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[Myths]

They have been doing it since forever. Think back to FF VIII, FF XI, and FFXII. Never releasing Final Fantasy Versus XIII is still some bullshit though.

They wont acknowledge this, only for the games they like that are similar enough to their nostalgia

 

[Liopleurodon]

Regardless of everything, and what people will say online, Final Fantasy is still one of the few franchises that I am most interested in, and that includes, well, everything - be it main games, or spin-offs, or even something like that recently announced Dissidia Duellum gacha.

Pretty much always I will click on, and read fresh news, or articles about it as soon as I see them.

Looking forward to what they are cooking for Final Fantasy XVII.

 

[mdkirby]

16 was baaaad. 7 remake was ok, rebirth I tho I couldn't even finish. Never finished 15 either. 13 was also bad, lightning just wasn't good and the gameplay was bad, I recall referring to it as "final fantasy press X", as I worked out I could play it without looking at the screen, just pressing up until I hear battle music, then just press X until the music stopped…I timed myself doing this for 30 mins straight for some reason

I remember really enjoying 8 & 9 tho.

I dunno, reading that back, maybe I actually just don't like final fantasy

 

[PauloRoberto]

Yeah no, totally not. The world setting is much more interesting and extensive than many think.

Let's agree to disagree and Im sorry to say that, but if i need to read a book to see how the worldbuilding of a game is good... that means the worldbuilding of a game is anything BUT good.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

FF7 part 3 will release 2027, it had 4 years development by this time and its the 30th anniversary of FF7

Source?

 

[SkylineRKR]

Lightning Returns is secretly one of the best single player FF's released in a long time.

It isn't bloated, spanning perhaps 25 hours. You are free to choose. You work with a timer thats in reality absolutely not a threat and I didn't even bother to abuse stasis. Great combat, one of the better ATB combats out there imho. Challenging; a fresh game on Normal isn't easy. You do need some planning and bosses require balanced setups.

I liked a lot of its mechanics, you can regain stasis points by defeating powered up monsters. Which is a bit of risk/reward at first. You can actually make monster types go extinct by killing them x amount of times. Great rewards are behind this and they leave the map for good.

I really liked the enhanced version, much to my own surprise. They obviously made it on a budget, but apparently Square can create some neat stuff when pressed to do so. I beat it through GP way back, but eyeing a digital sale on this.

 

[Judge Magister]

Lightning Returns is secretly one of the best single player FF's released in a long time.

It isn't bloated, spanning perhaps 25 hours. You are free to choose. You work with a timer thats in reality absolutely not a threat and I didn't even bother to abuse stasis. Great combat, one of the better ATB combats out there imho. Challenging; a fresh game on Normal isn't easy. You do need some planning and bosses require balanced setups.

I liked a lot of its mechanics, you can regain stasis points by defeating powered up monsters. Which is a bit of risk/reward at first. You can actually make monster types go extinct by killing them x amount of times. Great rewards are behind this and they leave the map for good.

I really liked the enhanced version, much to my own surprise. They obviously made it on a budget, but apparently Square can create some neat stuff when pressed to do so. I beat it through GP way back, but eyeing a digital sale on this.

I prefer to be able to play with Lightning and i liked the game, but i hate the timer. You get bad ending if you fail by the way.
I ended up playing it on PS3 using a hack to stop it so i could explore everything with calm and enjoy the game.

 

[SkylineRKR]

I prefer to be able to play with Lightning and i liked the game, but i hate the timer. You get bad ending if you fail by the way.
I ended up playing it on PS3 using a hack to stop it so i could explore everything with calm and enjoy the game.

I understand this sentiment, but I liked the mechanic. It does add some sort of planning, as you need to do certain side quests in the morning, and others at night. and you want to do them en route. But if you do a few quests you will get an extra day at the end of the chapter.

But its overrated. Even if you don't spam chronostasis, you will likely end up with a full week of having nothing to do. I was literally sitting there doing shit, abusing the Inn and exterminating enemies. If you abuse chrono, well, then you can mop up everything at leisure.

 

[Komatsu]

I could not give less of a fuck about user scores as recorded on aggregate sites like Metacritic!

We all know their numbers are utter bullshit due to brigading and reactionary groupthink and not to be trusted PARTICULARLY in the case of titles that were particularly divisive at the time of launch. Highly relevant considering the historic backlash following FFXIII's release that basically ensured that Nier, which came out a couple of months later, received short-shrift by the critics and most users, despite it obviously being a superior release in all aspects but production values.

Aggregators are perfectly useful in capturing how player reception fluctuates over time and the scores attested dovetail with its (general, easily verified) poor estimation among most gaming communities.

Quickly checking Wikipedia shows an interesting phenomenon where both PS3 and 360 releases have Metascore in the 80's whilst the PC release is much lower at only 65%. This is pretty big caveat you fail to acknowledge./quote]

Those metascores reflect critical reception at the time of release (2009-2011). Irrelevant to my initial claim but I understand you needed to move the goalposts.

