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Smallville 10/20/04
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"You've got me..." <manlove commences>
Geez, did anyone else think Clark and The Flash were about to make out at the end? I guess they're just really...comfortable with their feelings. They were even playing a love song in the background!
My homophobia aside, that was pretty good as far as Smallville goes, and it's nice the Flash owned Clark's ass in speed...
Geez, did anyone else think Clark and The Flash were about to make out at the end? I guess they're just really...comfortable with their feelings. They were even playing a love song in the background!
My homophobia aside, that was pretty good as far as Smallville goes, and it's nice the Flash owned Clark's ass in speed...
Cauliflower of Love
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Superhero laden episodes > supervillan laden episodes.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
muncheese said:
True, I wonder how long until they pull the Batman card. I bet after the next movie makes the license really big again, that's when you'll see young Bruce Wayne visiting Smallville for some lame reason.
Escape Goat
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I would have rather seen a show "Gotham" or some such based on Bruce Wayne. Its no fun if your hero can't be hurt and has an array of super powers at his disposal. It could have been much more cerebral than lame brain Clark Kent can manage.
Ah well. Such is life.
Ah well. Such is life.
Teh Hamburglar said:
Problem is that Bruce never went through highschool (it was all private ninja schooling for him). With Superman, you can put him in these tried and true (also known as 'same tired crap over and over') teenage relationship stories that fit the WB's demographic.
I agree it is a much cooler idea. See him slowly snap, and his travels around the world when he was younger. How he developed his skills and whatnot. Cool idea.
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Ripclawe said:
:lol
Escape Goat
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:lol
The Flash/Clark race at the end was probably the gayest moment in television in recent memory. :lol
This show is absolutely retarded.
The Flash/Clark race at the end was probably the gayest moment in television in recent memory. :lol
This show is absolutely retarded.
Luscious LeftFoot
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Soooo... is the Flash's speed the result of meteor rocks too?
Escape Goat
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nope
haterz suck..
the flash superman race at the end was awesome..
flash turning around and running backwards and still owning clark was awesome..
flash running on water was awesome.
clark and bart going to florida was hilarious.
bart hitting on chloe was priceless
great episode.. one of the best of the series.. bunch of homophobes in this thread.. it's called drama. go cuddle some women and watch some hetero porn to confirm that you're still straight.
the flash superman race at the end was awesome..
flash turning around and running backwards and still owning clark was awesome..
flash running on water was awesome.
clark and bart going to florida was hilarious.
bart hitting on chloe was priceless
great episode.. one of the best of the series.. bunch of homophobes in this thread.. it's called drama. go cuddle some women and watch some hetero porn to confirm that you're still straight.
jimmy olson never died, what's his power?karasu said:
seriously, no enduring hero can "die", because death means death of the license, and what fun is that.
when a hero dies, either he is so popular that he will be brought back anyway or he is so obscure that no one will care.
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karasu said:
When watching Smallville you KNOW Clark can't be killed by anything less than kryptonite bullet. Anything else CANNOT put Clark in jeopardy. So the tension is nullified and as has happened, the writers have used the abundance of kryptonite as a crutch.
Take Buffy the Vampire Slayer for example. She is human, albeit with some superman qualities. But she is mortal and her flesh can be pierced, she can break bones and she can and has died multiple times. Her mortality is part of her appeal I think. Its her humanity that allows us to feel the tension, Clark is near invulnerable so he can just blow through anything until the dreaded kryptonite shows up. Could Buffy be biten by that Vampire? Break her arm falling through a skylight? Drown? Yeah, she can do all those things and anything could happen. None of these things enter our minds because Superman cannot be harmed. There is no tension.
while literally you make a good point, being from the age of commercialism what you say is irrelevant.Teh Hamburglar said:
Yes, I know as a literary figure buffy (or batman) can die from many different threats but superman can only die from one (well, technically 3). However, in this age of commercialism I know that superman is essentially just as invulnerable as buffy, just as batman is as invulnerable as superman.
while I really understand what you are saying, I just don't think in this day and age any of us really wonder "Is Batman going to be able to pull through this one?"
Escape Goat
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Have you watched the show? The two times she died there have been consequences which changed her character. Theres depth to that show that Smallville has never come close to achieving. Thats my whole problem with this hsow. Its a Dawsons Creek meets Superman mythos.
Buffy? Bull. If someone were to watch a random sampling of say 5-10 episodes out of the entire buffy run and asked what is different about her, they wouldn't have a fucking clue.Teh Hamburglar said:
as for smallville, everything you are arguing about comes down to the superman mythos, not smallville. not able to die? That is pretty much superman. few flaws? superman again. etc.
the character DOES have depth, and IMHO the show brings it out to a decent degree. I think they are pretty liberal with their use of it. in one episode having clark put a little extra oomph into a 60 yd pass and in the next episode lecturing bart on using his powers for good, but the point is still there. a teen struggling with being able to use his abilities for good and being able to use them selfishly.
as for the whole dawson's creek shtcik.. can we end that already? that stigma has been dropped since the last quarter of last season when they finally (anfd thankfully) ended clark and lana.. the "romance" in the series the last quarter of last season and all of this season has been extremely minor. hell, there was more romance in your average episode of buffy than the past 10 shows or so of smallville...
