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Some Revolution talk from Nintendo

Azih said:
They ran out of money, something Nintendo is not in danger of doing.
exactly. i really don't see WHY people insist on the Sega comparisson, it makes absolutely no sense when you understand both situations. And on this news, I don't see this as "bad" at all. Of course I can see why people would be upset if they didn't have a "normal" console system, but honestly, if they made a system that was so out there that Nintendo was the only company that made games for it, would people be so terribly upset at that, or would they buy a "normal" PS3/Xbox2 and have the Revolution for the Nintendo games if they really wanted to play them that badly. Instead of getting all pissed at them for trying to do something different and not give a shit what other companies do, I applaud them for taking the risk. I mean yeah I'll be disappointed if they hype it all to hell with secrecy and fears of stealing thier ideas and it turns out to be another Sunshine water gun, but I know that Nintendo will still make nintendo games, and thats pretty much all that I care about. Afterall, if they had never gambled on the Famicom/NES in what was viewed as a dead market, where would things be right now?
 
I don't want to be jumping around in my house, or having to talk into a microphone, or moving my arms around like an idiot just to play a game.
Aren't we jumping to conclusions here? We have no idea what this new interface could be. It could very well be people jumping around and whatnot, or it could allow for more subtle and intuitive control, not possible with current controller standards. This is what led to the inclusion of the analog stick in the N64, by the way (the need for more subtle and varied controls for Mario 64).
The DS is a good idea, but unfortunetly you need three arms to be able to play it properly.
I'll assume this was a joke, because I have no problem playing my DS.*

~Cris

*...and I have only two hands. :)
 
I get the impression Nintendo feels (and I do to a certain extent---fucking EA bastards) that the video game market, while on the rise in the US, will ultimately crash like it did in the mid 80's and they are once again trying to rejuvenate it like they did back then. I don't think it's going to work though. They DO need to reivent themselves, but they need to do it in the fashion Cadlliac has done with their brand (I believe someone else use that same analogy on this forum and I agree 100%).

I'll still buy the console just becasue I gotta have my Nintendo franchises fix, but I'm really confused as a consumer where they want to go with their company at the moment.
 
Nintendo, you so stupid. People don't want new ways to play games. Nintendo always does whatever the fuck they want, anyway. NuZelda is the only exception so far, I think. :P
 
Wow some of you guys seem a little too disappointed considering you have know idea what your disappointed about.
 
fugimax said:
Seriously, people speak like Nintendo is struggling financially. They're not -- not at all. In fact, they're in as good of a financial situation as they have ever been.

Besides, you know Nintendo has some kind of contingency plan. If Revolution bombs, they'll just come out with something akin to xb2/ps3 and put Zelda and Pokemon on it -- and it'll sell 10's of millions.

If this is Virtual Boy 2 and they abort after 2 years, they're done in the console hardware business. It's over. They're not competing against Sega anymore. Their competition are the heavyweight champions of the business world.

And I do believe they need to do something dramatic. But dramatic too me is gyroscopic controls and full online support out of the box. I believe a lot of their complaints are valid, but these complaints about the market have been ignored by Nintendo this generation (It just seems they're pissed that the status-quo isn't working for them... because god knows they've been anything but innovative this gen.) But I also read these comments and think they've truly lost all touch with reality and E3 is gonna be a meltdown of unparralled proportions. That's why I'm bracing for the fact I'm gonna be stunned (in a bad way) when it's all anounced. If I can't laugh at the destruction of the single biggest reason videogames rule, I'd be really sad. He're hoping for the best though.
 
Justin Bailey said:
Funny thing is, the bad marketing for Revolution has already started. Giving people new ways to play games is fine. It makes people go "wow, cool I wanna try that," but you still need the conventional stuff (re: technical power) in place for a strong foundation. Even though the Rev may be extremely powerful, Nintendo has barely said anything about it in that regard. They keep shoving the "revolutionary new gameplay" thing down our throats while PS3 and Xenon focus on how much power they have. This will eventually lead into a public perception that the Rev is not as powerful as the other two (even if it is), just like the GC has now.

