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15 Things Apple Should Change in Mac OS X
Posted by Zonk on Friday December 15, @09:21AM
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richi writes "Two of Computerworld's top operating systems editors, a Mac expert and a Windows expert, compare notes on what Apple should reconsider as it develops Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard. Mac OS X 10.4, or Tiger, is (in their opinion) a noticeably better operating system than XP or Vista. But it is not perfect. OS X has its own quirks and flaws, and they set out to nail down some of the 'proud nails' for the next release."

From the article: "7. Inconsistent User Interface. Open iTunes, Safari and Mail. All three of these programs are Apple's own, and they're among the ones most likely to be used by Mac OS X users. So why do all three of them look different? Safari, like several other Apple-made apps such as the Finder and Address Book, uses a brushed-metal look. iTunes sports a flat gun-metal gray scheme and flat non-shiny scroll bars. Mail is somewhere in between: no brushed metal, lots of gun-metal gray, and the traditional shiny blue scroll bars. Apple is supposed to be the king of good UI, and in many areas, it is. But three widely used apps from the same company with a different look? Sometimes consistency isn't the hobgoblin of little minds."

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9006104

15 Things Apple Should Change in Mac OS X
Two of our top operating systems editors, a Mac expert and a Windows expert, compare notes on what Apple should reconsider as it develops Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard.

December 14, 2006 (Computerworld) -- In many ways, it's easy to slam Windows XP and Vista: Just start counting security flaws or user experience nightmares. When you're the Goliath of the operating system world, everyone wants to hurl stones. But what about the proverbial David, or in this case Apple Computer Inc.'s Mac OS X? Looking for flaws in Apple's OS seems like picking on the little guy -- until you remember that Apple is doing very well these days and has made much of its vaunted UI and seemingly secure OS underpinnings.

Even though it's been out for more than 18 months now, Mac OS X 10.4, or Tiger, is a noticeably better operating system than XP or Vista. But it's not perfect. OS X has its own quirks and flaws, little irritants made all the more irritating by the fact that they come out of Cupertino, which should know better. There are some things about the way it works that aren't as flexible, usable or convenient as Windows.

Since we highlighted 20 Things You Won't Like About Windows Vista, it's only fair to take a look at the little things in Tiger that users find equally annoying. With perhaps one or two exceptions, our list isn't about making Apple's OS work like Windows. It's about making the Mac all it can be.

There are probably a lot of features and functions that Apple could -- and probably will -- add to OS X. But we're not pointing out missing features; we're focusing on 15 of the little things already in OS X that need refinement or rethinking based on our everyday use of Macs.

15. No Date Display. For all their convenience features, one of the most obvious data points that neither the Mac nor Windows quite does properly is your basic readout of today's date. You probably already know today is Thursday or Friday. What you're more likely to be unsure of is whether today is December 7 or December 8. When you think about it, is there really any more obvious piece of information that people tend to forget than today's date? Isn't this an obvious thing a computer should display? We think so.

Apple displays the date, grayed out, on the menu that opens when you click the clock face on the right side of the main menu. Windows delivers today's date in a pop-up when you hover your mouse pointer over the clock in the taskbar. Until Vista, Windows didn't even have its own calendar. People use their Windows XP clock-settings configuration dialog to check calendar dates. (As a result, they often wind up changing their system dates accidentally -- which these days can trigger a nasty WGA (Windows Genuine Advantage) anti-piracy warning.)

Apple has a couple of choices. It could, and we think should, add a basic six-digit date area to the main menu-bar clock. It might read Dec-07, or for outside the U.S., 07-Dec. Considering all the other programs that append icons in that area, Apple should feel no compunction about using this space. Lose the day of the week if you have to, or make it optional. Another possibility is to make the iCal icon in the Dock dynamically display today's date at all times. It does so automatically whenever iCal is running. Why not just make it dynamically display today's date at all times?

14. Widgets Can't Be Placed on the Desktop. The Dashboard is very nice, but its all-or-nothing approach is frustrating. We want to be able to drag and drop individual widgets to the desktop. Granted, we don't want many widgets on the desktop. We might like more if they weren't so large. The Dashboard looks great, but while we nip in to use the calculator now and then, it doesn't get as much use as it might. There are also some readout-type functions (how hot is my Core 2 Duo?) we might like to have that just wouldn't be all that useful when you have to actively pursue them to see them. Windows Vista's Sidebar is slightly better than the Dashboard because it can optionally display at all times, or you can put individual Sidebar Gadgets on the desktop.

