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So where's all the DS Utility Software?

I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and it just seems odd that the potential is so great, yet there's been very little outside of a few dictionaries in Japan, and absolutely zilch outside of that region.

There is a lot of danger with releasing potentially niche functionality titles, given development and distribution costs, I understand that. But at the same time, it'd be an appealing market for those wanting Palm-style applications without buying a different unit.

Running down the line of just a few potentials...

Scientific Calculator: I can't believe the TI series still cost so much, given what they offer. I realize that the DS probably has a much less precise processor chip than the specialized TI's, but I bet it has one precise enough for the needs of most students. Touch screen input is as simple as a normal calculator, but it can adapt the menus and options to the current process, and display the results with a lot more clarity and vibrancy than the TI screens could ever hope for. The touch screen could also be used to sketch rough curves or polygons, and get a general idea of the equations necessary to create them. The trickiest thing would be to get something like this accepted for classroom use, which would mean sneaking in no playable distractions or anything like that. Getting it approved by a teacher's association (and possibly for the SATs?) would give it the nod it needs, and at $30, versus paying $80-120 for a decent TI calculator, that student or the parent might be quite inclined to opt for the DS solution.

Foreign Dictionary: Don't worry, I'm not having fantasies of mic input or physically recorded pronunciations (but automated pronunciations would be nice), but this just seems like a great fit. (As it is, I think there's been at least two of these based on J->E in Japan.) Hunting and pecking letters on the DS's touch screen would go quickly, much faster than any D-Pad or analog stick input, and because the keyboard is virtual, it'd easily adapt to the language you're currently working with. Not only that, but for something like Kanji, being able to sketch out a close approximation of the character, then being presented with a list of possibilities that come the closest to matching it, maybe even (I doubt this) a quick animation sequence showing you the stroke order for drawing these characters? For tourists, students, and importers, the potential seems great. Bonus points if it can sync current currency exchange rates via WiFi.

Organizer: Practically a given (many expected this to be a function of the DS built-in), but I don't know if it could hold its own as a stand-alone application, it might have to be bundled with something else. Saving a lot of handwritten notes might be too much for the smaller save capacity, but DS Keyboard text notes wouldn't be as costly. The more this can do, the better.

Web Browser: Why doesn't this exist. Firefox, you want to take a decent chunk of the net? Cram it into DS capabilities and either sell it for cheap, or get it bundled with something else. Maybe even convince other DS developers to use your particular browser within their game. No, you're not going to be able to download and watch 50 Meg QuickTime files (unless it gets tied in to work with Play-Yan, which Nintendo isn't even selling in the US yet), but for basic browsing and checking up on news, reviews or deals sites (checking CheapAssGamer on a cellphone when you don't have the Mobile skin set is HELL) wherever you have WiFi access... why doesn't this exist yet? (PSP-owner sarcasm need not apply.) Again, the touch screen would allow for smoother progress through the pages, naturally clicking on links or typing in text.

Driving Navigator: This one might possibly be too tough for the DS, but man would it be nice. A map program, that can give voice instructions and show on the top screen a basic 3D (or 2D?) display of your path, with the bottom screen showing a detailed listing of the directions, and accepting simple "next" instructions either by touch, or by voice recognition (wouldn't be too picky about you saying it "exactly" right). Let it figure out a route for you, or plot your own route beforehand, drawing paths like you do when you take your dog for a walk in Nintendogs. It'd be nice if it could go online via WiFi and download the latest construction warnings or closures, marking roads as such.


Again, we're not talking about hot new titles, but the ability to realistically give a portable added useful functionality at just $30 a pop seems like something difficult to pass up.
 
It requires a larger userbase for utilities you're asking for to come out since they will sell to a tiny fraction of the userbase. Nintendo doesn't plan on turning the DS into a utility machine, although that might be a good idea. But that's just my personal opinion.

As for doing things like browsing the internet on the DS, unless there are DS specific sites, don't bother. If you're seen how clunky and ugly web browsing is on the PSP and even on machines designed to browse web pages (ie: palmtops with touchscreens accessing mobile webpages) its pretty stupid, the content is rather limited and the novelty of reading the web on the go wears off pretty quickly. This is what laptops are for.

Edit: The most practical utility program i can think of that may be semi useful for DS owners is an organizer that plugs into the GBA cartridge, but not just any organizer, it would be integrated with picto chat, allow users to keep a list of games they want and is integrated to an on-line Nintendo server that hosts the wishlists, and other items.

Th orgnizer itself may also mini-games games included. The interface for exampe could be a game world.

This kind of utility program will probably target the broader userbase and sell quite well without the need to wait for a massive installed base, but it also needs a company like Nintendo to develop and they're not interested in it. But who knows, they do have DS speak app they tested last E3 and that may come out as part of a larger non-gaming utility package next year. voice over ip telephony perhaps.
 
someone really should've busted this out by now.

i mean really. Web Browser, Contacts, Notes, Dictionary, and Calender all in one DS card would be soooo godly.

especially if it came with some type of flash based storage that went in the GBA slot. i mean c'mon. the fact that this isn't out yet is an insult to everyone involved.

oh, and even though it's off topic, they really need to get PSO on the DS as well.
 
