Somehow, Physical Media Returned

Idk I just moved and felt like an asshole moving huge boxes of DVDs and Blu Rays from one basement to another, likely to never be used again. If I don't offload them before I'm dead I'm sure the kids will spit on my grave after having to throw all that crap in the garbage themselves.

Regardless, yes I'm still in for select 4k releases like the upcoming Ninja Turtles trilogy from Arrow. Sorry kids!
 
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I feel like it's not even watching them. Just showing off what my favorite movies and tastes are. I watched back to the future multiple times when it aired on tv, I still love my unopened Back to the Future triology blu ray set on my shelf to show that I like the movie. Also proudly display my VHS Star Wars triology of the 1997 remastered versions
 
Idk I just moved and felt like an asshole moving huge boxes of DVDs and Blu Rays from one basement to another, likely to never be used again. If I don't offload them before I'm dead I'm sure the kids will spit on my grave after having to throw all that crap in the garbage themselves.

Regardless, yes I'm still in for select 4k releases like the upcoming Ninja Turtles trilogy from Arrow. Sorry kids!
I kinda feel that way as well, and try to curb my hoarding tendencies, especially now when I have the funds to buy virtually anything like this.

I try to keep it in perspective as if I stumbled across my grandfathers 8mm film collection of B&W westerns or betamax or whatever. Cool? I supppose. Am I gonna spend the time to figure out how to watch them? Maybe. AM I gonna watch that kind of content, unlikely. Vinyl, perhaps, though my dad had nothing but 45s of beach music really, almost not my jam. Books would be more interesting. My folks have a MASSIVE 100+ year old bible with full on leather and wood carving cover, I'm trying to see if I can get them to restore it. Damn thing must be 20 pounds, could probably summon Cthulhu with it :P

I need to set a goal of total divestiture of media collection by age 70 just so my kids don't have to wade through a pile of junk. I figure by then I'll be well into the VR future.
 
I switched to blu-rays this year.

I did a plex server for a while, but I hate how some formats fuck up when you rewind, and I feared my drive is gonna crash and ruin my collection at some point. I also want extras and it's hit and miss on what you can find digitally, plus blu-rays usually have perfect subtitles, while not everything digital do.

The reason it's blu-rays and not UHD is because blu-rays are way cheaper and easy to get used. UHD wouldn't be worth it for me. I can't spend that much on movies, I already spend too much on games.

Physical is worth it if you like extra content and watch a lot of stuff. I have watched all my blu-rays and I watch commentary tracks on the regular. I just listen to Ridley Scott commentating Alien, and last week, I listened to Stallone commentate First Blood, which was excellent.

I watch a lot and enjoy looking over my collection to find cool stuff.

I have had several collections in the past, but sold it off because of the clutter (women hate shelves with films), or because I convinced myself I am gonna stick with streaming. But I love to see what I have, and have grown tired of streaming services, and I don't trust that everything will be up forever.

Blu-rays solve my nitpicks, and I just put them in boxes now and stash them in my storage room, so it doesn't clutter.
 
I sold a collection of about 500 dvd's about 20 years ago and never really got back in to it. Only have about 50 Blu-ray's and 4ks of some of my absolute favorites but I also have a decent amount available via movies anywhere. Honestly o don't really watch movies much at all anymore.
 
It could be, but they won't let it. Every potential progress is being ruined by fucks.
Anyways, I started from scratch on UHD and Bluray a year ago. I only buy movies I know I'll rewatch 3+ times because it's super expensive here in Canada. I won't pay 50$+ for a standard release. I wait for sales, but they also don't print a lot so you can miss out also.
It's insane how bad it is for movies.

For music, you have the original lossless files available for pretty much any music you want, in your subscription app of choice. Better than CD quality.

In films, there is no fundamental reason why you couldn't access the same original DCP files your local cinema gets, uncompressed at full master quality, in a single service. It's not some miracle technology, thousands of cinemas get any film they want downloaded today. You, instead, you need to fuck around a dozen services hoping you can find at least a bad HD version.

I actually looked into creating a home cinema around original DCP files. It's possible using DCP certified kit. Chasing the files from different studios is a massive pain though, but there are concierge services like Bel-Air Cinema who do that.

It's probably 20 years out, but the endgame of movie services will be a single catalogue of the DCPs wrapped into an iTunes-like, purchase-based service. Streaming economics are too bad.
 