13. Inconsistent Use of Context Menus. Apple should fully enable context menus in Finder and other Apple software. We're not saying the Mac should rely solely on context menus in even tiny facets of the user interface -- that's a mistake Windows and third-party developers make on that platform. But context menus are useful process shortcuts for more experienced users. No one is forcing anyone to use them, so there's really no reason for longtime Mac users to be upset about this change to OS X. To each her own favorite way of working.

12. Documents and App Instances on the Dock. The Dock does an excellent job of launching and tracking launched applications. Its only weakness is tracking launched document windows and program instances. While it is possible to right-click a running program on the Dock to see and select among open windows associated with that program, that's the only way you can check this -- and some applications don't support it. We'll say it again: Context menus should never be the only UI for accessing something. The Dock is elegant in all other regards, and even a little ingenious. But in this one way, it falls down.

11. Managing Window Size. Window management is tough enough without giving the user only one corner that he can drag to change the window's size. Microsoft Windows lets you drag any window edge on all four sides, in addition to dragging two sides at once from any of the four corners. There are times when dragging a single window side could eliminate two adjustments on the Mac: a window resize followed by a window move. When you've used both operating systems, it becomes clear that Mac window resizing is less convenient. On the other hand, the Windows way of doing things requires precision mouse control, which can also be tiresome.

Here's a thought that's simple and solves about 80% of the problem. What if Apple made both lower corners of Mac windows draggable? What if all four corners were? Either of those minor improvements would be quite welcome.

10. Accessing Applications. The Dock offers a great way to show running applications and the programs you launch most often. But what about those applications you use only once in a while? The way it is now, you can either jam the Dock so full with program icons it's ridiculous or keep the Dock clean and then open a Finder window and drill down into the Applications folder to launch lesser-used apps. The previous generation Mac OS let you configure program launching on the Apple menu. While there are third-party solutions that give you back a semblance of that functionality, Apple needs to recognize this user need. (Reader Michael Cullison contributed to this pet peeve.)

What if, for example, the Dock could expand to show a second row (or column) of application icons? Some of us put the Application folder icon in the right side (or bottom) area of the Dock, which makes it easier to open the Application folder. And if you right-click the Application folder in that position, you'll see the contents of that folder in a pop-up menu. Perfecting that user experience and placing the Application folder on the Dock by default might be a good start.

9. Backspace and Delete Keys. The world holds millions and millions of computers that have Backspace (delete left) and Delete (delete right) keys. Most editors and writers who've been exposed to Windows notebook keyboards that have both of those keys can tell you that moving to a Mac notebook that has only a Backspace key (called "Delete" on the Mac) can be frustrating. Yes, yes, we know that Fn-Delete performs a delete-right operation. But that's not a good solution for touch typists.

The rest of the world long since accepted that IBM makes the best keyboards. Why can't Apple accept the standard in its notebooks? No one is complaining about the Apple key, for instance!

In case other ex-Windows users are frustrated by Mac notebook keyboards and especially the lack of a delete-right key, we highly recommend a freeware Preference Pane called DoubleCommand, written by Michael Baltaks.

Using this program we were able to transform the \ key to Delete forward. Holding down the Function key and pressing the key delivers the backslash symbol, so you haven't lost that ability. DoubleCommand also lets you make Shift-Delete perform a forward delete. There are many other adjustments you might like too.

Editor's Note: Yes, we're aware that item 9 is about Apple hardware, not Mac OS X. Indulge us.

8. Printer Setup. The process of configuring printers in OS X is confusing. It's almost as if Steve Jobs never actually tried this himself, because the way the printer-configuration screens work is quite un-Mac-like. Apple, you can do better than this.

7. Inconsistent User Interface. Open iTunes, Safari and Mail. All three of these programs are Apple's own, and they're among the ones most likely to be used by Mac OS X users. So why do all three of them look different? Safari, like several other Apple-made apps such as the Finder and Address Book, uses a brushed-metal look. iTunes sports a flat gun-metal gray scheme and flat non-shiny scroll bars. Mail is somewhere in between: no brushed metal, lots of gun-metal gray, and the traditional shiny blue scroll bars. Apple is supposed to be the king of good UI, and in many areas, it is. But three widely used apps from the same company with a different look? Sometimes consistency isn't the hobgoblin of little minds.