I'd be more worried about the industry perception than public right now. I can't think of a single publisher or developer that has announced intentions to support Revolution in any significant way. Noboyd is talking about it outside of fanboys like us on forums. PS3 and Xenon have captured the mindshare of developers/publishers and Revolution is so far off the radar it's not even funny. (IMHO, I have no proof aside from my own experience to make this claim.) Of course, there will be support from 3rd Parties, but right now, you don't hear anyone talking about their Next-Gen Nintendo support.
 
Too many people in this thread give me the impression that they do not care about good games. Why do I say this? Well, because Nintendo has always made brilliant games. Does it really matter if Zelda is played in a new way, as long as you get to play Zelda? NO! Let Nintendo do whatever they want as long as they deliver fun games and new ways to play games.

Stop being cheap and buy all three consoles, if you have to play games 24/7. For the rest of us that actually have a life, work, and only get to play one or two games a week, whatever Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo release is just fine. I like different choices in my games and with my systems. Just like eating different foods every night of the week, who would want the same games on the same platforms with nothing new except for online features and better graphics? Eventually even this will get boring. That is what 24 years of gaming has taught me.
 
This thread is good for Nintendo.

Lower expectations = better impression at E3


Screenboy said:
Call me negative but I think Revolution is going to be shit.

Sony and MS are going to fly out the traps with their awesome consoles and the revolution will be just a gimmicky toy.


I'll trust the executives of a billion dollar company more than some kid on the internet who just wants to bash Nintendo.
 
GO GO Nintendo

Im thrilled that nintendo are trying something different, we dont need 3 consoles with the same feature sets.

The wait to see what nintendo are cooking is killing me though.
 
Mashing said:
I get the impression Nintendo feels (and I do to a certain extent---fucking EA bastards) that the video game market, while on the rise in the US, will ultimately crash like it did in the mid 80's
Considering that this is just a continuation of what Nintendo's been saying since Gamecube launch I am convinced that Nintendo is completely unable to see beyond the pathetic state of video gaming in Japan and will do whatever it takes to revive it regardless of how much it hurts them in the rest of the world or how effective their efforts are even being.
 
masud said:
Wow some of you guys seem a little too disappointed considering you have know idea what your disappointed about.

I know exactly what I'm dissappointed about. The lack of games and the long droughts that us Nintendo fans keep getting. That's what the problem with Revolution is. No third party seems to know what the Revolution is about, and considering how much more expensive it will be to make a game next gen, Nintendo is once again alienating themselves from third parties.

Look at the DS, it's innovative, two screens, one is a touch screen, built-in mic, etc. Look at third party games, no one is really using these features, all we keep getting is shitty GBA or N64 ports with a map and an analog emulator. Third parties will not try to adapt to the Revolution but rather port their games to it if they can, if it's too hard/different, they'll just dismiss it because they can just sell their games on the PS3/Xenon and not have to worry about reinventing the wheel.
 
koam said:
The lack of games and the long droughts that us Nintendo fans keep getting. That's what the problem with Revolution is. No third party seems to know what the Revolution is about, and considering how much more expensive it will be to make a game next gen, Nintendo is once again alienating themselves from third parties.


:lol Oh jeez, relax. We don't know anything about Rev yet and you're already saying "that's the problem with Revolution"?
 
koam said:
Look at the DS, it's innovative, two screens, one is a touch screen, built-in mic, etc. Look at third party games, no one is really using these features, all we keep getting is shitty GBA or N64 ports with a map and an analog emulator. Third parties will not try to adapt to the Revolution but rather port their games to it if they can, if it's too hard/different, they'll just dismiss it because they can just sell their games on the PS3/Xenon and not have to worry about reinventing the wheel.

Let's keep this in perspective--the PSP is doing hot either with 3rd party software. This is the reality for portables. The burden is on Sony and Nintendo to show others what can be done with their hardware.

In the end, I think there is just a little to much hoopla over nothing at the moment. People are acting like some extremem wacked out machine when it could be nothing more than a handful of new ideas added on top of a traditional console. It's not the end or world yet folks.
 
