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Seth MacFarlane's "American Dad" reviewed in NYT
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explodet said:
I agree I want to throw down
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Fisticuffs!
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mrmyth said:
^ that be the reason I would like to fight this fool I don't care if American Dad sucks but don't go there... for Miyazaki's sake alone
The article really is a masterpiece of trolling. It starts off with a little light trolling, alleging that the only real reason Family Guy was successful was because of a cult following--not quite saying that it deserved to flop, but stepping up to the line without crossing it. Then it goes on to say that The Simpsons is as good as it's ever been in season 16, riling up the fanboy reader even more. Then--bam!--the coup de grace shot at anime comes right out of nowhere, and she compares it not to a later anime-influenced Disney film like The Lion King, but with Fantasia, bringing up all sorts of East vs. West and hand-drawn vs. CG issues. Seriously:
That is one of the most trollerific sentences I've ever seen, I think. I'd love to see the hate mail she gets today.
That is one of the most trollerific sentences I've ever seen, I think. I'd love to see the hate mail she gets today.
Gee, I like how he blanket-states anime based on what appears to be his vast personal knowledge of the Dragonball Z series or something. Some of the most beautiful animation I've seen has been in anime movies. And The Simpsons as "manically witty as ever"? Don't make me puke on my 104-key black Dell keyboard with two 2.0 USB ports.
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First off dont go by anything the New York Times prints. They think that their shit dont stink, and that they are this reputable paper. Also, anyone who reads the NYT, well mostly everyone, will probably not watch that show, and also, probably have no idea who Seth McFarlane is or what Family Guy is...
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Firstly: I really think Fantasia is one of the most artistic animated films ever made, and whether or not any anime can compare is just a matter of taste. The comment did seem like a needless bash though and this reviewer most likely hasn't seen anything more than a few minutes of Dragonball Z or something.
Secondly: Simpsons is crap now. It has been for some time. The audience knows it, Harry Shearer knows it, and even with Al Jean coming back as Executive Producer, it hasn't nearly reached the peak that it once did.
Thirdly: I think that Macfarlane is a pretty funny guy, but I think Family Guy is pretty overrated. I don't know about this new show, but Family Guy was too scatterbrained, and too random to the point where it seemed Macfarlane was doing anything for a chuckle. It's impressive when a show makes South Park look contextually coherent.
Secondly: Simpsons is crap now. It has been for some time. The audience knows it, Harry Shearer knows it, and even with Al Jean coming back as Executive Producer, it hasn't nearly reached the peak that it once did.
Thirdly: I think that Macfarlane is a pretty funny guy, but I think Family Guy is pretty overrated. I don't know about this new show, but Family Guy was too scatterbrained, and too random to the point where it seemed Macfarlane was doing anything for a chuckle. It's impressive when a show makes South Park look contextually coherent.
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My problem with the comment had nothing to do with the quality of Fantasia, a film that I believe is one of Disney's creative peaks. It just seems like some kind of low blow to compare modern anime with a film made by a company that has changed drastically since that time period. Plus the statement wasn't very clear about what anime is being used in the comparison--Dragonball Z is a far cry from Spirited Away and people who can't see really shouldn't make such claims about the state of animation here and abroad.
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Yeah I can see that. Again, I'm not trying to defend the comment but rather posts that would bring Fantasia down a notch in an effort to defend anime. You are right when you say it's unfair of her to compare the two; you look at the Miyazaki films or "Grave of the Fireflies" and you have an incredible more amount of spirit and integrity than modern Disney outings like "Home on the Range."
1. Artistically, Fantasia is better than the majority of anime. Suck it up, anime geeks. And it was made several decades ago.
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Why can't people just FUCKING LET GO of the Simpsons and admit to themselves that it's a piece of shit compared to what it used to be? As fresh and witty as ever? FYUTA.
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Whoops, there goes their credibility.
Why can't people just FUCKING LET GO of the Simpsons and admit to themselves that it's a piece of shit compared to what it used to be? As fresh and witty as ever? FYUTA.
NPR's Day To Day program also had a review of American Dad today. I missed the first part of the review, but the reviewer really liked the biting political satire and then expressed concern with Fox's track record on canceling cartoons...
The review will be posted as streaming audio at 3PM EST: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4486105
The review will be posted as streaming audio at 3PM EST: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4486105
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The American Dad preview was terrible; it felt like an SNL-caliber parody of Family Guy. I'll give American Dad awhile because it is McFarlane and it took some time before I thought Family Guy became funny.
I just watched the pilot and im very impressed. The humor is on par with half of the Family Guy episodes (not the ones you hear people quoting all the time). I think it will be able to hold its own as long as the characters can separate themselves from Family Guy. Similar style and voices may hurt it in that department.
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Compared to their older stuff perhaps but that's when Disney was actual spending money on a film. You could point the same out for older anime films where budgets were just much better.
Today, anime > anything Disney produces animation-wise and I think most anime is poorly drawn at that.
The problem is regarding anime as a fucking show! He mentions American Dad is to Simpsons. A show, a show. As japanese anime is to Disney's Fantastia. It's a fucking medium! Anime is NOT going to change to 24 frames per second anytime soon ok. But it doesn't mean animation couldn't flourish under that if done right, which it does at times. I do agree however 95% of anime is crap. Give or take some percentage, if you aren't directed toward a good anime you're likely to walk into crap. Just the same though, in today's american animation, and today's disney, it's just as likely an encounter. Compare Miyazaki and Fantasia and both are gorgeous. Horrible comparison.
Except, she was talking about Fantasia, not newer Disney films. I still think it's retarded to pit all of Japanese animation against one American flick, though. It's like she went out of her way to offend Anime.Shouta said:Compared to their older stuff perhaps but that's when Disney was actual spending money on a film. You could point the same out for older anime films where budgets were just much better.
Today, anime > anything Disney produces animation-wise and I think most anime is poorly drawn at that.
I agree. I'll just wait to see it for myself. She obviously doesn't know what's funny, fresh, or witty.MetatronM said:
Shouta said:Compared to their older stuff perhaps but that's when Disney was actual spending money on a film. You could point the same out for older anime films where budgets were just much better.
Today, anime > anything Disney produces animation-wise and I think most anime is poorly drawn at that.
Eh, even the highest budget anime film ever(Spirited Away) has a relatively low amount of frames compared to a recent Disney film like Tarzan. There's just no comparison on a technical level.
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Yes. Yes it was terrible.
As for crudely drawn, I can't really agree. As mentioned just beforehand, there are quite a handful less frames in any given anime than in any Disney flick. Also of note are the simplistic/utilitarian art that most anime use.
It's a style, one that's simpler...dunno about crude, but it definitely is simpler.
USA Today says American dad is so-so
http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/reviews/2005-02-03-american-dad_x.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/reviews/2005-02-03-american-dad_x.htm
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