6. Laptop Screen Dimming. Yes, you can change the way your screen brightness behaves in the Energy Saver, setting it to dim before the computer goes to sleep. Or you can set it to use a lower brightness when on battery power. (It's one way to help get more juice from your laptop battery.) Unfortunately, setting that preference doesn't always "stick," meaning your screen will dim in about three or four minutes, regardless of how you set it or whether you're on battery power or AC. So far as we can tell, that automatic-screen dimming behavior is not user configurable. Apple has smartly made the dimming function turn off on its own while you're, say, watching a DVD on your Mac. But it's an annoyance that users should be able to defeat.

5. Managing Finder's Columns View, Problem No. 1. The Finder's "Columns" view, which offers a hierarchical display of successive folders, has many nice touches. For one thing, it's instantly understandable. It also scrolls to the right automatically as you click into each succeeding level. But there are three annoying aspects. The first is that sometimes the column areas open up too narrow to read their folder and file contents. Apple puts grab points only at the bottom of each column. The entire column separator should be grabbable. At the very least, there should be grab points at the top and bottom.

4. Managing Finder's Columns View, Problem No. 2. The second problem is that the columns should automatically attempt to open to a size that fully (or more fully) displays the names of the folders and files they contain. If you depress the Option key while you drag one of the grab points left or right, the Finder will expand all of the columns in unison, which is some help, but not ideal.

3. Managing Finder's Columns View, Problem No. 3. A third problem can occur when the Column view Finder window opens as part of an application dialog. In this setting, as you tunnel down a deep folder hierarchy, you may find that the left side of the Finder window has been pushed off the screen. That's because the starting point is anchored by the location of the application dialog box. Sometimes you may find that the button you need to press (like Save, Open, New Folder, whatever) is actually somewhere off-screen once you've navigated to the proper location in the folder hierarchy. While this doesn't happen often, it's ugly when it does.

2. Finder's Hobbled Cut Command. As far as we can tell, there's no way to Cut a file in Finder. The common usage in Windows is to use Edit > Cut and Edit > Paste to move a file from one location to another. The Finder does make it relatively easy to perform drag-and-drop moves, but there are times when that can be awkward, especially on smaller-screen Macs. In that case, being able to cut a file in one window, navigate to another window, and paste the file there is a handy alternative. While Finder offers the Cut command on its Edit menu, it doesn't work on files. And if you use keyboard commands instead (Command X and Command V, for example), it leaves the original file in place -- or in other words, it becomes a Copy, not a Cut, operation.

1. Dynamic Finder Refresh. One of the best features about the Mac is that most changes you make take effect immediately and dynamically update all open windows. In many places in the OS, you don't have to click "Save" or "OK" or reboot the computer for changes to take effect. The one place we've found that not to uniformly be the case is in the Finder, where changes you make (such as file renames) don't always dynamically update already open Windows. If at all possible, Apple should make the Finder dynamically update 100% of the time. But if the Mac's maker can't do that, it should bite the bullet and -- anathema though it may be -- add a Refresh option to the Finder.

Do you have your own list of Mac pet peeves, or do you want to take issue with ours? Share your thoughts on Computerworld's Sound Off forum: Mac OS X pet peeves.

Reader Peeves
Some readers have already sounded off about their Macintosh pet peeves, and here are some of things they picked at:

1. Over-protective Shutdown Error Trapping? When I shut down, I want to shut down. If I actively go through the process of choosing Shut Down or Restart, whether it be by selecting the option from the Apple menu or depressing a key combination, I want the system to shut down or reboot, not ask me if I'm sure. --Thom Reid

Editor's Note: Technically, the Mac will shut down or reboot without user input, but it waits two minutes to give users time to cancel in case they chose that action by mistake. Perhaps Apple could let users reduce the interval until shutdown -- 10 seconds seems a more useful wait time than two minutes for power users.

2. Renaming Isn't Easy. The process of renaming files is highly mouse-centric on the Mac. There's no F2 option (as there is on Windows) that lets you select the file and press F2 to expose the filename-editing mode. The mouse process requires very precisely timed mouse clicks. Anyone who has ever been forced to rename a long list of files under both Windows and Mac operating systems will likely agree that the Windows way is easier. --Michael Cullison

3. Secondary Mouse Button. My number one pet peeve is that Macintosh notebook computers only have one mouse button. Yes, I know that the Mighty Mouse has two invisible buttons and that the most recent releases of OS X Tiger have enabled an optional two-finger tap on the trackpad as a secondary click. But for those of us used to a real second button on our mobile computers, this can be really annoying. --Joe McClellan

This article is an excerpt from Scot's Newsletter, published by permission. Scot Finnie is Computerworld's online editorial director, and Ken Mingis is Computerworld's online news and Mac editor.
 