Enigma said:
If this is Virtual Boy 2 and they abort after 2 years, they're done in the console hardware business. It's over. They're not competing against Sega anymore. Their competition are the heavyweight champions of the business world.
I thought the DS'd be Virtual Boy 2 ?
 
I think it's do or die, for nintendo, at least, that's the approach they seem to be taking....

Remember that heaven/hell quote from Iwata?
 
Krowley said:
what if it's not even a console? maybe this is their way of leaving the console market. it's like a machine that plays games, but not even in the same catagoryas a video game console.

so drasticly different that it won't even be in competition with sony and ms. i can't imagine what that could be, but it's an interesting possibillity. hopefully something better than silly puddy with electronic sensors and a screen.

I agree with this. I cannot fathom what it would be but when they state something like a "Shift" in our industry, one can only think it is innovation beyond what we can think. Holographic? Motion-sensor control? Voice? Virtual Reality? In 1983 Nintendo brought back a dead market with innovation and great options for retailers, and frankly I am bored with what we now have in our industry. Granted I am upset with Nintendo support and my thrill for it dies as I can find many friends to play Mario Party 6 with, but with Connectivity almost a must between Rev and DS I am intrigue. Using the DS as a controller for Rev or even away to interact with or draw on screen is interesting at least. Facts are facts but if Nintendo followed the same trend of Sony and Microsoft then if one died they all would.

Look at the movie industry, nothing new all reused. Now look at the game industry, pretty similar in my opinion, even Nintendo is falling in to it with MPrime 2, MP6, Mario Tennis. Change is needed; Sony knows this but is heisted EyeToy sells so we all want something new. Xbox Live is another, voice is new and now there is 1.3 Million games liking the innovation. So it will be interesting at least what will happen, Sony wants your living room, Microsoft want you Tech lifestyle with multimedia interaction, Nintendo wants your mind get you away from your day-to-day routine.

I donÂ’t know what will happen but the innovation is needed and is accepted with open arms.
 
People just seem SO negative. Man...calm down.

Let's face it, Nintendo cannot compete on the same level as Sony/MS. If they started competing like the competition did, wouldn't they be the same old carbon copy as them? When people see the Sony name they think technology and good track record with the Playstation line. When they see the MS name they see a company who has so much money that they can/will give gamers whatever they want in a box. When people see the Nintendo name they think about games...not technology, not raw power and not how much money they're gonna use to compete with the "big boys". Even if Nintendo has better technology in Revolution than Sony...people will STILL believe PS3 is more powerful (hell, people actually believe that PS2 is more powerful than the GCN). Even if Nintendo spent as much or more money on Revolution than MS will spend on gaming people will still pay attention to Xenon more 'cos MS has more money/clout. Nintendo CANNOT and will not compete on the same level as the "big boys". Does this make them inferior, dumb or smalltime? Hell no...it makes them wise.

So if they can't compete on the same level as the "big boys"...what do they do? They create an alternative. People already see Nintendo as the secondary or even third choice behind the competition so why not run with that and become the "alternative". People will see that as a bow out or as some kind of failure just like they somehow see GCN as a failure...but it's not! Think about it, they've still got loyal fans, they're doing unique stuff, they gave me (as a Nintendo 64) more than I had last generation, they're still making lot's of money...they're not going to die! I veiw Revolution as the alternative just as people in the past would've considered NEC or SNK as the alternative to Sega & Nintendo. I'm happy with my GCN 'cos Nintendo promiced more games and more support than N64...and regardless of the fact that PS2 & X-BOX are "cooler" or they have GTA and online bla bla bla, Nintendo still delivered on that promice!

I think everyone, even us Nintendo fans, need to realize that #1 isn't everything. He with the best games wins...not the system with the best specs or the best sales. I mean really...did we really care about that crap back in the Genisis vs SNES days? No...we cared about the games. And I don't care if Revolution has NOTHING but Nintendo's own games and outside collaborations on it. It'd be nice to have all those mainstream games the competition have too, but not if it means Nintendo has to practically go outta business just to pay developers for support...and even if they played that game some developers/publishers are still not gonna wanna support them. N64 and Nintendo's old practices burned ALOT of bridges with 3RD parties...GCN rebuilt alot of those bridges so let's give Mr. Iwata a FREAKING CHANCE before proclaiming that Nintendo is going to worse and worse every generation!

I think all eyes will be on Nintendo come E3 and they got us to look without having the money of MS or the "power" of the Cell to get us to look. I think most are expecting an underpowered, ugly toy with an alienating gimmick that will send Nintendo to the doghouse, but I think most people are going to be shocked to realize that Revolution is going to be none of those things. I'm glad Revolution won't be the same ol' same ol' 'cos hopefully if it's interesting enough it'll get some of my family (back) into gaming again just as the Nintendo DS got them interested. And look at Nintendo DS, it's being marketting correctly, it's doing quite well, it's got alot of developer interest AND it's offering us new ways to play games *without* alienating the traditional way to play games as it still has buttons right? I think Revolution will be the same only better.
 
Cripes. This isn't life or death.

I think Nintendo fans need to come to a realization here: Nintendo doesn't listen to, or care about, your opinions. Nintendo is the most politician-like of the Big Three. Meaning: "we know what's good for you, and you don't".

DS? I bought mine launch day. I've played a decent amount of Mario 64, but that's it. Nothing has come out for the system and nothing is on its way. Warioware? I have it reserved, but it's just a sequel. Nintendo has yet to have shown us one piece of truly new, truly unique software that takes full advantage of the capabilities built into the DS. The DS, at the moment, despite all of its possibilities and promise, is a fraud.

As was brought up, maps and item menus are not legitimate uses for the second screen. The Yoshi demo (which turned into the Yoshi game) was the most promising indicator as to the future use of DS. However, they turned a demo into a game, and have yet to deliver on the promise of the DS.

I have not yet played a game any differently than I had before.

Which brings us to the Revolution. If it's holographic, if it's gyroscopic, or if it's any of these ridiculous ideas floating around the internet at the moment, I quit. G-I-M-M-I-C-K. What's that spell? Gimmick. What's that mean? Nintendo's track record of "innovation" the past few years. Connectivity? Bunk. Dual Screen? Still waiting. Voice in Mario Party? Blows.

The idea of Nintendo trying to compete on an even level with the "big boys" being some sort of debacle or apparent loss, is flaw-ridden and smacks of fanboy insecurities. Nintendo has the ability to compete directly with Microsoft and Sony. Nintendo has the ability to compete with them and pull a solid second. Even in the US. How? Make a kick-ass system, pack-in a game, and open it up to developers. Make it cheap to develop for. Drop the licensing costs by a large margin, at least up front. Be aggressive for once.

I think that Steven Kent put it best in his article, which I don't have the link to so I'll paraphrase: People want a tough system and good graphics. The former was taken care of with the GameCube, but here's the kicker: Nintendo failed to provide the art. Their games look terrible half of the time. They've yet to have truly taxed the system, and Zelda appears to be the only one doing it. RE4 is being ported to PS2, and from what I hear, looks just as good. If RE4 can run on PS2, imagine what the GCN can do if someone tries to push it to its limits.

But Nintendo won't. They never have. Best looking games on N64? Not theirs. Rare pushed it. And that points to an immediate weakness in the graphical development of Revolution, so Nintendo won't be winning that one.

Revolution needs to be more standard than Nintendo is letting on. Make the controllers natively wireless. Pack online into the system from the get-go. Pack a wireless networking card into the system, for the love of Pete. I use wireless internet, and it's one of the greatest innovations in the past ... while. Provide mind-numbing power. Launch with Mario, follow up a month or two later with Mario Kart, follow that up with Zelda. But while doing this, make something new. Pikmin was awesome. But Pikmin 2 sucked. Was the game inheretly bad? No, but it was the same thing, minus the time restrictions.

The fact of the matter is, nobody knows what Revolution is, but a lot is riding on it. I agree with the post stating that, if Nintendo fails this gen, they're done. They are. Nobody will want them anymore.

If I were in charge of Nintendo, I'd consolidate my position as the Apple of the videogame industry and just focus on doing the nifty things that people want to see from me. And, this is just a hunch, but from what I'm reading about Revolution, all I see is another DS. If it isn't something cool, and if it isn't something worth playing, then I quit. Not a big loss to me. It's just a game.
 
I think people are just letting out some steam folks, its okay and understable fear. I think some have sensed that nintendo maybe going so far back to their roots(card based company) that this device maybe nearly unrelated to video gaming as whole. Ownly time will tell.
 
If the next Nintendo system was just like the PS3 and Xenon, I would not be looking forward to it. I agree 100% with Nintendo that games need to change. Before the DS was announced, no one knew what Nintendo had up their sleeve. But such a simple idea like having 2 screens instead of one and putting touchscreen control on a portable was really neat IMO. I hope the Revolution offers a new experience similiar to the DS.
 
RE4 is being ported to PS2, and from what I hear, looks just as good. If RE4 can run on PS2, imagine what the GCN can do if someone tries to push it to its limits.

From what you here? Oh do tell. RE4 IS pushing the GC to its limits.

But Nintendo won't. They never have. Best looking games on N64? Not theirs.

Wasn't there a character on Seinfeld who asked questions and then answered them himself? And yeah, F-Zero X, Ocarina of Time, Mario 64 and Starfox 64 disagree with that statement.
 
When, in the history of the world, have people NOT BEEN SCARED or IN FEAR of things that are different or they don't understand? When?

Interviews are interviews, and snippets of information and ambiguous rhetoric are just that.

Paradigm shift - revolution - new way to play

All these things mean nothing to me, and should mean nothing to all of us, until we see what Nintendo has to offer. Be afraid.

Be afraid of the possibility of failure, but be even more afraid that Nintendo delivers a revolution and paradigm shift in the game industry. Nothing good comes to those not willing to take risks. The notion that Nintendo is even 'risking' anything with the Revolution is unfounded, as we have no idea what they have planned.

I'm willing to bet this ambiguity is just driving Sony and MS nuts! :lol
 
Jacobi said:
I thought the DS'd be Virtual Boy 2 ?

I never said that. I always like the idea. In hindsight, however, I think they'd just planned to release a GBA upgrade that could do N64 ports when PSP was announced... so they scrambled to come up with a way to salvage it... how else can you explain the lack of games utilizing its features? Even the cool games like Yoshi seem like they were done in a very short period of time (Like after it was announced). What could have been a throw back to old-school simplicity is looking like an after thought (Just cram something together to get this thing salvageable against PSP (Which amazingly has an even crappier line-up than DS.)
 
0wn3d said:
How many people do you think actually *know* what the Revoltion will be?

probably a lot of people that work at nintendo in the research and development section. i'm just waiting for them to spring a leak, like they did with DS document (unless one of these circulating rumours is actualy true and it's already leaked).... even nintendo will have a tough time keeping this under wraps in the current information friendly environment. there's probably someone on this forum that knows, or has an inside source that's told them something in confidence. i wish they would share :P
 
Oh my god!!! Vague statements about things in the future that possibly might be different, but we still have no real idea about?!?!?! Duck and cover! Duck and cover! It's over man! Game over!
 
This thread is awesome. The Nintendo pessimists, trolls and haters united together to create one of the most retarded topics ever. I can understand the trolls and the haters (and we all know who they are), they're doing their job as always, but for god's sake you damn pessimists do you even know what this new thing will be, so that you can bitch about it all the time? Also who the hell told you that Revolution will not be powerful? I swear this forum is turning into teamxbox more and more day by day.
 
I'm glad Nintendo is trying something new with Revolution. They can't go the same route as Sony and Microsoft, this generation has shown that. And even if they packed in the hardware power, networking features, DVD playback, etc. next time, it wouldn't be enough to beat the competition, who now have the background and brand recognition of that featureset.

I have no financial interest in Nintendo, so how well Revolution performs is a distant concern, as long as it doesn't drive them out of the business. What I'm more interested in as a gamer is seeing some truly original, compelling software from them, and maybe this oddball approach will foster just that. Going the traditional way is pretty much what they tried with GameCube and the results were mixed.

