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Sony alone cannot be market leader
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crackajack
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There is competition in the entertainment space, Nintendo, PC, movies, smartphone doomscrolling etc. but in the high end console market Sony is kinda alone right now. Monopolies almost always suck. Switch1&2 is priced like it is because of that. PS6 will probably be priced equivalent to second job PS3. Rare exception is Valve. Gabe won't live forever though. After he is gone that will turn bad fast. Unless Valve gets entirely integrated in the open source world of Linux.
Guardian Monkey
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They are all PC parts, they just have different OSes. The gap is closing in the OS space for gaming. I'm not saying that consoles don't have their place. But they aren't different as PC vs consoles use to be 25+ years ago.
Horseganador
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Most people here don't care about the competition (there are other markets where other brands are more dominant and they don't care), what bothers them is that Playstation is the one that takes over the "traditional" console market and that's it.
Unknown?
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Monopolies actually aren't inherently bad and can be very beneficial. It's when they start lobbying and get government intervention that prevents them from failing when they suck. They get government to pass laws and regulations that keep them near the top and prevent newcomers from competing. That's when it goes from monopoly to coercive monopoly.
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reinking
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Last I heard, Xbox is still releasing a console and they have an army of OEMs lined up to release all sorts of console options. The market leader will be the market leader based on what consumers are purchasing. Being the market leader has to be earned by providing what consumers want, it isn't given out on internet message boards.
vaibhavpisal
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See, this is the problem right there.
Someone that actually uses the system should make this thread.
With that said, I can see if you are on pc, xbox console is not needed. You cannot force a company to get into hardware if they dont need/want to. Dominating hardware needs considerable commitment, supply chain etc. Xbox has decided its not worth it.
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There is a simple solution to this problem, PS becoming too arrogant or even complacent. Just get out of the ecosystem if you think thats the case.
I wont be buying Switch 2 cause after Switch 1, I don't think their game prices make any sense. They just stop me from trying out stuff, opposite of what I want from the ecosystem. Unless they fix those, I will skip it.
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DeltaPolarBear
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The weird thing is that PlayStation had been the market leader for 30+ years at this point. I think it is a bit late to complain when it had been the case for that long. Anyway, Xbox only showed up after SEGA's death. And we will one day have a new challenger when Xbox goes away. But right now as I once described it, the Xbox is like a bloated decomposing beached whale. It is getting in the way and not giving any new challenger room to move. Got to move the dead weight off stage first.
ShaiKhulud1989
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PlayStation is not fighting Nintendo or Xbox ever since Switch/XO days.
The main battleground is your fleeting free time. End of story.
The main battleground is your fleeting free time. End of story.
ShaiKhulud1989
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X360 made a small dent, but for all the wrong reasons (rampant and very easy piracy).
lughnasadh123
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No one needs to be singled out when we've seen gross practices not only from the big three but incompetence by those trying to break in. Maybe Steam can fill that hardware spot left by Xbox thought I'm not sure if or how that would affect the others.
Sometimes I wish Microsoft would of bought Sega back in the day. That would of been an incredible 1st party exclusive showcase on top of Microsofts Halo Gears Fable trio still existing. Sonic as Xbox Mascot with Master Chief could of worked. VIRTUA Fighter exclusive fighter.
Problem is I feel like Microsoft and Sony have lost their identities. Nintendo is the only one with true brand loyalty console exclusives. Sony Wolverine will move a few more consoles tho. But honestly what will the Ps6 launch with that will make it a must buy? It would have to be Spider-Man 3 no?
Problem is I feel like Microsoft and Sony have lost their identities. Nintendo is the only one with true brand loyalty console exclusives. Sony Wolverine will move a few more consoles tho. But honestly what will the Ps6 launch with that will make it a must buy? It would have to be Spider-Man 3 no?
Mr.Phoenix
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First off... PS is not alone in the market, there is nintendo and there is the PC.
Second, what PS has shown, and has pretty much always shown, and Nintendo figured this out early, is that the market cannot support more than one PS-like, or let's call it, high-end gaming console at once. So you cant have an equally successful PS and Xbox console, one would have to suffer, or ones success will usually mean the cannibalization of the other.
Third, Every company, be it nintendo, nvidia, Valve... are arrogant. However, sony was not "arrogant" with the PS3, well, at least not for making it nor its price, even at that $600 price tag sony were losing over $100 on each unit. Unless we are calling their ambition arrogance. Was it ill-advised? tone deaf? over-engineered? Yes. Arrogant? No. Hell, people say sony is arrogant because they try and protect their platform and compete... but wnt call Nintendo, Nvidia out for doing the same or worse? But yh, that cooment about getting a second job was hella tone deaf. But why I would say tone deaf and not arrogant, is that sony has always been a premium brand. Thats like saying apple is arrogant for pricing something they make higher than everyone elses.
Second, what PS has shown, and has pretty much always shown, and Nintendo figured this out early, is that the market cannot support more than one PS-like, or let's call it, high-end gaming console at once. So you cant have an equally successful PS and Xbox console, one would have to suffer, or ones success will usually mean the cannibalization of the other.
Third, Every company, be it nintendo, nvidia, Valve... are arrogant. However, sony was not "arrogant" with the PS3, well, at least not for making it nor its price, even at that $600 price tag sony were losing over $100 on each unit. Unless we are calling their ambition arrogance. Was it ill-advised? tone deaf? over-engineered? Yes. Arrogant? No. Hell, people say sony is arrogant because they try and protect their platform and compete... but wnt call Nintendo, Nvidia out for doing the same or worse? But yh, that cooment about getting a second job was hella tone deaf. But why I would say tone deaf and not arrogant, is that sony has always been a premium brand. Thats like saying apple is arrogant for pricing something they make higher than everyone elses.
Can't tell if serious....
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The_Observer
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Yeah, they won the retard contest while they had the other retard company in the race. If they are so bad now how bad will they be once they won't even have any competition at all? Thankfully, I have a backlog that lasts until I die and some occasional gems will still be released, so I don't really care anymore.
sainraja
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I think you might need to adjust your expectations a little bit. There is still going to be competition for Sony. The landscape has (obviously) changed. PC is competition for Sony if they still want us to buy stuff on console.
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Tobimacoss
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Have you yet figured out why Nintendo's profits are higher?
Just like they only care about "releasing on PC is good" with Playstation, nobody says anything about Nintendo... Of course, except for Phil fantasizing in leaked emails about buying Nintendo and that their future was being "exclusive" to Xbox.
Unknown?
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Their next game will be Ratchet I believe. PS5 version already looked like a kids movie.
Kerotan
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Ellis
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Yes. And by some margain.
I mean all three have their lanes
Sony = Console
Nintendo = Portable Console
Microsoft = PC
I think Microsoft even though they have the hardest battle in the pc space atleast they are figuring out their strengths they have the most dominate os for pc gaming might as well utilize that the best they can and give Sony the console space.
Sony = Console
Nintendo = Portable Console
Microsoft = PC
I think Microsoft even though they have the hardest battle in the pc space atleast they are figuring out their strengths they have the most dominate os for pc gaming might as well utilize that the best they can and give Sony the console space.
KanKamAndNob
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As someone who has almost no interest in Sony exclusive games, the truth is that Sony is market leader because the normie trash is most popular on PlayStation. It's the uncomfortable truth that fanboys don't like to hear. COD, sportsball trash, Assassin's Creed, Fortnite, Minecraft, and Roblox can quite easily keep PlayStation alive without so much as a single "SoNy BaNgEr" for the foreseeable future. GTA 6 will also be very shortly added to the list of "games keeping Sony alive". If Xbox had that same kind of lead that Sony did in the PS4/XboxOne era where they had the flock of casuals comfortable with their multiplayer/multi console games like that, then Xbox would be the leader.
Gaming is now, as much as I don't like it, "mainstream". Low effort crap like some of the games I mentioned makes up the overwhelming majority of the best selling games literally every month or year without fail. Only a few exceptions break through, but even then, the continous cash flow for those games outshine outliers like Witcher 3, Cyberpunk, or Hogwart's Legacy that is the best selling game for that year. I don't like Sony being a monopoly unlike the majority of Gaf users, but it's just the way the market has shifted in their favor because normies associate the games they play the most frequently with PlayStation.