Kulock said:
Foreign Dictionary: Don't worry, I'm not having fantasies of mic input or physically recorded pronunciations (but automated pronunciations would be nice), but this just seems like a great fit. (As it is, I think there's been at least two of these based on J->E in Japan.) Hunting and pecking letters on the DS's touch screen would go quickly, much faster than any D-Pad or analog stick input, and because the keyboard is virtual, it'd easily adapt to the language you're currently working with. Not only that, but for something like Kanji, being able to sketch out a close approximation of the character, then being presented with a list of possibilities that come the closest to matching it, maybe even (I doubt this) a quick animation sequence showing you the stroke order for drawing these characters? For tourists, students, and importers, the potential seems great. Bonus points if it can sync current currency exchange rates via WiFi.

touchdic.jpg
 
i would say all your ideas are good except for the web browser



the psp runs 222mhz browser and it takes ages to load anything


its ass. ds would be even worse. not to mention the horrible font size.
 
rod said:
i would say all your ideas are good except for the web browser



the psp runs 222mhz browser and it takes ages to load anything


its ass. ds would be even worse. not to mention the horrible font size.

Web browsing doesn't require lots of speed. Mobile devices have been accessing the web for ages with 33-67 mhz cpu and about the same amount of ram as the DS (4 MB).

I'm sure if resources is put into it, there will be an optimized PSP and DS browser that will run like a normal browser.

The real issue is content or rather the lack of content given the screen. If you want to browse the web around hotspots, get a laptop.

Edit: One neat idea from the PSP is game specific web access. So that companies may shift games with on-line access that takes you to a webpage optimized for said handheld mobile gaming device.

Taking that idea to the next level, I could potentially see for example Nintendo or Sony starting a content hub where people can use the same browser technology developed for these games to access Sony/Nintendo hubs. For example, reading Nintendo Power's DS edition complete with downloadable demos of games over wi-fi.

The idea though is to tie in the web browsing with the rest of the experience for the machine, which for the DS (the topic at hand) is gaming. Turning the DS into an all purpose web browser is IMHO not a good idea and the public won't bite either. They've seen it for years with palms and pocketpcs and its not all that interesting. But if they can access DS specific web content from their DS, then it makes more sense.
 
Here's a nice representation of web browsing on DS:
dsinternet6eo.png

dsinternet22jz.png

That shit is hot, yo.

edit: my first idea was like what the poster below describes, but I went with this.
 
jamesinclair said:
Calc wouldnt be accepted because of wirless. Pictochat the answers away.

You're right, I didn't think of that, darn it.



rod said:
i would say all your ideas are good except for the web browser



the psp runs 222mhz browser and it takes ages to load anything


its ass. ds would be even worse. not to mention the horrible font size.


I don't think processor is an issue. Some pretty crappy and cheap cell phones can pull it off, although rather pathetically. As for size/readability issues, someone actually suggested to me a very good method. Top screen is a normal, readable size, not wrapped to the screen, bottom screen is a zoomed-out overview of the page. You scan across and around the screen by dragging a window frame. Clicking links or input boxes would either be handled by letting you touch them on the zoomed-out screen, or a single button to quickly flip the screens and click it.
 
kulock said:
Scientific Calculator: I can't believe the TI series still cost so much, given what they offer. I realize that the DS probably has a much less precise processor chip than the specialized TI's, but I bet it has one precise enough for the needs of most students. Touch screen input is as simple as a normal calculator, but it can adapt the menus and options to the current process, and display the results with a lot more clarity and vibrancy than the TI screens could ever hope for. The touch screen could also be used to sketch rough curves or polygons, and get a general idea of the equations necessary to create them. The trickiest thing would be to get something like this accepted for classroom use, which would mean sneaking in no playable distractions or anything like that. Getting it approved by a teacher's association (and possibly for the SATs?) would give it the nod it needs, and at $30, versus paying $80-120 for a decent TI calculator, that student or the parent might be quite inclined to opt for the DS solution.

I agree. I've been talking about this for some time with my friends. Frankly I'm amazed that none is doing this. Hell I would easily pay 50-60$ to get rid of my +100$ calculator. It would be so much easier with the touch-screen (espicially with graphs) that it would make the regular ones obsulete.

EDIT: I don't mind not being able to use it on test etc. It would be enough to be able to use in class, work, at home etc.
 
Someone's already ported a TI? Quite cool. Too bad I don't have the hardware to give that a shot.

And may I remind someone in this thread who's trying to hammer a point home that we're not talking about doing your lazy Sunday browsing on the thing, we're talking about, "I need to pop online and check this quickly." (Web mail, product reviews, CAG, whatever.) There's already WAP-oriented websites that the weakest of cellphones can handle now, and many can render normal HTML pages too. You can't tell me my one-screen low-res cellphone has more under the hood and is easier to use for that than a DS would be. But I'm just talking about an encouragement to have a DS on hand, because I'm not about to drag around a $1500 laptop everywhere I go, but I'd be more likely to bring my DS if there was a chance I could check my e-mail or an MB during a boring part of the day.
 
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