The comparison's been made a lot, but maybe Nintendo will further their image as the "Apple of Videogames" with Revolution. Innovative products (some more successful than others) that offer an alternative approach from the prevailing market leader, retain a smaller but loyal consumer base, and continue to be profitable.
 
but right now, you don't hear anyone talking about their Next-Gen Nintendo support.

Lucasarts mentioned Revolution the other day. In the same sentance as xbox2 and ps3. So publishers are considering what games to put out for it.
 
Many didn't like Wind Waker at first because it was different, many were eventually converted. Some still hate, others always loved it. Same goes for Revolution, only - WE HAVE NOTHING TO GO ON!!!!

It's going to be awesome. I can't wait for pride to be swallowed.
 
GAF = teamxbox?

More like the whole US of A is becoming a "Only on Xbox!" and "Live!-aware" place. Too much blind, irrational hate towards anything from Japan be it Nintendo - (GameCube = dead system, DS = gimmick, Revolution = even more stupid gimmick) or Sony (PS3 = all hype no matter, developers don't want to work with it etc.)

But I don't blame them. They are supporting their (American) company - Microsoft. I'd do the same here in Europe but we all know Europe can't do shit.
 
Nintendo PR-guy: "we're going for a paradigm shift"
GAF: OH TEH NOES!!! Sell your Revolutions, Nintend00m3d.

Kutaragi: "Cell will make possible a transformation in entertainment like that from novels to movies"
GAF: Man, I wonder how powerfull the Cell will be. This is going to be great! *not believing the exaggeration, but understanding the point = very powerful*



For all the peeps going crazy with the negativity towards Nintendo: I don't get you. Have you forgotten that this is PR? Didn't the Sony people say they'd bring movie quality gfx with PS2? With only the information I have now, and the talk Nintendo PR was going into about the DS, I expect the Revolution to be a standard console, with an additional input method. This will allow them to differentiate. Unlike the DS and PSP the difference in visuals is not going to be that huge.

Currently I see the Rev in comparison with the PS3/Xenon as a "PSP with DS capabilities" against the PSP.
 
Borys said:
GAF = teamxbox?

More like the whole US of A is becoming a "Only on Xbox!" and "Live!-aware" place. Too much blind, irrational hate towards anything from Japan be it Nintendo - (GameCube = dead system, DS = gimmick, Revolution = even more stupid gimmick) or Sony (PS3 = all hype no matter, developers don't want to work with it etc.)

But I don't blame them. They are supporting their (American) company - Microsoft. I'd do the same here in Europe but we all know Europe can't do shit.


yeah, Sony isn't successful at all in the US.

can i have some of what you are smoking?
 
Thats nintendos problem. They don't lie enough in their PR.

it should be

PR: Holy shit dudes Nintendo is going to blow you away come *release date* with amazing graphics and an incredible experience!

Then release their paradigm shift thing, which will probably have graphics on a par with Sony and microsofts self claimed UBERCOMPUTERS
 
catfish said:
Thats nintendos problem. They don't lie enough in their PR.

it should be

PR: Holy shit dudes Nintendo is going to blow you away come *release date* with amazing graphics and an incredible experience!

Then release their paradigm shift thing, which will probably have graphics on a par with Sony and microsofts self claimed UBERCOMPUTERS

But that way the known trolls will blame nintendo for overhyping and talking bullshit. I don't think there is something Nintendo could do and not get bashed here.
 
catfish said:
Thats nintendos problem. They don't lie enough in their PR.

it should be

PR: Holy shit dudes Nintendo is going to blow you away come *release date* with amazing graphics and an incredible experience!

Then release their paradigm shift thing, which will probably have graphics on a par with Sony and microsofts self claimed UBERCOMPUTERS

bitwise said:
have you ever read a nintendo press release? :lol

See what I was talking about catfish? There will always be people like bitwise who will blame Nintendo for everything just to troll (newsflash for bitwise: the usual MS/Sony PR has 10x more bullshit than the average Nintendo one).
 
Having not read anything in this thread beyond the initial post I just have to say...

Is Nintendo TRYING to alienate customers? Holy hell, I can't remember the last time they've said anything that encourages me about them as a first party.
 
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