Phoenix

Member
1. Over-protective Shutdown Error Trapping? When I shut down, I want to shut down. If I actively go through the process of choosing Shut Down or Restart, whether it be by selecting the option from the Apple menu or depressing a key combination, I want the system to shut down or reboot, not ask me if I'm sure. --Thom Reid

Editor's Note: Technically, the Mac will shut down or reboot without user input, but it waits two minutes to give users time to cancel in case they chose that action by mistake. Perhaps Apple could let users reduce the interval until shutdown -- 10 seconds seems a more useful wait time than two minutes for power users.

The editor is wrong on this one. There are applications that can actually prevent the OS from shutting down and this is inexcusible. I put in a bug on every beta about this and haven't seen it fixed yet so I will continue to do so. Whn I say shutdown - every application should have a chance to ask me if I want to save with in that 2 minute window. if I don't "kill -9" those ****ers are make them save as a backup copy or something. Nothing pisses me off more in Mac land than a machine that simply won't shutdown when I tell it to. I could give two shits about some pidly application wanting to know if I wanted to close a window. I'm shutting down! Close the window or prepare to have your process terminated. Why does this piss me off so much you ask? Batterylife. If I tell my machine to shutdown and walk away from it to do something else and come back and its still on... you've wasted incredibly valuable battery life.
 

Mario_Hugo

Lisa Edelstein's dad touched my private parts. True fact.
The finder refresh thing drives me crazy too – I keep things sorted by date so i can get to the thign I'm working on quickest. Unfortunately, when I find the file and click, voila, the whole scheme refreshes and I'm opening a file I don't want to open.
 

djkimothy

Member
Read it this morning and it has some valid points.

This is stupid.

2. Renaming Isn't Easy. The process of renaming files is highly mouse-centric on the Mac. There's no F2 option (as there is on Windows) that lets you select the file and press F2 to expose the filename-editing mode. The mouse process requires very precisely timed mouse clicks. Anyone who has ever been forced to rename a long list of files under both Windows and Mac operating systems will likely agree that the Windows way is easier. --Michael Cullison

Select file, hit "Enter" button. Voila. A lot less ambiguous than hitting F2.
 

shantyman

WHO DEY!?
Some of these are simply wrong or dumb. They fail to mention that spotlight is a built in application launcher in item #10, and the printers? I see nothing wrong with setting up printers in OS X.

Also, there ARE delete keys on Apple keyboards, but it does not work as all inclusively as windows.\

Finally, how is accessing a calendar widget hard, or clicking the time in the upper right? 1 Extra mouse click? You can even assign a hot corner to dashboard.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Item 14 is going into Leopard.

Item 13 doesn't make much sense.

Item 12 says we shouldn't have to use context menus, but you can normal click and hold it down to pop up that menu, OR BETTER YET... he could try using expose which makes the whole issue moot.

Item 11 is a valid complaint, but there's no solution that doesn't have its drawbacks so I'd rather they leave it alone.

Item 10 is a non-issue from a defaults standpoint. It takes all of two clicks to get to the Applications folder, one if you add a shortcut to the dock. You can also just use spotlight, or even just a third-party option. Gotta love their two-row dock idea though, that'll eliminate clutter.

Item 9... wow, "The rest of the world long since accepted that IBM makes the best keyboards," huh... I'm sure that's REALLY why IBM PCs had such success. Not sure how hitting opposite corners of the keyboard is hard for touch typing though, since you probably had to move the cursor at that point anyway. Of course, there's always ctrl+D.

Item 8 strikes me as bizzare. Add an network printer in OSX and add the same printer in Windows. One is straightforward, the other is not. Hint: Having to "add port" is not straightforward.

Item 7 is valid, although I'm sure it's a product of having different release cycles.

Item 6 I haven't experienced myself, but if it's true then it's perfectly valid.

Items 5-3 regard the column view, which I don't use much, but they all sound valid.

Item 2 is definitely valid, as is Item 1.
 