Gaming is now, as much as I don't like it, "mainstream". Low effort crap like some of the games I mentioned makes up the overwhelming majority of the best selling games literally every month or year without fail. Only a few exceptions break through, but even then, the continous cash flow for those games outshine outliers like Witcher 3, Cyberpunk, or Hogwart's Legacy that is the best selling game for that year. I don't like Sony being a monopoly unlike the majority of Gaf users, but it's just the way the market has shifted in their favor because normies associate the games they play the most frequently with PlayStation.
yurinka
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Like it or not they can, they are and will continue being the market leader. This year with their first party lineup and GTA6 should have a nice bump versus previous year.
Not true, PC gaming revenue is around the same size of the revenue of all three consoles combined (not counting game subs), and a big majority of the PC revenue is from Steam. Meaning, Steam must generate more revenue than PS (who has around 55% of the console market).
No, it is not. Sony generates way more revenue than Nintendo. And more profit, and has a larger active userbase. Sony is the market leader in console, and it's also the top grossing company in the entire gaming industry (also including PC and mobile).
Steamdeck haven't sold 5M copies. Very far from even WiiU or PS Vita.
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Aressa
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This. Unless you're a shareholder, cheering for a monopoly is pure stupidity. Sony didn't get strong by being alone. Competition made them better. No rivals means worse products and higher prices. I feel like I lost brain cells just explaining this.
MMaRsu
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Its not about what i like or not tho, they should feel the fire but they are just coasting
DryvBy
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These companies don't fight even near as hard as they used to. Now they're on X congratulating releases of exclusive games.
Compare that to marketing we grew up with:
diffusionx
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By this logic, Apple is failing because they pay out ~$50B a year to devs in the Apple Store.
xanaum
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Sony doesn't run a tyranny where people are forced to buy their stuff, that's a super simplistic take.
PlayStation just played the market game and beat a competitor that was openly trying to crush them. Those leaked Phil Spencer emails during the Activision deal showed where the real arrogance was talks about pushing Sony out and even buying Nintendo to destabilize the market. That's how you make everyone dependent on you. And even in third place, we saw MS raising prices on services and products after the Activision/Blizzard deal.
Sony beat Microsoft like a shonen anime protagonist, fighting a giant monster with unlimited money and still winning because they won over consumers.
Their best gen was PS2 with barely any competition. They screwed up early PS3, then rebuilt by massively expanding their IP portfolio. That comeback wasn't because of Xbox or Nintendo, it was because they had to win back consumers.
Bottom line: consumers moderate Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, and PC. They decide PlayStation's fate. It's Sony's most important business, so they fight hard for approval. If they mess up, it's life-or-death correction mode. And honestly, there's no better leader than a company that needs the gaming market to survive and only Sony and Nintendo are really like that. They'll keep trading leadership, and PC/console hybrids from different brands will show up as third options. In the end, the market balances itself out.
PlayStation just played the market game and beat a competitor that was openly trying to crush them. Those leaked Phil Spencer emails during the Activision deal showed where the real arrogance was talks about pushing Sony out and even buying Nintendo to destabilize the market. That's how you make everyone dependent on you. And even in third place, we saw MS raising prices on services and products after the Activision/Blizzard deal.
Sony beat Microsoft like a shonen anime protagonist, fighting a giant monster with unlimited money and still winning because they won over consumers.
Their best gen was PS2 with barely any competition. They screwed up early PS3, then rebuilt by massively expanding their IP portfolio. That comeback wasn't because of Xbox or Nintendo, it was because they had to win back consumers.
Bottom line: consumers moderate Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, and PC. They decide PlayStation's fate. It's Sony's most important business, so they fight hard for approval. If they mess up, it's life-or-death correction mode. And honestly, there's no better leader than a company that needs the gaming market to survive and only Sony and Nintendo are really like that. They'll keep trading leadership, and PC/console hybrids from different brands will show up as third options. In the end, the market balances itself out.
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EDMIX
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Sony is market leader because they've had the longest consistency.
Nintendo in the last 2 generations has done a great job but consider this is the first time in a very long time they've actually been consistent with a system
Microsoft as always been inconsistent at no time have they ever been able to capture the market in truly offer competition to Sony in a real meaningful way
All you have to do is look at the list of game of the years and notice how absent Microsoft is. Microsoft wanted to have this evergreen concept with forza Hala and gears, They are not Nintendo... Make an such a set up similar to Nintendo having Mario Zelda and Mario kart.. They are competing against a giant like Sony that refreshes their properties every generation to bring in new consumers. So Sony's ability to always have their teams bringing out fresh new content every generation is something many of us expect and has kept them market leader for a very long time, But the real thing that is solidified this spot for them Is that there is no guesswork anytime a new playstation comes out, It is a progressive step in a direction we are familiar with with a layout of controllers we are familiar with. Because they cater to the hardcore like this people are easily able to grow with them.
