Prine said:same here
Tritroid said:Wario's right. It was a really bad time for MP2 to launch because November had so many heavy hitters on the market.
But again this all stems back to Nintendo's idiotic stance that games will sell without hype/marketing. If MP2 had actually gotten the type of advertising that it deserved, I have no doubt that the game would have done much better than it did. Which, judging by the way Halo 2 and HL2 overshadowed it, can't be very good.
Naked Shuriken said:I think we have to ask ourselves if we really needed a metroid prime sequel so quickly. A nextgen launch title would have been a better choice.
How are you justifying that it's a stupid point when you're backing it up by what you have witnessed personally? It varies you know. Just because you've seen more MP2 commercials doesn't mean that it had more air time than Halo 2, because if you'll notice there are other people in this thread who rarely saw one MP2 commercial (Myself included). It's like the people who say that DS/GC/PS2/Xbox or any portable/console bombed simply because in their area they saw over 50 on the shelves, it's moot.Nerevar said:I'd like to reiterate that I have seen at least twice as many commercials on TV for Metroid Prime 2 than I have for Halo 2. Plus, every Halo 2 commercial I saw was after the commercial release, whereas I have seen MP 2 commercials before and after. Now, admittedly, I don't watch G4techtv or MTV or any of those other channels that get heavy rotation, but I think it's a somewhat stupid point to make. The heaviest hype for Halo 2 came from the fanbase and the treatment the games got from magazines, which Nintendo has very little control over.
And by the way, the commercials for both the games sucked, although the one for Metroid Prime 2 sucked MUCH more (are you afraid of the dark? WTF is wrong with these people?)
In November, we expect sales to be dominated by Microsofts Halo 2 (Xbox), which we believe may set an all time record for most units sold in a single month (we estimate 3.6 million), as well as other top releases during the month including THQs WWE Smackdown vs Raw (PS2) and The Incredibles (PS2, Xbox, GC, GBA, PC), Nintendos Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (GC), Electronic Arts NFS Underground 2 (PS2, Xbox, GC, GBA, DS), and Ataris Dragon Ball Z Budokai 3 (PS2).
Tritroid said:How are you justifying that it's a stupid point when you're backing it up by what you have witnessed personally? It varies you know. Just because you've seen more MP2 commercials doesn't mean that it had more air time than Halo 2, because if you'll notice there are other people in this thread who rarely saw one MP2 commercial. (Myself included)
Also, it isn't just about the tv ads.
Ulairi said:Didn't PRime doo like 800,000 copies its first month and then drop? It did over a million.
Nerevar said:How would you suggest Nintendo "hype" their games more?
Link316 said:hype/word of mouth is what I believe sold the original MP, and that there is less of it for MP2 cause people who bought MP on hype/word of mouth ended up not liking it, once bitten, twice shy
Chi-Town said:There are around 5 million more Gamecubes in the US than there were back in November 2002. If Metroid Prime 2 does worse numbers than Metroid Prime did, I think people will say it's a bomb.
Link316 said:they should've given the MP2 demo disc away for free instead of trying to cash in on it by bundling it or making people buy a bunch of GC & GBA games to get it
acklame said:what's with the low prediction?
MP 1 did like 700k in its first month.
MP2 doesn't have that much competition on gamecube in november either.
I'd say 600k.
Nerevar said:My point is that the one area that Nintendo had direct control over, they didn't drop the ball. How would you suggest Nintendo "hype" their games more? I'm just curious, because the majority of "hype" surrounding the other big November releases (Halo 2, Half-Life 2) were primarily driven by the gaming community, not by Valve or Bungie (or MS).
You pretty much just covered everything I was about to say...kudos.Society said:Some halo 2 fans visiting various forums for updates? The fans set up a hidden Bungie cam? The fans printed and produced the halo 2 merchandise? The fans said :Halo 2 is a lot like Halo 1, only it's Halo 1 on fire, going 130 miles per hour through a hospital zone, being chased by helicopters and ninjas ... And, the ninjas are all on fire, too.? The fans arranged tv spots? The fans arranged a celeberity-centric Halo 2 party? The fans arranged it so Linkin Park (or whoever it was) can play Halo 2 before the fans?
In most cases, there would be little hype if it were not driven by the producing company. To say Bungie/MS has no major part in driving the hype is ludicrous.
Naked Shuriken said:I think we have to ask ourselves if we really needed a metroid prime sequel so quickly. A nextgen launch title would have been a better choice.
Dave Long said:Make up your minds people. Last gen it was "Nintendo needs to put out sequels to these games quicker! THEY NEED MORE GAMES! Milk those great franchises! We want more!"
Now it's "I think we have to ask ourselves if we really needed a Metroid Prime sequel so quickly."