Hitokage said:
Item 15 is retarded. Not everyone always remembers the day of the week, you know. :p
Plus you can just click the date to see the full date. I'm not quite sure why they listed it in the first place.
 

Macam

Banned
Phoenix said:
The editor is wrong on this one. There are applications that can actually prevent the OS from shutting down and this is inexcusible. I put in a bug on every beta about this and haven't seen it fixed yet so I will continue to do so. Whn I say shutdown - every application should have a chance to ask me if I want to save with in that 2 minute window. if I don't "kill -9" those ****ers are make them save as a backup copy or something. Nothing pisses me off more in Mac land than a machine that simply won't shutdown when I tell it to. I could give two shits about some pidly application wanting to know if I wanted to close a window. I'm shutting down! Close the window or prepare to have your process terminated. Why does this piss me off so much you ask? Batterylife. If I tell my machine to shutdown and walk away from it to do something else and come back and its still on... you've wasted incredibly valuable battery life.

Amen to that. MirrorAgent process, here's looking at you.

I don't really find that list to be particularly great. There are just far better problems to choose than the ones they did, with the exception of the Finder stuff; you can level just about any criticism at it with some success. Point in case, the way the Finder utterly chokes and dies when a network process (originating in the Finder) stalls indefinitely.

Their Dock suggestion is especially silly and it just seems like they're looking for DragThing. It's basically the ultimate Dock and, while it's handy, if you find the UI to be an utter catastrophe to navigate and make sense of, you'd be right. As for the date, just use MenuCalendarClock.
 

SuperPac

Member
Not an OSX beef necessarily, but I'd like it if iTunes could be used to manage all your media and not just Quicktime files and such. Mainly AVIs and WMVs...but I suppose that'll never happen. :\
 

mollipen

Member
15. Date and time
I can think of like a hundred things more worth fixing in OSX than this.

14. Widgets Can't Be Placed on the Desktop.
Meh... I'd much prefer Apple fix Dashboard so that it updates in the background properly. Always takes me forever to bring it up if I haven't used it in a while.

13. Inconsistent Use of Context Menus.
I always support better context menu usage, so yes.

12. Documents and App Instances on the Dock.
Sure, why not.

11. Managing Window Size.
I'm one of those people who almost never has a problem with this, so all I can do is shrug.

10. Accessing Applications.
Spotlight - type app name - there you go. Plus, I dunno... "drilling down to the Applications folder" for me usually consists of going to the Finder and clicking "Applications" in my Finder sidebar. Wow, that's tough.

9. Backspace and Delete Keys.
Sure, whatever. Again, my complaints are far larger, but I can understand how little things like this could bug people.

8. Printer Setup.
No real experience.

7. Inconsistent User Interface.
OSX's UI has indeed become an inconsistent mess. I fully support this.

6. Laptop Screen Dimming.
Not sure, never really had these problems.

5. Managing Finder's Columns View, Problem No. 1.
I love Columns view, but it is SO broken currently. Why the hell do I have to re-size my columns after every restart?

4. Managing Finder's Columns View, Problem No. 2.
Again, in full agreement here.

3. Managing Finder's Columns View, Problem No. 3.
Same.

2. Finder's Hobbled Cut Command.
Yes - real Cut, please.

1. Dynamic Finder Refresh.
Under 10.4, I think all of my arguments with Finder refreshed are gone, to be honest.

As far as the Reader Peeves, they're silly.



If I can give myself a cheap plug here... as far as what I'd personally like to see, I entered (and won) a fake Leopard screenshot contest a while back. Hit this page, and then click the image for first place to check out some of my mock-ups.

SuperPac said:
Not an OSX beef necessarily, but I'd like it if iTunes could be used to manage all your media and not just Quicktime files and such. Mainly AVIs and WMVs...but I suppose that'll never happen. :\

My iTunes (on OSX) manages AVIs and WMVs. *wink*
 

mollipen

Member
SuperPac said:
Well ****. What am I doing wrong/not hacking/etc. :p

Well, it isn't the most convenient thing in the world, but it works.

First, make sure of course that you have all of the fun codec plug-ings for QuickTime: Flip4Mac, divx, 3ivx, Perian, all of that. Then, open up a movie in QuickTime Player, and go File -> Save As -> Save as a reference movie. Take that reference movie, drag it to iTunes, and when you click on it there, it'll play the movie even if it is a format that iTunes typically doesn't support.

