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So last night I saw the HBO First Look: A Sharks Tale..(rant)..

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..and I'm thoroughly convinced that this may be my most hated film of all time. Let me count the ways:


1. And this seems almost like a minor point now, but it was my immediate complaint upon first seeing the previews. Umm..FINDING NEMO, anyone? You're telling me the studio was completely unaware that Disney/Pixar were planning a G-rated blockbuster CGI movie involving talking aquatic life? Ever think that may put your film at a conceptual disadvantage from the audience standpoint? Or was this a deliberate gravy-train maneuver? Its like Tarzan coming out a year and a half after The Jungle Book. WTF

2. Its almost plainspokenly stereotypical. For those that don't know, the premise of the film is that Jack Black plays a shark who befriends a fish that he can't bring himself to eat (sound at all like any of the characters from Finding Nemo?) because he's vegetarian (the preview gave a very 'gay-outcast' vibe to Blacks character). The fish (Will Smith) upon remaining uneaten, declares himself the "Shark killer" as a front for Black. The catch is that sharks are presented as the, -you guessed it- Italian mafia!! So of course we get treated to boatloads of hammed up mafiso wop-isms..but the stereotyping doesn't stop there!!

As the producers of the movie explained, the film is essentially split into 2 settings, the dark, drab realm of the Shark mafia, and the overtly shiny in-yo-face "Hip Hop world"!! It's packed with 'flava' and even features....featu...*ahem*...FEATURES RASTAFARIAN JELLYFISH voiced by none other than Ziggy Marley and "I'm still employed" Doug E. Doug. The mind FUCKING BOGGLES.

What bothers me as much as anything is the FUCKING actors who volunteer for these roles. We've got Michael Imperioli (Christophuh..WHY??), Peter Falk, and Robert DeNiro, none of whom have ever been known for portraying mobsters before *cough* sailing headlong into Clicheville, and the Jellyfish seem to have no problem embracing stereotypical views of themselves. And why not? They're probably both too HIGH ALL THE TIME to notice, right Mr Bumbaclot Rastaman?? Marty Scorcese even 'gets crunk' with the lingo while unknowingly exchanging hip-hop slanguage with Will Smith's character! An old white guy trying to be hip!! Who'da thunk of that one!!

I know its a childrens film and I'd expect some things to be dumbed down for a mass audience anyway, but the sheer bombardment of the cliches and stereotypes delivered by this movie was just staggering. And you'd like to think that the people that we'd least likely want to pollute with stereotypes would be the impressionable minds of young children. But instead we get the cultural-diversity cops handing us patronizing enlightenment. This is why I hate political correctness. All it does is shift the prejudice to a less perceptable (or perhaps 'more acceptable') level...but anyway.

3. The soundtrack seemingly represents everthing I hate about modern music today. Its chock full of artists I despise (The talentless Missy Eliot!! The desperate-to-be-down Justin Timberlake!!), doing a shitload of, -you guessed it again- FUCKING MUSICAL RETREADS!! X-tina and Missy take on destroying "Car Wash", and Mary J Blige and the Fresh Prince give "Got To Be Real" a modern perspective it never deserved. Then Ziggy Marley teams up with dimness-perpetuator Sean Paul to further soil his fathers memory with a remake of "Three Little Birds". Keep covering dads tunes Ziggy, and casket gymnastics will be an Olympic sport by 2008!! It's like, we hear these tunes enough thanks to sampling and the revivalist hipster retro culture that populates our trendy period flicks and "baby boomer demographic appeal" car commercials..did they really need a 5TH RADIO COMEBACK?!?!

In addition to the retreads we've got fresh new tracks from champion of ignorance Ludacris and the youngest pop-slut on record, JoJo. My heart flutters with anticipation for the soundtrack. If you played it in a church Jesus would probably leap from his crucifix before using it as a sledgehammer to pulverize the disc to shards.


I'm probably not overreacting to this at all, but I just couldn't help but be appalled at this seemingly benign childrens film being so chock full of subliminal corruption and stereotype pandering. It would appear to easily be the most safe, derivative, sugarcoated pop culture piece of corporate dogshit filmmaking since the dawn of cinema. If movies are food for the brain then you can call Dreamworks "Moron Catering", because this film hits "lowest common denominator" on every cylinder. Which of course means they may as well be printing money. Can't wait till it scores record ticket sales come fall!!

Oh did I mention that the movie even has funny UNDERWATER FLATULENCE! Tee hee!! If I wind up going Trenchcoat Mafia in the Dreamworks studios, GAF forgive me.
 

fennec fox

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Repeat to yourself "It's just a film, I should really just relax"
 

refreshZ

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So what? I didn't hear anyone complaining when A Bug's Life came out a billisecond after Ants.... oh wait, I did... PLAAAAAAAAAAAAGARISM!!!!!!!!!!
 

Acrylamid

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If IMDb isn't completely wrong, Shark Tale is written by the same two guys who wrote Freddy Vs. Jason ... I haven't seen that movie, what's the GAF opinion about it?
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I don't know how this happens. A Bug's Life came out around the same time as Antz, and now this...I guess they just move on to certain parts of the animal kingdom at certain times. I'm sure Pixar and Dreamworks both have some project about birds planned for the future.
 

FoneBone

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There's no way I'm seeing this. What's weird is that Disney now seems to be ripping off Dreamworks:
http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/tickermaster/listing.cfm?TMID=1544
A couple of years ago, buzz started developing around a CGI film from DreamWorks with a unique look and style. That film was called Madagascar, and it tells the story of four animal friends who are the primary attraction at the zoo in Central Park. When one of the four disappears one day, the other three escape to try to help him. They're all rounded up and put on a ship set for Africa, which wrecks off the island of Madagascar, where the group is stranded. They're forced to learn how to live like real animals of their species would.

Now there's a film quietly set for release in 2006 by the Walt Disney Animation division. Since the company has essentially scuttled all traditional animation, it's to be a CGI-animated tale from Steve "Spaz" Williams, who is previously best known for his work on a series of hamster commercials for Blockbuster Video. The movie is called "The Wild."

The Wild's plot centers around - wait for it - a teenage lion from the New York Zoo who is accidentally shipped to Africa and freed. His friends from the zoo, including an older, more mature lion, a giraffe, an anaconda and a squirrel, must put aside their differences and work together to help bring him back.

Hmm.

Okay, Madagascar is about a lion, a giraffe, a zebra and a hippo. And the voice actors include Ben Stiller, David Schwimmer, Jada Pinkett Smith and Chris Rock.

The Wild has no zebra or hippo friend. It does have a second lion, an anaconda and a squirrel. Voice talent is provided by slightly lower-tier stars than the ones in Madagascar. So far, Kiefer Sutherland, Eddie Izzard and Joseph Siravo (The Sopranos) are onboard.

Clearly these two projects are entirely different.

Or maybe Charles Dickens is snickering at the coincidence. (Kim Hollis/BOP)
 

sc0la

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Eddie Izzard = Win


I hope he plays the squirrel.

"Did I leave the gas on? No, I'm a fucking squirrel!"
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
4. Can we all agree that Shark's Tale's art design is godawful? A fish that moves upright and has a head that looks like Will Smith? Get the fuck out. A fish with giant lips? OMG, haha, that's Angelina Jolie! Get the fuck out. This movie just looks artistically disgusting. It's ugly, period.

Another bit, every time I see an ad or trailer with that restaurant scene, I can't help but think that the whole 'weird creatures being human' thing has been before. Do we all remember Monsters Inc?

Ned Flanders said:
It would appear to easily be the most safe, derivative, sugarcoated pop culture piece of corporate dogshit filmmaking since the dawn of cinema. If movies are food for the brain then you can call Dreamworks "Moron Catering", because this film hits "lowest common denominator" on every cylinder.

Ever since Shrek that's what Dreamworks Animation is all about (excluding Spirit). Shrek, Shrek 2, Shark's Tale, etc. It's so engrossed in pop culture that the 'jokes' fail to resonate even a couple years after release. This movie looks absolutely atrocious, and I hope upon hope that The Incredibles decimates it.

Thanks be to Pixar, for continuing to deliver fun, quality animated features that can be enjoyed by intelligent people of all ages.
 

FoneBone

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Unfortunately, while I'm sure the Incredibles will be a huge success, I'm 95% certain that it won't make as much as Shrek 2, which is a travesty. And I suspect that Shark Tale will open quite well.

What the Shark Tale character designs remind me of:
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Mama Smurf

My penis is still intact.
I did prefer Antz to A Bug's Life. That was a poor film though, extremely disappointing given Pixar's track record, something I can't say about Nemo.
 
Pssst... I think they make these movies for kids! Kids will find the humor fresh and relevant, though they may not understand all of the jokes. Whereas adults may be too jaded to just sit and enjoy it for what it is. I think it's important to remember who the target market is.
 

Memles

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Mama Smurf said:
I did prefer Antz to A Bug's Life. That was a poor film though, extremely disappointing given Pixar's track record, something I can't say about Nemo.

Antz was too fucking dirty...Bug's Life is a beautiful film.

On the topic...it will relatively bomb. No buzz around the movie.

Incredible has Buzz, a better opening slot, and No Competition since Alexander moved...plus it will have Thanksgiving weekend a meer few weeks later.
 

Mama Smurf

My penis is still intact.
Memles said:
Antz was too fucking dirty...Bug's Life is a beautiful film.

I can only assume you're talking about the way the film looks, on which case I don't care.

Antz was a bit more gritty, seemed to have more of an edge to it, I liked that. A Bug's Life was formulaic and boring with characters I didn't care for, something all Pixar movies threaten (well, maybe not the characters thing) but somehow manage to overwhelm me with their charm. Not A Bug's Life though.

I look forward to The Incredibles, it doesn't strike me as a normal Pixar movie at all.
 

FoneBone

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I still haven't seen Antz. A Bug's Life is, without a doubt, Pixar's weakest -- the main characters just aren't interesting.
 

belgurdo

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Memles said:
Antz was too fucking dirty...Bug's Life is a beautiful film.


Well, one would expect a cartoon about creatures that live underground to be a bit dirty...

And I kind of liked Antz more than ABL myself, probably because they did the whole "daily life of animals" thing better than Pixar did by slapping their generic "rescue me" epic spiel on top of it.
 
Pssst... I think they make these movies for kids!

Weeding is fun...-damental!!

I know its a childrens film and I'd expect some things to be dumbed down for a mass audience anyway, but the sheer bombardment of the cliches and stereotypes delivered by this movie was just staggering. And you'd like to think that the people that we'd least likely want to pollute with stereotypes would be the impressionable minds of young children. But instead we get the cultural-diversity cops handing us patronizing enlightenment.
 

Jak140

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Pixar :: Dreamworks
Toy Story :: Toy Soldiers
A Bugs Life :: Ants
Monster's Inc :: Shrek
Finding Nemo :: Shark's Tale

Anyone else see the pattern?
 
A Bugs Life is a far superior film than Antz. Minute for minute there is far more intelligence and cleverness in ABL. Pixar, with Lasseter, knows not to waste a moment. Everything feeds the plot and the theme to keep the movie entertaining and moving forward.

Pixar also never takes the low road which is a speciality of PDI.

Sharks Tale looks ridiculous. I can't see anything anything clever with the visual style of the movie at all. What the hell do they have wine glasses for underwater and why does everything look like it is built by humans? The film may end up being enjoyable but right now it just comes across feeling really wrong to me.
 
A bug's life is the only Pixar film that I remember practically NOTHING about after seeing it. There was something about grasshoppers I think. It is sooooooo far below all the other Pixar films. I would rank them
Toy Story 2>>Finding Nemo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Monster's Inc>Toy Story>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A Bug's Life

I actually think Pixar's track record isn't that great. The characters are very bland and forgettable for my tastes in most of their movies. Most of their movies involve a "rescue" (actually, don't all of them involve this in some way?) and 4 out of the 5 are "buddy" movies. The Incredibles hopefully breaks from both of these conventions. It looks like it could be in the upper tier of what Pixar has done.

Note: I think A Shark's Tale looks far worse than anything Pixar has done. I'm just saying that 3 of the five Pixar movies have left me with a decidedly MEH feeling.
 

Substance

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A Shark's Tale hasn't opened in the United States yet? Strange. It is playing across screens in Australia as I write. Anyway, watching the Shark Tale preview just makes me appreciate Finding Nemo even more. I agree with everything Ned Flanders said. Shark Tale has opened to '6/10' type reviews.
Oh and by the way here is a little treat for the true CG film to see this year.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/disney/the_incredibles/ New Trailer.
Finding Nemo was such a great film I have great expectations for this one.
 

Memles

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I now own all Pixar films on DVD...to rank them would be tough but...

Toy Story 2>Finding Nemo>Toy Story>Monsters Inc.>A Bug's Life.

But damnit, I'll defend A Bug's Life for a long time. It is not as memorable as the other's, but I think that it is more natural. Antz was just...not that great to me. I didn't like that they actually involved humans. I actually enjoyed the fact that A Bug's Life took a real perspective of what a colony would be like, untouched by the human world.

And, I say relative bomb for Shark Tale. I'm talking 25-35 Million, here. Lowest CGI debut in a long time, outside of stuff like Veggietales. It's an off weekend, there's no hype behind the film in general, and when I think "Kids Movie" I don't think beginning of October.
 

way more

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Fresh Prince said:
Antz > A Bug's Life
And I think I'm the only person in the world who didn't like Finding Nemo.

I fiercely concur (grammar?). Finding Nemo was fine but it's kind of hard for me to give a shit about the plot or characters in a kids movie.
 

robochimp

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Antz and A Bugs Life coming out at the same time wasnt a coinsidence. I'm pretty sure Dreamworks had found out the concept for A Bugs life and "rushed" Antz along to try and steal Pixar's thunder
 

Memles

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robochimp said:
Antz and A Bugs Life coming out at the same time wasnt a coinsidence. I'm pretty sure Dreamworks had found out the concept for A Bugs life and "rushed" Antz along to try and steal Pixar's thunder

Dreamworks - The FOX of Animation
 

way more

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robochimp said:
Antz and A Bugs Life coming out at the same time wasnt a coinsidence. I'm pretty sure Dreamworks had found out the concept for A Bugs life and "rushed" Antz along to try and steal Pixar's thunder


Like Wyatt Earp and Tombstone or Volcano and Dante's Peak. This happens all the time, you guys could probably come up with more.
 
mac said:
I fiercely concur (grammar?). Finding Nemo was fine but it's kind of hard for me to give a shit about the plot or characters in a kids movie.
For me it was like watching several Disney/Pixar movies mishmashed together but now underwater!!!!
 
mac said:
Like Wyatt Earp and Tombstone or Volcano and Dante's Peak. This happens all the time, you guys could probably come up with more.

Or 1989...the year of undersea movies. I think there were 4 that year. The Abyss, Leviathan, Deep Star Six, and Lords of the Deep.

Then there was Armageddon and Deep Impact. Oh yeah, who can forget the trio of Mars movies?
 

DJ_Tet

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Or 1990, year of the Mafia movies. There was Goodfellas, Godfather III, and I think another one I can never remember all came out that fall.
 

Grizzlyjin

Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
FortNinety said:
I just wanted to say that Toy Story 2 is so fucking good it's scary.

That cowgirl song near the end made me cry...that rarely happens.
 

Shinobi

Member
Jak140 said:
Pixar :: Dreamworks
Toy Story :: Toy Soldiers
A Bugs Life :: Ants
Monster's Inc :: Shrek
Finding Nemo :: Shark's Tale

Anyone else see the pattern?

Small Soldiers man...and that was live action mixed with models and CG.

Still, your point has merit...not that it's a new one. The question is, who's been ripping off who. This reminds me of Sega and Namco in the mid 90's, when they were constantly releasing the same type of game within months of each other.

Oh yeah, can't forget all the war movies that started coming out in 2001...(well, earlier I guess...Saving Private Ryan came out in 98, The Patriot in 2000). It's just the way things go in Hollywood, and the entertainment business in general (do I even need to talk about the similiar pop music acts?).
 

Memles

Member
shuri said:
holy shit, i thought that "A sharks stale" was a spinoff of Finding Nemo

I was in line for Spider-Man 2 and someone saw the poster and said "I think that's the shark from Finding Nemo".

I was really tempted to say something, but I think I would have been a little bit too angered.
 

human5892

Queen of Denmark
Fresh Prince said:
And I think I'm the only person in the world who didn't like Finding Nemo.
I didn't like it, either. Just the shrill screaming and yelling of Ellen Degeneres every five seconds accounted for strikes one through three.
 

FoneBone

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Well, based on Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic, this doesn't appear to be faring too well with critics so far. Thank God.
 
I went to an advance screening last night. I wasn't expecting much, but I enjoyed it for the most part and walked away with a few really good laughs. It was pokey almost all the way through; I thought there should have been more conflict and confrontation between Oscar (and friends) and the sharks. And, well, Will Smith has just as difficult of a time carrying the lead as an animated fish as he does in his action flicks.

There are a handful of dicey jokes in the movie that I'm surprised made the cut (being a childrens' film and all). They were a little more blatant than Disney's typically disguised grown-up jokes. They caught me off guard, which made the all the more humorous.

The voice acting is not nearly on par with Pixar's latest or Shrek. Zellweger and Jolie just don't have strong enough voices, let alone very recognizable ones. Granted, Deniro was great. His character was well animated too. DW should be commended on capturing and personyfying some of the characters to a 'T', down to the head tilts and mouth angles.

It's unfortunate the visuals are likely to be criticized harshly against Nemo's. Shark Tale aims to be a 3-D cartoon and succeeds. In turn, the characters and environment don't look or move as lifelike as Nemo. Admittedly, after seeing this movie, I don't think DW (or at least this particular team) has as much graphic talent as Pixar. I'm not qualified to make technical comparisons though.

Bottom line: Oscar's financial adviser is worth the price of admission.
 

Chipopo

Banned
FreakyFink said:
Bottom line: Oscar's financial adviser is worth the price of admission.

If the movie follows the patterns apparent in the trailer, it's probably some hilarious big-nosed Jew-Fish.
 

cybamerc

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Can't be bothered reading all that but I just want to say that Antz is a much better movie than A Bug's Life.
 
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