 with a fastest lap of 0'53"49
Arcade, 1 lap: 3'27"27 (haven't even beat the default fastest time)
[edit] Done with the Celica Automatic, not a cheating car like the Stratos [/edit]
These are fastest times done years ago on automatic that I just recovered from my memory card. I'm sure I could beat them with a manual car but my handling is not what it used to be
What's your times, GAF?
Hey guys, I figured we could have a sort of permanent ladder for the most common/popular games on the console, something that could be shown in the first post. Not a limited-time competition, more like a GAF All Time World Records. What do you think?
I'll start with my personal best on Sega Rally Championship:
Time Attack: Desert 3 laps 2'42"30 with a fastest lap of 0'53"49
Arcade, 1 lap: 3'27"27 (haven't even beat the default fastest time)
[edit] Done with the Celica Automatic, not a cheating car like the Stratos
[/edit]These are fastest times done years ago on automatic that I just recovered from my memory card. I'm sure I could beat them with a manual car but my handling is not what it used to be
What's your times, GAF?
sixteen-bit
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I have never played a Daytona or Sega Rally game (outside of the demo for Revo). Are they worth revisiting today?
Sega Rally is still awesome. I think it's aged very well for an arcade racer and worth checking out especially for how cheap it goes for. Daytona is also cheap, but the Saturn versions aren't exactly the best. You've never payed Daytona in the arcade? At a Dave & Busters? That is where I would play Daytona or download it on PSN/Xbox LIve.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Daytona USA might literally be my favorite video game of all-time. I know I wouldn't need more than one hand to count everything else that would be in contention. I think it's literally impossible to convey how much of a presence that game had on its release. Witnessing the attract demo spanning across 8 big screen cabinets and literally claiming an entire wall of a building is a quintessential mid-90s arcade experience. In the pre-Saturn/PS1 era (and beyond, really), this was an event.
No console port will ever recapture the full experience, either. Some ports have janky handling; others don't translate well to standard gamepads. Head-to-head play (and even the distinctively aggressive and threatening and at-times reckless AI in solo play) was a huge part of the appeal, and the force-feedback and sound design of the cabinet brought that to life; that just can't be replicated to the same degree at home.
It was the main reason I saved up money for a Saturn. Even though that port was rushed, 1-player only, and poor on most technical metrics, it at least controlled well enough to serve as practice for "the real thing," so I was satisfied with it for that reason alone. Championship Circuit Edition fucked with the handling and neutered the AI so much that I can barely call it a Daytona game. Daytona 2001 on Dreamcast was a competent enough effort, but I was always disappointed that it was made in lieu of a proper Daytona 2 port.
The HD re-release is the definitive version, although finding competition for that is an unfortunate hassle, and it probably takes some time to come to grips with how it handles on an analog stick if you're not already accustomed to the game.
No console port will ever recapture the full experience, either. Some ports have janky handling; others don't translate well to standard gamepads. Head-to-head play (and even the distinctively aggressive and threatening and at-times reckless AI in solo play) was a huge part of the appeal, and the force-feedback and sound design of the cabinet brought that to life; that just can't be replicated to the same degree at home.
It was the main reason I saved up money for a Saturn. Even though that port was rushed, 1-player only, and poor on most technical metrics, it at least controlled well enough to serve as practice for "the real thing," so I was satisfied with it for that reason alone. Championship Circuit Edition fucked with the handling and neutered the AI so much that I can barely call it a Daytona game. Daytona 2001 on Dreamcast was a competent enough effort, but I was always disappointed that it was made in lieu of a proper Daytona 2 port.
The HD re-release is the definitive version, although finding competition for that is an unfortunate hassle, and it probably takes some time to come to grips with how it handles on an analog stick if you're not already accustomed to the game.
I never played the original Saturn release but CE is one of my favorite game on Saturn.
Yes, among the best Saturn games IMO (Only played to Daytona CE though).
Never forget:
MoGamesXNA
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The first games I got after getting my Saturn were Sega Rally and Daytona USA CE (my Saturn is a Japanese model). I play both games almost daily for 10 - 30 minutes. Really good fun. I never got to experience their hayday (being born in Germany in 1995 and starting gaming at the age of 9 on a GBA), so I was experiencing these games for the first time just a few months ago, and it was absolutely awesome.
I prefer both games to many modern racing games. Not because of their looks, not necessarily because of the gameplay (though Sega Rally controls like a bliss), but because of their soundtracks. Oh god the sountracks. They absolutely make the games for me, which is why, should you want to play Daytona USA on the Saturn, you have, and I stress absolutely HAVE to play the Circuit Edition (which seems to be better than the American/European Championship Circuit Edition it is derived from). It's just a fantastic experience and I've been listening to both soundtracks regularly while driving on the Autobahn or playing any racing games on PC or those that feature custom sondtracks on consoles. Feels so good, and that alone made buying a Saturn worth it for me. So my response would be a resounding yes. Helps that both games still control really well. They just feel right.
