Senate Republicans block pay equity bill

Status
Not open for further replies.
Isn't it sexist to assume that men are better negotiators than women? Is there any statistical data to back the assertion that women require negotiation training? .
It's not really that the men are better, as much as it is that the men are more likely to negotiate in the first place. When you look at compensation preferences among men/women, the women tend to prefer a more collaborative/spread out structure, the men tend to prefer one that's much more individually oriented. Which is a nice way of saying "the guys tend to be more selfish than the women as a whole." (related stat: Democrats lean female, the GOP leans male. :-P )
 
It's not really that the men are better, as much as it is that the men are more likely to negotiate in the first place. When you look at compensation preferences among men/women, the women tend to prefer a more collaborative/spread out structure, the men tend to prefer one that's much more individually oriented. Which is a nice way of saying "the guys tend to be more selfish than the women as a whole." (related stat: Democrats lean female, the GOP leans male. :-P )

That would also have the implication of saying that men are required to be selfish if they're the sole or larger breadwinner of the household, wouldn't it?
 
Aren't the midterm elections coming up?

How do the seats looks like this year? From all of the bad press the GOP has received, I'd be surprised if they even hold onto a slight majority.

Dems are going to get destroyed in the upcoming midterms. House will prob lose a few seats. Thiis doesn't matter because the House isn't a democratic institution and the minority party is essentially a perma lame duck, esp w/Hasert Rule. Senate will prob be a +7ish gain giving them the majority. Essentially guaranteeing that Obama can't appoint people easily in his final 2 years.

The silver lining here is that the GOP will have to own the dysfucntion to an extent. If they fully"control" Congress while it fails to handle basic tasks like passing budgets and keeping the government open; whoever their presidential nominee is will have to deal with it and given how unfavorable the 2016 cycle is for a generic Repbulican, this will further cement that they will get obliterated in the presidential election.
 
It's not really that the men are better, as much as it is that the men are more likely to negotiate in the first place. When you look at compensation preferences among men/women, the women tend to prefer a more collaborative/spread out structure, the men tend to prefer one that's much more individually oriented. Which is a nice way of saying "the guys tend to be more selfish than the women as a whole." (related stat: Democrats lean female, the GOP leans male. :-P )

More like women undervalue themselves. Google has an internal study where they found that the women weren't pursuing upward movement without encouragement.
 
More like women undervalue themselves. Google has an internal study where they found that the women weren't pursuing upward movement without encouragement.
Yeah, women under-value their worth/ability while men over-value it. The problem is that you actively need to be aware of the issues and put in the time/effort to gently course-correct like Google did- but most employes aren't even going to be thinking along those lines, leaving the "natural state" to play out in most cases. (And it's not exactly the sort of thing that's "easy" to force them to do, as it's going to require an individual approach for each institution.) The issues with "weed-out" intro courses in college discouraging more women than men from pursuing majors is another similar case.
 
It's not really that - this is showing up in general across the board regardless of if you have a family or not. Here's a good Atlantic write up on the confidence gap issues that play out here- http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/04/the-confidence-gap/359815/

Great article. I found this especially interesting:

Linda Babcock, a professor of economics at Carnegie Mellon University and the author of Women Don’t Ask, has found, in studies of business-school students, that men initiate salary negotiations four times as often as women do, and that when women do negotiate, they ask for 30 percent less money than men do. At Manchester Business School, in England, professor Marilyn Davidson has seen the same phenomenon, and believes that it comes from a lack of confidence. Each year she asks her students what they expect to earn, and what they deserve to earn, five years after graduation. “I’ve been doing this for about seven years,” she has written, “and every year there are massive differences between the male and female responses.” On average, she reports, the men think they deserve $80,000 a year and the women $64,000—or 20 percent less.

A meticulous 2003 study by the Cornell psychologist David Dunning and the Washington State University psychologist Joyce Ehrlinger homed in on the relationship between female confidence and competence. At the time, Dunning and a Cornell colleague, Justin Kruger, were just finishing their seminal work on something that’s since been dubbed the Dunning-Kruger effect: the tendency for some people to substantially overestimate their abilities. The less competent people are, the more they overestimate their abilities—which makes a strange kind of sense.

This is the clincher I found most interesting/eye opening:

Talking with Ehrlinger, we were reminded of something Hewlett-Packard discovered several years ago, when it was trying to figure out how to get more women into top management positions. A review of personnel records found that women working at HP applied for a promotion only when they believed they met 100 percent of the qualifications listed for the job. Men were happy to apply when they thought they could meet 60 percent of the job requirements. At HP, and in study after study, the data confirm what we instinctively know. Underqualified and underprepared men don’t think twice about leaning in. Overqualified and overprepared, too many women still hold back. Women feel confident only when they are perfect. Or practically perfect.

So trying to be perfectly qualified or over qualified For mid level/executive positions can be a limiting factor in upward career mobility with women. Does office politics play any roles in these decisions as well?

I can see that being a major inhibitor of career women.
 
Lol, addresses pretty much every point people had.

But hey, it's just for midterm politics, it would never work!
(i) is not based upon or derived from a sex-based differential in
compensation; (ii) is job-related with respect to the position in
question; and (iii) is consistent with business necessity. Such defense
shall not apply where the employee demonstrates that an alternative
employment practice exists that would serve the same business purpose
without producing such differential and that the employer has refused
to adopt such alternative practice.

eh, it's sorta worded in a way that can be used both ways. How do you prove a thing like company culture or communication skills or ambition?

"How many ambition do you have?"
"So many ambition"
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom