sasimirobot
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This is the new "cool" thing to hate on now right?
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So "Touch Screen" is like the new "connectivity" right?
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evilromero
Member
Generally people just hate anything Nintendo does that isn't in line with their expectations.
krypt0nian
Banned
Yes because this deserved a thread.... =|
sasimirobot
Junior Member
point me to the redundant thread and lock it mods. I am only saying that online is a "fart in the wind" compared to the impact that touch-screen games will be in this coming handheld battle.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Here are the good ideas for connectivity:
Zelda: Four Swords
Pac-Man Vs.
Here are the quite good ideas:
Final Fantasy: CC
And that's about it. Not only was it hard (or expensive) to get the equipment together to do it, they then could hardly think of any good ideas and all of the decent ones were mulitplayer.
The touchscreen on the other hand doesn't require extras, can be used well for both single player and multiplayer purposes, and we've already seen multiple good ideas.
Zelda: Four Swords
Pac-Man Vs.
Here are the quite good ideas:
Final Fantasy: CC
And that's about it. Not only was it hard (or expensive) to get the equipment together to do it, they then could hardly think of any good ideas and all of the decent ones were mulitplayer.
The touchscreen on the other hand doesn't require extras, can be used well for both single player and multiplayer purposes, and we've already seen multiple good ideas.
deadhorse32
Bad Art
Connectivity was pretty stupid and useless.
Touch Screen is actually pretty cool.
Touch Screen is actually pretty cool.
Naw, connectivity wasn't that great. Some games like Zelda actually used it, while games like FF:CC had no need for it except money from fundQ.
The DS touchscreen, however, is already challenging developers to put some neat mechanics into thier games. And not just some games, like connectivity, but almost, if not every DS game will have some kind of touchscreen functionality.
The DS touchscreen, however, is already challenging developers to put some neat mechanics into thier games. And not just some games, like connectivity, but almost, if not every DS game will have some kind of touchscreen functionality.
sasimirobot
Junior Member
Mama Smurf said:
Online is so cheap and easy. Of course everyone in the world has reliable ADSL...
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
sasimirobot said:
...well you quoted me, so you must be replying to something in my post.
No, no I just can't see it. Why are you talking about online again?
Scalemail Ted
Member
I'm really interested in the multiplayer aspects Nintendo brings with the DS. The fact that its both wireless and capable of Multing with only one cartridge makes it incredibly versatile. I think it may be one of the best designs for multiplayer games. Previous methods either required for you to split the tv screen (into halfs or quarters) or to play over a wired network. But with this you get the best of both worlds, a dedicated screen all to yourself plus the ability to multi with the people (friends) around you..and all capable with just one cart.
sasimirobot
Junior Member
Scalemail Ted said:
shhhhhh. remember playing tekken 3.5 in 3-D (for 2 hours) will change the world!
sasimirobot said:
I think you're forgetting that broadband has numerous applications outside of purely playing video games.
And to make this post relevant, I thought the touch-screen was retarded until it was pointed out in another thread that it would be great for porting a lot of PC genres to consoles that don't play well on traditional consoles (like RTS and adventure games). I think it's not going to drastically change how we play standard games (like platformers) but it could allow for some real innovative designs. So in other words, touch screen >>>> connectivity.
SolidSnakex
Member
mj1108 said:
Give some examples of things people have bashed about Nintendo and then praised when Sony has done it. Alot of people like to say this but never give any examples of it actually happening.
While the concept makes for some cool-sounding ideas, I worry that the actual use of touch screen will suffer from problems with precision. I get frustrated just thinking about having to deal with an interface that is "innovative" but ultimately not as practical as standard controls. I hope DS developers prove me wrong.
Drinky Crow
Banned
Exactly how does a touch screen make gaming any more fun than that with a joypad/stick/analog nub?
Some of us have been using "touch screens" for well-nigh five years now.
Some of us have been using "touch screens" for well-nigh five years now.
Drinky Crow
Banned
And exactly how many games has the use of a mouse sold you? Never you mind that a mouse is a far more precise instrument for gaming interfaces than a touch screen.
Scalemail Ted
Member
Drinky Crow said:
Only because the *BEST* game EVER created is 'MegaTouch Maxx'; found at your local pub. Its obvious Nintendo just wanted to cash in on their success ...but there's no touching 'MegaTouch Maxx'. Don't hate.
Drinky Crow
Banned
I have a Tablet PC at work and a Toshiba i740 PPC. I've developed mobile applications for the PPC. I'm quite certain I know quite a bit more about a touch screen than any DS fanboy in this thread.
cart roms aren't really proprietary media. the first truly proprietary media was DC followed by GCN. Both were criticized for not being able to handle DVDs.Miburou said:
[quoteI don't see "Nintendo in that sentence".[/quote]
I didn't realize we were talking about Nintendo specifically. I believe the exact question was what other things have been done that were criticized that were then done by sony and praised.
Previously when consoles would become cheaper and leave out the pack in game it was criticized. SNES, etc. Heck, even the Saturn at $400 had a pack in game. But when Sony did it, they were PRAISED for keeping there system under $300.
Scalemail Ted
Member
Hournda said:
You must use your nose.
Drinky Crow
Banned
A mouse cursor operates entirely in a 2D plane. A finger/stylus has a 3D space to confuse the retina, as well as the fact that the pointing device obscures the point of contact. Throw in the pressure sensitivity of the screen, and you have a recipe for extremely reduced accuracy.
Ask someone to click a four-pixel box with a mouse, and they'll be able to do it with 90%+ accuracy. With a stylus? Try 30%. I've seen this situation in countless focus groups.
You can try again, and I'll punk you again.
Ask someone to click a four-pixel box with a mouse, and they'll be able to do it with 90%+ accuracy. With a stylus? Try 30%. I've seen this situation in countless focus groups.
You can try again, and I'll punk you again.
Drinky Crow said:
unless of course you are talking about moving without cursor travel. I guarantee I can click a location on my 17" tablet before you could move a mouse there.
but tell you what, the first game that comes along that requires me to navigate around a 4 pixel box I'll call you winner. until then I'll just use common sense and say that in the average game (ie PPC style game or such) a stylus will be just as accurate as a mouse would be FOR THAT GAME.
oh, I see you moved away from the d-pad/analog control topic. smart move.
The GC was criticized for having small-capacity media compared to the competition, and for lacking DVD playback. This isn't really applicable in the PSP's case, since no handhelds play DVD or have similar sized (let alone bigger) media.
Anyway, I'm sure some Sony fanboys have criticized Nintendo, Sega or MS for something and then later praised Sony for doing the same thing, but it's not as wide spread (i.e. almost anyone who isn't a Nintendo fan) as some of the posts here would indicate.
Anyway, I'm sure some Sony fanboys have criticized Nintendo, Sega or MS for something and then later praised Sony for doing the same thing, but it's not as wide spread (i.e. almost anyone who isn't a Nintendo fan) as some of the posts here would indicate.
Scalemail Ted
Member
In all seriousness though Drinky...
It shouldn't be viewed as controller vs. touchpad.
The advantage of a touchpad, as I see it, is that it allows for customizable controls to be displayed for any game made on the DS, in addition to the pre-set button layout already present on the unit. This allows for much more freedom on the developers part when it comes to designing how they want their game to control.
This in and of itself isn't necessarily "revolutionary" but it does allow for very different forms of play on the same unit...which certainly isn't a bad thing.
As far as trying to use the touchpad and the buttons at the same time....The only realistic way I would thik you could do it effectively is with a 'thumb stylus'
It shouldn't be viewed as controller vs. touchpad.
The advantage of a touchpad, as I see it, is that it allows for customizable controls to be displayed for any game made on the DS, in addition to the pre-set button layout already present on the unit. This allows for much more freedom on the developers part when it comes to designing how they want their game to control.
This in and of itself isn't necessarily "revolutionary" but it does allow for very different forms of play on the same unit...which certainly isn't a bad thing.
As far as trying to use the touchpad and the buttons at the same time....The only realistic way I would thik you could do it effectively is with a 'thumb stylus'