What further strikes me as suspect and disingenuous is the way you also find time to lump in the two cheaply mounted sequels, part 2 especially leaning heavily on resusing assets from the original release... So are you going to give any allowances from that being far less AAA yet still having a decent meta-score, hmmm?

If you think it's " disingenuous" to include 2 major JRPGs released between 2005 and 2020 in a table covering major JRPGs between 2005-2020, then we have much deeper issues here than your reading comprehension.

I'm done with this conversation as there are better things in life than arguing the obvious (FFXIII was poorly received). But you're welcome to move the goalposts yet again.

 

[Hudo]

Ivalice is the best thing that has ever come out of Square Enix.

 

[Myths]

Lightning Returns is secretly one of the best single player FF's released in a long time.

It isn't bloated, spanning perhaps 25 hours. You are free to choose. You work with a timer thats in reality absolutely not a threat and I didn't even bother to abuse stasis. Great combat, one of the better ATB combats out there imho. Challenging; a fresh game on Normal isn't easy. You do need some planning and bosses require balanced setups.

I liked a lot of its mechanics, you can regain stasis points by defeating powered up monsters. Which is a bit of risk/reward at first. You can actually make monster types go extinct by killing them x amount of times. Great rewards are behind this and they leave the map for good.

I really liked the enhanced version, much to my own surprise. They obviously made it on a budget, but apparently Square can create some neat stuff when pressed to do so. I beat it through GP way back, but eyeing a digital sale on this.

LRFFXIII is easily one of the best in the franchise. Shame it's under the radar with the name of the branding that is XIII.

 

[Clear]

I'm done with this conversation as there are better things in life than arguing the obvious (FFXIII was poorly received). But you're welcome to move the goalposts yet again.

Translation: You lost the argument.

 

[mopspear]

Fans aren't part of an homogenous group. Since most entries are different from eachother, fans will be fans for different reasons. My reason for being a fan isn't due to a specific gameplay style, an art style or a type of world. I'm a fan because of the crystals, summons, chocobos, moogles, the music, behemoths, Zu(s), killing godlikes,etc. And the fact that every mainline entry is it's own different thing.

This guy gets it. Nuance is important and the lack of respect for this kind of thinking makes me not want to post here sometimes.

 

[Aion002]

LRFFXIII is easily one of the best in the franchise. Shame it's under the radar with the name of the branding that is XIII.

I agree.

If LR was released today as a indie game on Steam with no connection to FF, many would love it.


But the expectations for a traditional FF game and some bad graphics (that damn dog), made most people hate it without even understanding what it was.

 

[Shaggidy]

I've always felt like a minority but I actually DO like how different all the Final Fantasy games are. If they stuck to just variations of the same rpg system I don't think I'd like it nearly as much. The only numbered game I haven't played is XI and out of all the others, the only one I don't really like is II. As for the VII remake, I think when its actually BEING a remake of VII, it's much better than the original. When it's doing the stupid KH, Nomura shit, it's way, way worse.

 

[Myths]

I agree.

If LR was released today as a indie game on Steam with no connection to FF, many would love it.


But the expectations for a traditional FF game and some bad graphics (that damn dog), made most people hate it without even understanding what it was.

If I ever release something, XIII as a whole (LR especially) in general would definitely be a trilogy I'd cite as inspiration.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Final Fantasy hasn't been good since the 12th entry

I know that one is divisive but that game has always been a close second when it comes to favorite Final Fantasy

I wish they would go back to turn based when it comes to battle system. Clair Obscur Expedition 33 showed that by it selling a ton of copies despite the battle system

 

[Madflavor]

Final Fantasy hasn't been good since the 12th entry

I know that one is divisive but that game has always been a close second when it comes to favorite Final Fantasy

I wish they would go back to turn based when it comes to battle system. Clair Obscur Expedition 33 showed that by it selling a ton of copies despite the battle system

I liked XII well enough, but it didn't hit like the previous ones did. I wish Matsuno got to stay on board and complete his vision. That said, the series has been mediocre longer than it's been good at this point. I loved XIV (which unfortunately has gotten worse but the story was done for me in EW anyway) and I've really enjoyed the Remake Trilogy so far despite the new story elements being garbage, but that's about it.

I wouldn't be surprised if XVII is turn based as a reaction to Clair Obscur, but that won't mean anything if they don't deliver on a good story. Unfortunately Square's writing staff are filled with older generations who are way passed their creative prime, and are dragging down the series. The IP desperately needs new blood with fresh ideas and perspectives. I might be interested in XVII if it goes turn based and has Ishikawa as the writer, but I emotionally clocked out after XVI. The trailers and marketing for that game looked like it was ticking every box for me, and the Prologue Demo fooled me into thinking we're finally getting a banger Final Fantasy again.

Not going to get blindsided anymore. Remake Part 3 will probably close the book on Final Fantasy for me, which is fitting considering VII was my intro to the series. Clair Obscur was the best Final Fantasy game I've played in decades. There will always be new teams to carry the torch.