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borghe said:
1) Well, this is a subjective area so theres not much to debate here.
2) Thats my point. Superman is not an very interesting character to tell through an hour long teen drama.
3) Having Clark use his powers is depth? Having every episode boil down to an after school special isn't exactly my idea of compelling storytelling to me.
4) If you look at Season6 and 7 of Buffy, I'll agree that the romance episodes were awful and plentiful. I make the Dawson's Creek analogy because Smallville is afraid of taking chances, of being edgy. They play it safe and we get the "Will Lana ever dump Whitney and get with Clark? Will Chloe continue to pine for Clark? Oh no!" I want to see some broken hearts dammit. One thing Joss Whedon admitted to with his shows is that there are no happy endings.
well, we technically know that there is no happy ending for smallville. we know that he doesn't get lana, know that he doesn't stay in smallville like he apparently wants to, know that he and lex don't remain friends, know that he and lois don't end up hating each other, etc. so in that respect, I disagree and say they HAVE added depth by basically giving us the current status quo while we know in the back of our minds that everything will basically end the exact opposite of where it is now. I also think the writers are in a VERY tough situation simply because they have to have this change occur slowly over an indefinite amount of seasons.
what I do think (and hope they are planning) is that they are setting milestones. so by the end of season 4 such and such will occur. and by the end of season 5 this other thing will occur. that will stop the "Oops, our ratings are dropping now in Season X.. let's wrap everything up in 24 episodes and finish the series." thing that so many series do (buffy included.. angel will be forgiven as they didn't know until after the fact).
I disagree about the risks though. And it isn't really risks but serious change. but I still disagree. bringing jor-el into it, which let's face it only the uber geeks will know about, IMHO was a risky proposition. going from two girls vying for clark's affection to basically doing away with both of them (romantically that is) is a risky proposition (considering the large female fan base). anything having to do with progressing the actual geek superman stuff in the story (krypton, jor-el, phantom zone, kara, etc) is a pretty risky proposition.
I realize it is all opinion based, it is just one of those instances where it is so weird for me to accept that I absolutely love this show (a comic geek for umm.. like 18 years now) while some comic fans don't like it..
alright going to bed.. still loved the show... out of curiousity, is there anything they could do for you to "save" the show.. I just wonder if there is anything they could do that wouldn't alienate their existing audience (non-comic geek audience that is.)
what I do think (and hope they are planning) is that they are setting milestones. so by the end of season 4 such and such will occur. and by the end of season 5 this other thing will occur. that will stop the "Oops, our ratings are dropping now in Season X.. let's wrap everything up in 24 episodes and finish the series." thing that so many series do (buffy included.. angel will be forgiven as they didn't know until after the fact).
I disagree about the risks though. And it isn't really risks but serious change. but I still disagree. bringing jor-el into it, which let's face it only the uber geeks will know about, IMHO was a risky proposition. going from two girls vying for clark's affection to basically doing away with both of them (romantically that is) is a risky proposition (considering the large female fan base). anything having to do with progressing the actual geek superman stuff in the story (krypton, jor-el, phantom zone, kara, etc) is a pretty risky proposition.
I realize it is all opinion based, it is just one of those instances where it is so weird for me to accept that I absolutely love this show (a comic geek for umm.. like 18 years now) while some comic fans don't like it..
alright going to bed.. still loved the show... out of curiousity, is there anything they could do for you to "save" the show.. I just wonder if there is anything they could do that wouldn't alienate their existing audience (non-comic geek audience that is.)
hmm.. action:LakeEarth said:
bart saves johnathan
clark races after bart
fence deal goes down
they race at the end
yup, little action.. let's look at romance this episode:
jason and lana kissing
eh, what the hell, I'll even give you johnathan and martha flirting
yup, tons of romance.
sorry, you lost me..
in general is what you say true? previous to like the last five or 6 episodes of last season I would say many episodes worked out like that (heavy on romance or teen angst). but as I keep saying, since they dumped lana and clark off last season, romance has been kept to a minimal for the rest of last season and all of this one so far.
borghe said:
I wasn't talking about this episode. This episode didn't really have a "true" villain. And there are tons of Buffy episodes that don't fit the mold I mentioned above too.
And that is a little action. I'm talking about fighting, as in what superheroes do, not playful running around. We got the 5 second Lex battle but that was it.
The tension in Smallville isn't really manifested in the external conflicts, as you know Clark is going to just inevitably own his weekly nemesis, the show's all about the character interactions and how they shape the type of (Super)man that we know he will become. The show fills a pretty big gap in the Superman mythos, while taking quite a few liberties with it. All Superman stories up until Smallville were sort of like the New Testament - we got baby Jesus, than BOOM, 30-something hippie roaming the streets and stirring up some whacky adventures. What shaped the man to become? I like how Lex and Clark grow increasingly distant and how Clark is realizing more and more that he has a responsibility to do great things with his abilities. Tom Wellington's a good actor who epitomizes Clark well. Lana's her usual dead weight, although they're trying (poorly) to force her into the story more now. I remain a fan of the show and sometimes it surprises me.
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