Downsides are: on certain machines performance of videos played through iTunes isn't as good as when it is played through QuickTime Player (at least this was the case in iTunes 6, haven't messed around with video as much in iTunes 7), and you have to do this step for every video you want to add.

However, the upsides are that if you have iTunes keep things organized automatically, instead of all of your video files going into your iTunes music library where they don't belong, they can stay put, and only the small reference movie gets copied into the library. As well, if you add a reference movie to iTunes instead of the original video file, reference movies can often have far more things editable in iTunes (the screen grab for the video's icon, for example) which aren't always available for certain file types.
 

ShowDog

Member
Fixing item 6 would be nice. My screen dims whenever I don't scroll for awhile and it's incredibly annoying. The energy saver has a slider bar for time to put the display to sleep, but it says nothing about screen dimming. It's annoying as hell to have your screen dim whenever you're reading something that doesn't require scrolling every 30 seconds, like a long post on GAF. Also, watching youtube is hell when you have to tap the touchpad every 30 seconds. I can't believe there isn't an option to change this, and if there is it's hard to find.

Edit: Reference movies! Wait, so I can keep my library automatically organized with my music staying on my laptop drive, but have all my movies located on an external drive! That's my biggest problem with iTunes, how it doesn't differentiate between music and space hogging video files! I'll have to try this!
 

maharg

idspispopd
Hitokage said:
Item 8 strikes me as bizzare. Add an network printer in OSX and add the same printer in Windows. One is straightforward, the other is not. Hint: Having to "add port" is not straightforward.

Er.. what?
 

Mr Jared

Member
Some valid complaints that should be addressed someday, but for these I actually have apps to do it.

14. Widgets Can't Be Placed on the Desktop.
- Actually, this is an AppleScript. Google it.

10. Accessing Applications.
- Todos

7. Inconsistent User Interface.
- Uno

Not ideal, but it works for now.
 

goodcow

Member
maharg said:
Er.. what?

Maybe the fact that at the computer lab I work at, this is the difference in processes helping students with laptops who want to print over our wifi network:

- student with Mac laptop -
1. spotlight -> printer
2. click printer utility
3. add printer
4. let it automatically scan over airport for wifi printers
5. click add
DONE

- student with XP laptop -
1. control panel -> printers
2. add printer
3. add local printer
4. create port -> tcp/ip port
5. find the ip address of the ****ing network printer and manually type it in
6. give the printer a name
7. then scroll down a huge ****ing list of printer manufacturers and model numbers until i find the right printer
8. click add, wait for windows to install drivers, possibly get prompted for windows disc

Windows is shit.
 

fart

Savant
i agree with the spirit of this. mac os's backend these days is pretty awesome, but there are an inexcusably large number of ridiculous interface quirks (and just think back to how many of these things worked properly in mac os classic!). once upon a time, apple had arguably the best interface team on the planet. now? kind of a joke. i'd really like to see apple's philosophy return to placing function back above form w/rt UI.
 

maharg

idspispopd
Funny. I just added a printer and it wasn't so complicated. Mind you, it's an SMB printer share, but it's hardly the average case to be on a windows network and not be using an smb share. I would say your IT department is shit, personally.
 

goodcow

Member
maharg said:
Funny. I just added a printer and it wasn't so complicated. Mind you, it's an SMB printer share, but it's hardly the average case to be on a windows network and not be using an smb share. I would say your IT department is shit, personally.

Okay, and what was your process?

It's not that it's complicated in Windows, it's just *annoying* and overly stupid.

There's a clear difference between just going to a printer utility, clicking add, and everything over the WiFi network appearing to be added, with model numbers, tray settings, etc. automatically detected, rather than having to manually enter an IP address, manually select a printer manufacturer and model number, and possibly needing a driver disc.
 

maharg

idspispopd
I'll give you a hint, it didn't involve an IP address. If that's a reason for hating on windows, I'll hate on OSX for the confusion caused by using a PC keyboard with it.
 

fart

Savant
the add process for SMB shares is obviously different from the add process for an IP printer... i don't see what point either of you are making. i wouldn't say either is extraordinarily difficult, or lengthier than it could/should be.

uh, i haven't had any trouble using a PC keyboard with my mac either. doublecommand can do kernel level key remapping to swap the windows and alt keys. you do need to pay attention to keyboard layout (you have to have a windows or Fn key to serve as cmd), but it's not clear to me how that's an unecessary inconvenience. mac os traditionally uses a slightly different keyboard layout. er?
 

emomoonbase

I'm free 2night after my LARPing guild meets.
Here's a concern I had and a reason why I've never really bothered to get a Mac. Do you have to pay to upgrade the OS every year? I see they have like v10.3 or 10.2 or whatever and every time they introduce a new one it's like another $100? Do I have that right?

