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SHOCKING! Many college athletes read and write at elementary school levels
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Am I bad for wondering the same
Yes, because all athletes are dumb as bricks and none of them actually deserve to be there based on academic qualifications.
Jesus. Get a grip.
I remember reading somewhere that Antonio Cromartie (CB for Jets) could barely read at a 2nd grade level while in college at Florida State.
IIRC he was a freak of nature coming out of the draft back in '06. It could be him.
Rodney McKay
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For me it was just some of the main, raw stuff you learn, like the different sentence type names and things like that. I had a job interview where they flew me to another state and I had to do about 3 hours of exams (which I didn't know about or prep for) with question like "here are 20 sentences, correct everything wrong with the sentence. Some sentences may not have anything wrong with them. you don't get to use spell check." So coming off of months of doing nothing but writing cover letters and sending resumes, I pretty much bombed those (My spelling is ATROCIOUS without spell check).
Thankfully I got a position that wasn't as concerned with testing for that stuff and more interested in actual writing work I had done, so it went well.
For technical writing it depends on which audience the document is intended for. If you're publishing a super technical paper meant for other people in your field, it's meant to be very complicated and a layperson probably wouldn't understand much of it.
If you're writing a White Paper then you want to write in a simpler style that is easy for readers of various backgrounds to understand. That involves a lot of defining terms, avoiding complicated terminology whenever possible, and summarizing things in ways that the majority of people can comprehend.
I edited a paper in college for a Pharmaceutical major and it was WAY too complicated for me (all about how some drug works to penetrate cell membranes) with lots of equations and chemical names. But the guy spoke English as a second language, so the paper had a lot of basic grammatical and syntax errors that was where my edits focused on. You basically have to rely on the subject matter experts to know what they're talking about, and tweak the paper to make it more readable.
way more
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But they know the language of math. Why would you waste your time with talking with non-STEM words when STEM means you can communicate more fully and richly? End scene!
And unfortunately that's all that will ever matter to some of these universities.
I mean, there's definitely a bunch of dudes in the NFL who are, uh, linguistically challenged. But man, I remember watching interviews of CJ2K back when that nickname wasn't a punchline, and I literally cringed every time he opened his mouth. I honestly just felt bad for the guy.
RedAssedApe
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derek rose comes to mind. didn't someone take his SATs for him?
criesofthepast
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Sad. I wonder how many of these players do more intensive degrees like life sciences or engineering. I'm guessing none? Are they all liberal arts/humanities students?
I thought they weren't allowed to play sports if you weren't doing well with your studies? How can one read at an elementary school level and be doing well at university level school work?
I thought they weren't allowed to play sports if you weren't doing well with your studies? How can one read at an elementary school level and be doing well at university level school work?
I remember reading that he got less than 500.
Many professors give them a pass... Especially if they are doing well in the sports they play.
GoldenEye 007
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A university able to provide a good education and athletics are not mutually exclusive. And weird that you're making such a blanket statement based off one university. A university that was busted for academic fraud nonetheless. The UNC situation isn't the norm.
My school for example has been proven to take things seriously, not compromise on admissions requirements and actually ultimately graduate players. And further, graduate players that will no longer contribute on the playing field. So it isn't as if they are just cast to the wayside if a better player comes in to replace them. They keep their scholarship.
entremet
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Relevant.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/10/the-case-against-high-school-sports/309447/
Although not college, but the system and attitude that creates this beast starts in HS.
The problem with the big college sports is that their basically minor leagues for pros. They should be divorced, IMO.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/10/the-case-against-high-school-sports/309447/
Although not college, but the system and attitude that creates this beast starts in HS.
The problem with the big college sports is that their basically minor leagues for pros. They should be divorced, IMO.
Featheredkitten
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That just makes me sad. It must be hard going through life without being able to write or read very well.
My only experience with college sports dudes is when I was taking a remedial college algebra (night) class at Pitt. My teacher mentioned that she had taught or was teaching nearly the whole football team. They were nice guys, quiet, tended to come in late because of practice. There's a guy who goes around and marks whether the players are in their classes or not. It's his whole job.
My only experience with college sports dudes is when I was taking a remedial college algebra (night) class at Pitt. My teacher mentioned that she had taught or was teaching nearly the whole football team. They were nice guys, quiet, tended to come in late because of practice. There's a guy who goes around and marks whether the players are in their classes or not. It's his whole job.
Gentleman Jack
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It really enrages me that the NCAA and the schools that profit so much off these athletes are taking things away with both hands. Not only are the athletes not rewarded with usable skills for a productive life outside of sports should their pro sports dreams go unfulfilled but they're required to dance for four consecutive years as their scholarships are dangled above their heads on strings named 'eligibility' and sometimes 'student code of honor.' They can't earn any money while in school and god forbid they learn something to help them make money when the school is done with them. The South Park slavery analogy is the most accurate thing that's been broadcast in 15 years.
The US idolises sports to such a degree its crazy. Universities should be about learning, not your favourite teams >_<
Not to mention all the people profiteering off these kids while the vast majority of them end up on the trash heap.
You guys need to disconnect sports and schools. Its not like its helping with the obesity either >.>
Not to mention all the people profiteering off these kids while the vast majority of them end up on the trash heap.
You guys need to disconnect sports and schools. Its not like its helping with the obesity either >.>
Phobophile
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They should just let American pro sports be like European soccer and just let 16 year olds play.
BannedEpisode
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You guys are making it sound like all college athletes are brain dead jocks. There certainly are people who take advantage of the system but come on.
Of course this is neogaf so blanket statements and hyperbole are to be expected.
Of course this is neogaf so blanket statements and hyperbole are to be expected.
Well, I have tried everything. Legal, illegal, nothing. I am at a loss.
I need this antiquity for an aquaintance who has had to reinstall his old crapola PC and now finds out her CD is... somewhere. Yadda yadda, Windows XP, blah blah, doesn't like new Corels. Besides, a new Corel is hellishly expensive. Plus she'D have to relearn so many things.
Halp :-\
I need this antiquity for an aquaintance who has had to reinstall his old crapola PC and now finds out her CD is... somewhere. Yadda yadda, Windows XP, blah blah, doesn't like new Corels. Besides, a new Corel is hellishly expensive. Plus she'D have to relearn so many things.
Halp :-\
Red Blaster
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i teach public speaking at a large public university
my student athletes so far have been either dumb as hell or among the smartest in the class
my student athletes so far have been either dumb as hell or among the smartest in the class
Extra Sauce
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I don't follow athletes but some of the shit they tweet must be amazing.
Id say this even being a minority is a huge issue. Either they need to create another pipeline to pro sports or force colleges to actually enforce their academic standards.
That free ride could have gone to someone who actually would have benefited from a college education who might not have had the opportunity. Instead, they gave it, likely funded with state dollars, to dudes who can't even read and will likely never sniff the pros
MrPink93485
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People wish they could throw down a speech like Jameis Winston last night at the BCS Championship Game.
Fenderputty
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Why is this news when most non athletes need remedial courses as well?
Our education sucks ... period.
Our education sucks ... period.
Gentleman Jack
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Jameis displaying his broad knowledge of every pronoun like a poet.
I think you posted in the wrong thread.
Dusk Soldier
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I've always thought that they should make a college program specifically for atheletes, instead of shoehorning them into fake liberal arts degrees that they won't follow through with and ultimately won't matter in the end.
Putting together a two or three year program can't be that hard, and there are probably many relevant courses offered at the university already.
Putting together a two or three year program can't be that hard, and there are probably many relevant courses offered at the university already.
yeah
but money is more important.
So no one cares that some dumbass that can't read a Dr. Seuss book is going to a top level university. they care about how much money he can generates, which is fucking depressing.
UF?
Anyways not surprising at all. That Jameis Winston interview after the game was cringe worthy.
Winning Texas high school football trophies is more important than learning though.
Dude Abides
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I thought it was pretty standard for an athlete post game interview.
Not really. Compared to all the other post game interviews from all the Bowl games. His interview was the worst.
chickdigger802
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i know athletes at GA Tech can read. I see them read naruto in class on their laptops.
But then their ability to play football is a bit suspect at times
But then their ability to play football is a bit suspect at times
Barack Lesnar
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...and is currently the head coach of the Brooklyn Nets @_____@
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NinjaFridge
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Did he write that himself?
R10Neymarfan
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He's still cool in my book
How dare you.
Vanillalite
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i know athletes at GA Tech can read. I see them read naruto in class on their laptops.
But then their ability to play football is a bit suspect at times
Note athletes here at GT are generally a cut above the rest. Problem is you look at the football record and you go well there ya go.
PeakPointMatrix
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I know he's not in college
First thing I thought of.
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Wow. Never saw this beauty before.
adamsappel
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Some students simply aren't prepared for or interested in academics, coaches insist on dedication to the team, professors and administrators conspire to pass athletes without merit, etc. I wouldn't mind seeing student-athletes on a part-time academic schedule, make a modest stipend, and be allowed to use their scholarships at a later date, if their dreams of professional sports are never realized.
I only heard this story on the radio, but it sounded like the only reason he got in trouble for the salary is because an administrator noticed he was teaching the class and did the paperwork for him to be paid. That will carry the harshest penalty, and yet he didn't even try to do that!
Wrong thread, I imagine.
I only heard this story on the radio, but it sounded like the only reason he got in trouble for the salary is because an administrator noticed he was teaching the class and did the paperwork for him to be paid. That will carry the harshest penalty, and yet he didn't even try to do that!
Wrong thread, I imagine.
Part of the reason why Kevin Garnett jumped straight to the NBA is because he couldn't get into college.
He wanted to play basketball and study to be an architect, but he failed to get at least a 17 on his ACTs 4 times (which was the NCAA standard), and the NBA draft was going to happen before he got his SAT scores, so he declared eligible for the draft. It wasn't until a few weeks after he was drafted that he learned that he passed his SATs, and at that point, he weighed his options and opted to just sign his NBA contract.
He wanted to play basketball and study to be an architect, but he failed to get at least a 17 on his ACTs 4 times (which was the NCAA standard), and the NBA draft was going to happen before he got his SAT scores, so he declared eligible for the draft. It wasn't until a few weeks after he was drafted that he learned that he passed his SATs, and at that point, he weighed his options and opted to just sign his NBA contract.
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