It's probably 20 years out, but the endgame of movie services will be a single catalogue of the DCPs wrapped into an iTunes-like, purchase-based service. Streaming economics are too bad.
I don't know I am a bit blackpilled. Most aren't dissatisfied from the lack of audio-video quality clearly. I've had tech guys trying to convince me prime video quality is the same as a UHD disk. People are getting annoyed by the separate steaming services, but not enough to go back to physical media at least not at the current price. I'd bet on them losing interest in movies in albums in general vs a major comeback of physical media, I hope to be wrong.
 
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thing is that the majority of consumers aren't going to jump back physical media no matter how bad streaming gets. these people are happy with webcam streams of movies, that's how little they care for any effort of visual/audio quality
 
I don't know I am a bit blackpilled. Most aren't dissatisfied from the lack of audio-video quality clearly. I've had tech guys trying to convince me prime video quality is the same as a UHD disk. People are getting annoyed by the separate steaming services, but not enough to go back to physical media at least not at the current price. I'd bet on them losing interest in movies in albums in general vs a major comeback of physical media, I hope to be wrong.
Life in current_year is basically just having your attention siphoned by low quality slop in every conceivable direction.
 
I don't know I am a bit blackpilled. Most aren't dissatisfied from the lack of audio-video quality clearly. I've had tech guys trying to convince me prime video quality is the same as a UHD disk. People are getting annoyed by the separate steaming services, but not enough to go back to physical media at least not at the current price. I'd bet on them losing interest in movies in albums in general vs a major comeback of physical media, I hope to be wrong.
I think you are right that discovery across dozens of services, and the sheer unavailability of many films is the main consumer pain point. Particularly that could be fixed by making a master DCP catalogue and a system to distribute income, and you'd get the max quality as a bonus.
 
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apparently some newer DVD re-releases cheap out and are using a lower quality encoding than older copies and some use low quality discs
 
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oh, shit... just saw the pinned comment. ok. a completely different issue, and an even worse one lol
Yeah, gotta be careful on eBay, lots of stuff looks legitimate at first glance now. No point giving bootleggers money, doesn't support the existence or restoration of media unlike buying from the boutique publishers.
 
Ever since the PS3 I was all in Bluray. Well a few occasional DVD's before that I guess.

Best Buy removing all their stuff in stores still hurts since that's where I got most new release copies offline and with good sales to go with them.

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I guess I consider my media consumption hybrid.

I will personally go out of my way and am willing to pay more for physical media, as long as it isn't totally crippled by some crazy DRM scheme (code in a box, Switch 2 key cards, game discs without the actual game, etc.). My game collection, especially Switch 1 software, is admitadly ridiculous and probably unnecessary. With everything being key cards on Switch 2, my collection there is paltry. I also have a pretty sizable collection of movies and several TV shows as "complete series" on a range of DVD, Blurays, and a handful of 4K stuff.

That being said, there are lots of areas where I go digital. Steam is probably the worst offender for me personally, as I own license a few thousand games digitally there. Even still, I prefer GOG since it's totally DRM free and have hundreds of purchases there as well but still digital. My wife is hugely into K-Dramas, so I have an ongoing annual subscription to Rakuten Viki as it's seemingly impossible to find any of the shows she watches in any sort of physical form (unless you're willing to buy Asian bootlegs, which I am not).

I own a lot of blu-rays, and tons of them came with digital codes that I've redeemed. Even though I could pull a movie off the shelf to play it in higher quality, I'll usually opt to just stream the digital copy instead. Back when Walmart owned VUDU I got a lot of my other DVDs and Blu-rays converted to digital for cheap, so I have a pretty sizable Movies Anywhere digital collection (just looked, 690 movies). I have a lot more on Fandango At Home, formally VUDU, as a lot of the movies I converted at Walmart weren't on the MA program. (just looked, 969 movies).

So the system I have kinda works for me. I have a lot of digital stuff purchased, but most of it is backed up by physical media that will still be useful if a service, studio, or game company shuts down their servers.
 
Rituals are important. Ownership is important. Living intentionally is important.
Let's not exaggerate. The drive for physical is largely a fad IMO, hippy kids finding something to do. As others have mentioned - you re-watch or re-read a vast minority of what you own, all those movies are just filling out space till either you decide to donate/sell almost all one day or you die and your kids will do likewise or just throw it away. Not to mention companies learned it and will scam you with super-never-seen-before-deluxe edition with a few plastic gimmicks (made in China) for $99 or more.

I have very, very few book series that I bought in entirety in one shot just because they together look nice on the bookshelf. A few coffee books, that's it. Instead I have quite a lot of paintings in my house.

Same with media - yes, I don't own things, but instead of 10 cables behind the TV stand I have three hidden behind the piano - Apple TV, TV, wi-fi router.

I greatly prefer my space not cluttered by objects. If you see many rich people's homes this is also what you see - no clutter.
 
apparently some newer DVD re-releases cheap out and are using a lower quality encoding than older copies and some use low quality discs
It's happening, but it doesnt make sense because even your current desktop PC can encode a DVD movie at least 3 times faster than playback. The only reason I can think of is they are making them worse on purpose so people jump to blurays ASAP.
 
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My library is currently very mixed. Most movies and shows I keep digital copies, and half my games are digital with no DRM. If I can get the same experience digitally, then I'll drop physical. It's what I did for everything PS2 and below, except dreamcast and saturn. Helps a lot since I travel so much. But I don't bother with any subscription services
 
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It's far too impractical these days. When I was a kid you could genuinely have most of the interesting movies and tv shows on VHS in a home collection. Same with music. That's maybe not so practical these days with the huge amount of content that gets produced.

And we're about to enter an era of AI slop. Where we'll get overwhelmed with AI movies and music.
 
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I have a storage 1600 miles away full of retro game stuff. It's so expensive to get it and to leave it there. I hate it. So I can't be bothered to keep buying physical media even though I completely agree.
 
I never stopped buying discs. I probably have over 200 4k blurays, 150 regular blurays, and a bunch of tv shows across all formats as well external hard drives filled with digital files.

The boutique stuff (Criterion/etc) can get expensive, but the majority of my 4k collection were acquired for $10 or less. That doesn't include the $4-$6 i get by selling the digital codes either, so we are talking like $5 out of pocket per 4k.

You just have to be smart about sales. Like Target just had a buy 2 get 1 free deal on media, but also had Circle deals like 15% off that stacked with it. Amazon copied Target's b2g1 sale on certain movies, but then their Prime Day deals happened at the same times and the deals stacked on certain items. Stuff was very cheap. There's a good deal on MoviesUnlimited.com right now that has Paramount 4ks for $8.78 each. Best way to keep up with everything is the deals section of the Bluray.com forum.
 
Been collecting Blu-ray/4K discs for about 18 years, a majority of my collection is now 4K. I have a Panasonic UB820 so even if something is only available on Blu-ray, they still look great with the 4K upscaler. I enjoy collecting them and I'll keep doing it until the formats die.

Rumor has it that Shout/Scream Factory isn't going to have their own website next year and will sell through other places, so there's been a lot of substantial discounts on their site lately if anyone is interested, it's worth keeping an eye on. Lots of 4K discs have been $9-$15 but they sell out fast.

That Criterion sale with the Wes Anderson set for $249 is very tempting.
 
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Allow me to rant about how the relative abandonment of physical media has crippled the hardware scene. Blu-ray has been out for DECADES. 2-4K projectors have been around for some time as well. There are dirt cheap 720-1080p projectors with built in DVD players, but NO ONE makes a blu-ray projector, regardless of output resolution. NO ONE.

Thankfully lots of Disney blu-rays include a dvd as thats the majority of what we watch outside on a projector, but it really sucks that I have to drag out shit to watch a blu-ray outside. Obviously for a nice built in projector system I could wire in any player I wanted and ensure a good internet connection, but for impromptu firepit movie nights the wi-fi can be unreliable and the more power cords, hdmi cables, and all that shit I gotta drag out to set up, the less likely I am to do it.

I blame the collapse of the disc market for this, despite DVD being ancient tech at this point the hardware guys never evolved to blu-ray in this market because the demand just tanked. I don't really even need more than 1080p from the projector, just the capability to play BR and down res it, just so I can stop keeping DVDs around. As it is I have a small duffle bag of gear when a nice compact projector with semi-decent speakers and a BR player is all I'd really need.
 
Books and comics alone are a huge problem for me when moving. All of my games, CDs and movie discs could probably fit in 4 cardboard boxes, in comparison.
Music and movie consumption occupies very little of my free time these days. I used to get movies I liked on DVD and BR, but I rarely bought new stuff even in those days, and it's been literally years since I last bought a BRD or a music CD.