I'm used to windows where you just go buy an oem copy of xp for $80 and your good to go for 5 years until MS finally comes out with something new, and in the meantime any system updates are free and automatically downloaded.

By the time OS11 is out you'd have spent like $500 on OSX? I may have that all wrong but it just seems like it would be real expensive to own a mac and have to buy new updates every year or so.
 

fart

Savant
in defense of apple on that one, mac os has a much cleaner and better development process (this is afaik) than windows and updates tend to be more frequent and more incremental. that's a good thing.

also, apple has made an explicit decision not to implement copy protection (for the most part), and hence every update finer than a tenth of a point is pushed out to every client with no restrictions. this is a good thing as well.

finally, there's no stratification in OS distributions, so it always costs less than a hundred for every major OS update regardless of whether hardware was purchased with it (microsoft's pricing scale escalates rather quickly if you don't want to buy a new piece of hardware with a new OEM license everytime they release a paid update).

ps, OEM licenses must accompany hardware. microsoft's retail packages are not "$80"
 

Macam

Banned
emomoonbase said:
I'm used to windows where you just go buy an oem copy of xp for $80 and your good to go for 5 years until MS finally comes out with something new, and in the meantime any system updates are free and automatically downloaded.

Having been on both sides of the aisle, I vastly prefer Apple's OS strategy, but regardless, you don't have to upgrade.
 

disco

Member
I just hate how Iphoto saves every picture in a seperate file, doesnt ask you to name it so if you want to open a picture in photoshop you have to check every file... grrr
 

Mr Jared

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discocaine said:
I just hate how Iphoto saves every picture in a seperate file, doesnt ask you to name it so if you want to open a picture in photoshop you have to check every file... grrr

You can also just open iPhoto, drag and drop.
 

fart

Savant
discocaine said:
I just hate how Iphoto saves every picture in a seperate file, doesnt ask you to name it so if you want to open a picture in photoshop you have to check every file... grrr
iphoto is completely broken if you ask me.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
maharg said:
Er.. what?
Sorry, I meant IP printing, and windows doesn't actually do IPP from what I can tell, but rather some Port 9100 thing, which requires you "add local port" INSTEAD of "add network printer", which is horribly counterintuitive when you do it for the first time.

i agree with the spirit of this. mac os's backend these days is pretty awesome, but there are an inexcusably large number of ridiculous interface quirks (and just think back to how many of these things worked properly in mac os classic!). once upon a time, apple had arguably the best interface team on the planet. now? kind of a joke. i'd really like to see apple's philosophy return to placing function back above form w/rt UI.
Yeah, I have to agree that a lot of things just aren't quite how they should be.

I just hate how Iphoto saves every picture in a seperate file, doesnt ask you to name it so if you want to open a picture in photoshop you have to check every file... grrr
Usually it just keeps the filename it had when it was imported, in folder names that match the roll name.
 

mollipen

Member
discocaine said:
I just hate how Iphoto saves every picture in a seperate file, doesnt ask you to name it so if you want to open a picture in photoshop you have to check every file... grrr

Well, that's, uhm, how iPhoto is meant to work. It's like iTunes - it's a collection / organization tool, and you're supposed to work from it, instead of digging through the Finder.

When in iPhoto, there's a handy "Edit in External App" that you can set to Photoshop. You can easily give images names in iPhoto (why does it have to ask you to do so?), and even those that doesn't make the file name that name, if you use Spotlight to search (in the Finder, or in Spotlight directly), it'll find all of your iPhoto images with that name. So, if you really want to find the image in the Finder without having iPhoto open, just do a search for the name (or any tags or keywords it has).
 

Musashi Wins!

FLAWLESS VICTOLY!
I agree with most of these. As a newer Mac user though, I was happy to see that there are so many free or cheap easy to use programs to deal with many of them, ie. Quicksilver, Uno, etc.

btw, I wish you could pin any window at any time, so they don't move from the screen. I have an add on that works with most cocoa programs, but it should be useable for everything.
 
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