Nintendo cannot win in the eyes of this board no matter what they do. The sooner the N fans here realize that and quit feeding the trolling, the better.
hmmAniHawk said:MP sold 360k its first month.
Dave Long said:Now it's "I think we have to ask ourselves if we really needed a Metroid Prime sequel so quickly."
Nintendo cannot win in the eyes of this board no matter what they do. The sooner the N fans here realize that and quit feeding the trolling, the better.
monkeyrun said:but I know xbox never had a bomb except Blinx.
AniHawk said:I think Echoes will do 100,000 in Japan (despite the sell-through being much less), 250,000 in Europe, and maybe around 750,000 in the US. About 200k for the November NPD and December NPD each. Since Nintendo counts bundles (not that I do), there will probably be about 600,000 MPEs sold (shipped) to the US by the end of the year.
Yeah that's pretty much what it boils down to. A lot of people are fighting the same battles day in and day out because certain people here are only in it for the anti-Nintendoism. (And most of them are bitter Segabots of years gone by now proclaimed Xbots trying to enact revenge.)Dave Long said:Make up your minds people. Last gen it was "Nintendo needs to put out sequels to these games quicker! THEY NEED MORE GAMES! Milk those great franchises! We want more!"
Now it's "I think we have to ask ourselves if we really needed a Metroid Prime sequel so quickly."
Nintendo cannot win in the eyes of this board no matter what they do. The sooner the N fans here realize that and quit feeding the trolling, the better.
Society said:Some halo 2 fans visiting various forums for updates?
Ok, well, I guess Nintendo didn't do that. But then again, I had no idea Bungie did. And I bet the majority of the people who waited in line for it on day 1 didn't know either.Society said:The fans set up a hidden Bungie cam?
Gee, I guess Halo was the only game this gen that had merchandise. Oh wait ...Society said:The fans printed and produced the halo 2 merchandise?
Society said:The fans said :Halo 2 is a lot like Halo 1, only it's Halo 1 on fire, going 130 miles per hour through a hospital zone, being chased by helicopters and ninjas ... And, the ninjas are all on fire, too.?
Here's something I will call out: I haven't seen any games that have come out in the last few months, but the weapon effects [in Prime 2]... I can't recall a game that has such spectacular effects. You'll want to sit there and shoot a wall just to see these effects, they are that cool.
etc etc. Of COURSE the developer is going to say those things.Our engineers, our designers, our artists are in no way satisfied with the normal approach.
Didn't we already discuss this? Nintendo did make commercials. And when MTV or whatever runs their "making of .." for Halo 2, it's not doing it because MS asked them to. It's doing it because it knows that there's a market for people to watch it. They know that they're going to get advertisers to pay for commercial spots, and get viewers to watch. So, in a sense, yes, the fans are the driving force behind things like that.Society said:The fans arranged tv spots?
a) Nintendo had a "celebrity-centric" party.Society said:The fans arranged a celeberity-centric Halo 2 party?
Once again, news to me. And I bet it was news to the majority of people in line.Society said:The fans arranged it so Linkin Park (or whoever it was) can play Halo 2 before the fans?
Society said:In most cases, there would be little hype if it were not driven by the producing company. To say Bungie/MS has no major part in driving the hype is ludicrous.
SonicMegaDrive said:What do Sega fans need to get revenge on Nintendo for? Nintendo didn't drive them out of the console market.
drohne said:haters vindicated.![]()
given the monstrous overrating of the original, i'm sure there was a large contingent of gamers who bought it and disliked it. of course it wasn't going to generate any word of mouth enthusiasm.
monkeyrun said:well .. what's a bomb on the GC ...... anything could be a bomb there's no one definition for it ...... :lol
but I know xbox never had a bomb except Blinx.
I'm curious, how come everything dealing with Metroid Prime has to be compared with Halo? I mean, it's like Nintendo fans have this huge inferiority complex that they just can't get over. And now ...
Were you around during the Nintendo vs. Sega days?SonicMegaDrive said:What do Sega fans need to get revenge on Nintendo for? Nintendo didn't drive them out of the console market.
Mashing said:That's not an accurate comparison becuase the other consoles had two of their biggest relases this gen come out at roughly the same time as well as more competition over all. Halo 2 and GTA:SA are going to cannabalize A LOT of good titles... MGS3 included I'm afraid.
jedimike said:MP also released at the same time as GTA and Splinter Cell and still managed to do quite well. Halo2 and GTA:SA are no excuse for poor MP2 performance. It is the biggest game on GC this Holiday Season.
If Echoes performes poorly (which I suspect it will), it has more to do with the current state of the GC. It certainly doesn't have the mindshare that it did in Nov '02.
Ok. Well all I was trying to say is that the same anti-Nintendo attitude from the Sega boys still thrives, just through another console brand.SonicMegaDrive said:Yes, I was. I was one the fortunate ones who loved both systems equally.