Paper is the one physical media I have some sort of addiction to. But even on that front I've reduced my purchases more and more. Physical editions that are really worth the purchase over their digital version are probably luxury editions that take a lot of space and weight a ton, at this point. I rarely find a good reason to buy a paperback these days, if it has zero illustrations and it can be found on ebook. Printing quality has generally degraded enough that e-ink will basically offer the same readability, and with ebooks you can change the font if you want (the choice of font in printing has quickly become somewhat of a dying art, too).

The big question is, how much of your physical media will you consume again in the future?
Possibly half of the books I own I've read only once, and I have no urge to re-read them. Sometimes I think I still own some book I actually got rid of years ago, and whenever I browse my bookshelves I'm reminded of some book I didn't even remember I have. Not a few of the books I've bought, I've never read at all. Just like I have physical music and video that I've bought and never took out of the box. Just like I've bought several video games that are still sealed.
Kojima's movie collection is impressive in pictures, but… it's just a collection. As are most collections you see on YT videos talking about games, movies, music, books. All of those people, all of them, will never consume again 90% of the physical media they have. And, as small as my possessions are compared to theirs, the same applies to me.

BRDs and CDs may still make sense if you care about top audio and video quality vs streaming, but it's rare now to get physical versions that offer content that hasn't been tampered with somehow. Most records have been remastered, and not always for the better. Most movies have been regraded, cleaned up, edited, and/or there's different versions around and it's not easy at all to know which one is the most faithful to the pre-digital era versions. Even books are being edited, see the debate about Roald Dahl's books.

I guess my bottom line is, as much as I like physical media, I already have too much of it that people wouldn't know what to do with in case I die. And I'm actively trying to not increase too much the amount I already own, because in the end most of it is very ephemeral, and I don't really care that much for at least half of what I own, if not in my fond memories of a past self that doesn't exist anymore. Like we've said in this thread, most of it is about rituals and the sense of identity and meaning that owning something gives you. And I think this has very much to do with the renewed interest in physical media that is happening. People want to have something to show off, something that represents what they believe they are and stand for. Turns out that owning nothing probably won't make us all that happy. But in no small part, it's still a way to fill a void. At one point most people will realize that their turntable and vinyls aren't getting as much use as the compressed digital version of the same music on their phone. But those will still look cool on their shelf, and they'll have a story to tell and some background for their photos.
 
Yes, the DVD to Bluray to 4K format transitions have been brutal and demoralizing at times when you have a substantial movie collection. It's not like books or music where the content itself is more or less in ideal form from the start. With movies you can spend thousands collecting for years, then see most of it become worthless and obsolete. I didn't want to go through that again either, so I went digital for a number of years with streaming services and iTunes (with its auto 4K upgrades).

But we are at the end of that road now, more or less.
Thank you, I've been trying to express this view point for some time, but never had the appropriate words for it, but you do!
 
The worst development in the physical movie game IMO is the new strategy from Sony/Disney. Sony took over distribution for Disney and now a bunch of their releases are only available in 4k in $40+ steelbooks that can be hard to even pre-order before they sell out of the very limited supply. So no price drops and no seeing what the transfer is like before buying. This includes Tron/Legacy, Edward Scissorhands, and A Knight's Tale to name a few.

And now Lionsgate is getting in on it with their LionsgateLimited.com exclusive $35-$40 4ks (plus $8 shipping) like Frailty and The Descent.

So all in all considerably more expensive than stuff from Criterion, Arrow, Shout, etc. At least those you can consistently get for $25 or less.
 
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All I'm ordering for this sale, but I'll definitely be picking up Eyes Wide Shut, The Breakfast Club and Pee Wee's Big Adventure later this year.
 
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I've been buying more and more physical films lately. There are some I want to watch when I want to watch them and I don't want to bounce between streaming services looking for them.
 
My first dvd was Ninja Scroll, still have it
Ummm holy shit...it was my first VHS tape/anime. Bought it at Saturday Matinee in the only mall I had within an hour and 1/2 of my house.

Got that and Akira on the same day...ahh the memories!

(ninja scroll >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> akira all day ere' day)
 
The Holdovers 4K just went down to $17.99 on Shouts website. Excellent movie for a great price, only 92 left in stock.

 
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