Edit: Might post my times for those games later, though I think they're worse than those already posted by you guys.
I have a mysterious Ghost data for Daytona named DAYTONA96_1 . Yet I can't find a way to play it in CE. I suspect it may come from my old copy of CCE and they may share their save name. And I can't play CCE (PAL), the console hangs at the Daytona trademark screen, neither opening the CD door nor pressing reset do anything, I have to hard reboot it. Could it be because of conflicting name saves with incompatible data?
People with only CE or CCE, can you tell me how your data is called?
You should, everybody should give it a try
On that note, can we combine times for CE,CCE and classic? Or is the engine different enough to give one some advantage?
People with only CE or CCE, can you tell me how your data is called?
Edit: Might post my times for those games later, though I think they're worse than those already posted by you guys.
You should, everybody should give it a try
On that note, can we combine times for CE,CCE and classic? Or is the engine different enough to give one some advantage?
Mine, from CE, is DAYTONA96_0. I'd guess it counts up if you have more than one save with the same base name (DAYTONA96), but I don't even know if that's possible.
Edit: And yeah, you should try saving the data on a memory card and then try to start CCE. It might want to load DAYTONA69_0, but freezes since that data belongs to CE. Should be worth giving it a try at least.
Also, here are my times:
Daytona USA CE:
Three Seven Speedway: 2'31''02, Lap: 0'18''18
Dinosaur Canyon: 3'21''41, Lap: 0'47''91
Seaside Street Galaxy: 4'05''13, Lap: 1'59''79
National Park Speedway: Too bad to be shown in the ingame records list (lol), Lap: 0'38''96
Desert City: 3'50''29, Lap: 0'53''89
All of these times are in Arcade mode and with normal round settings.
Sega Rally Championship:
Arcade Championship Mode:
1 Lap: 3'31''42
3 Laps: 10'26''43
Time Attack:
Desert: 2'47''62, Lap: 0'54''35
I have no times for the other tracks unfortunately.
what the fuck man! the xbla release was one of my top 10 games this past gen easily. get in there!
IrishNinja
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Never forget:
countless JP vs US cover art threads in GAF were wasted without this example
sixteen-bit
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I'll cop that when I pick up a point card. Between XBLA and PSN, is there a clear preference?
IrishNinja
Member
goddamn, don't know how i missed this but im dying to know how much it'd cost to import
Sweet ^
I remember when Cyber Station arcade in the Golf Mill Shopping Center in Niles, IL. just outside of Chicago got a single player Daytona USA Deluxe cab w/ 50 inch projection TV like this one. It was spring of '94, there were crowds around the game, people watching, they were just awestruck at what they were seeing--And seeing being played. They were amazed and in disbelief at the same time.
The Ridge Racer cab nearby had been there since fall '93, and it was from then on ignored, sitting empty. Mind you, that was before that arcade got 2 twin-cabs for 4-players. That setup was there for years, constantly raking in quarters.
Daytona USA was arguably the highest profiting coin-op game of all time, not merely Sega's most successful arcade game.
So true. Nothing can re-create that experience, or the memories.
First game I played on Saturn was that port of Daytona, and that was within days of the limited and early May '95 launch.
I know, and I would have rather had at least the Daytona 2 courses in Daytona 2001 instead of the 3 new ones they made exclusively for the Dreamcast game.
Finding competition is indeed a time consuming proposition, although the controls on Dual Shock 3 are very well implemented, it controls so very well. I just don't know if I should invest in the G27 for PS3 now, for one game, or wait until I have PC capable of running Supermodel for Scud Race/Sega Super GT and Daytona 2.
Emperor Bohe
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grab it on XBLA, only because I have it on that platform =D we should organize some online games on 360. the game did have online play right? I don't remember...
edit: yo that pseudo-Saturn breakthrough is awesome
I don't have a ps3 so I prefer the xbla version
Damn. I feel poverty as fuck! I've only seen 4-player setups of Daytona USA.
Yeah I did that, and CCE have the same name DAYTONA96_0 for its records, except the size is 59 blocks instead of 64 for CE. You can't have both on one console, it doesn't bother CE who will write over it but CCE just hangs.
And keep them records going! I'm compiling them now, will give a recap in an hour or so for our American friends who just get home. I'm quite open to any game, as long as there are more than one person willing to participate lol
Heh. I've never even seen a normal one. And I already freaked out when I came across a twin cabinet of Sega Rally two months ago while on a trip in Vienna. I'd love to have that arcade feeling one time. Will probably never happen though.