Microsoft is still pushing a lot of the same properties. I have nothing against the resurgence of fable as that is a bit of a different story considering it's been absent for sometime, We do not need a new Halo and another remake of Halo and then another gears this type of fucking fatigue is What got consumers moving away from them. Because if you did not like a lot of those properties on the previous xbox you had no reason to buy the new one which is why those sales are complete fucking shit...
Sony caring about their core players is why they are market leader... When it comes to making a competent system in providing support for it this is something they've done extremely well as to why they are market leader that did not just happen by accident.
I don't disagree that competition is healthy for consumers but talk to me when there is a company that actually can provide real competition for Sony
Right now there's 0 on the horizon...
Nintendo in the last 2 generations has done a great job but consider this is the first time in a very long time they've actually been consistent with a system
Microsoft as always been inconsistent at no time have they ever been able to capture the market in truly offer competition to Sony in a real meaningful way
All you have to do is look at the list of game of the years and notice how absent Microsoft is. Microsoft wanted to have this evergreen concept with forza Hala and gears, They are not Nintendo... Make an such a set up similar to Nintendo having Mario Zelda and Mario kart.. They are competing against a giant like Sony that refreshes their properties every generation to bring in new consumers. So Sony's ability to always have their teams bringing out fresh new content every generation is something many of us expect and has kept them market leader for a very long time, But the real thing that is solidified this spot for them Is that there is no guesswork anytime a new playstation comes out, It is a progressive step in a direction we are familiar with with a layout of controllers we are familiar with. Because they cater to the hardcore like this people are easily able to grow with them.
Microsoft is still pushing a lot of the same properties. I have nothing against the resurgence of fable as that is a bit of a different story considering it's been absent for sometime, We do not need a new Halo and another remake of Halo and then another gears this type of fucking fatigue is What got consumers moving away from them. Because if you did not like a lot of those properties on the previous xbox you had no reason to buy the new one which is why those sales are complete fucking shit...
Sony caring about their core players is why they are market leader... When it comes to making a competent system in providing support for it this is something they've done extremely well as to why they are market leader that did not just happen by accident.
I don't disagree that competition is healthy for consumers but talk to me when there is a company that actually can provide real competition for Sony
Right now there's 0 on the horizon...
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Their audience eat that slop three times a day and have zero complaints
demigod
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I see Ryu Cooking Some Rice is back to his usual schtick. How did he get out of his perm ban from before?
Felessan
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Nope
Majority of PC revenue are not on Steam, Steam only ~25% of market, the rest are on their own. Biggest PC games like Fortnite, Roblox, Mihoyo, Riot, most Chinese/Korean MMO etc are not on Steam
Steam estimated revenue is 17bn and Sony is over 30bn
DavidGzz
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Unfortunately, we'll never stop seeing that. Fanboys gonna fanboy. They'd rather watch their "enemy" die than have good competition that will benefit them. It's a mental deficiency.
PropellerEar
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Xbox fandom is mental deficiency.
DavidGzz
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Any fanboyism is. Fanboys defend something no matter what and dismiss any criticism. It's retarded behavior.
PropellerEar
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DavidGzz
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When did you get cured?
Cured of what? Buying all platforms and playing games on them? What am I a fanboy of exactly?
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DeepEnigma
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/thread.
PropellerEar
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DavidGzz
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Closet one...
I'll excuse you since it seems English is maybe your third language.
PropellerEar
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Miyazaki’s Slave
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They are going to be "box option 50 for game like entertainment choice" in three years time.
Microsoft played it right, they are buying up all the content to so they make money in every ecosystem.
Sony is going to protect their ip but what do they have coming out that is worth hoarding?
Their exclusive IP compared to Nintendo is a joke esp with the up and coming gen of gamers.
Microsoft played it right, they are buying up all the content to so they make money in every ecosystem.
Sony is going to protect their ip but what do they have coming out that is worth hoarding?
Their exclusive IP compared to Nintendo is a joke esp with the up and coming gen of gamers.
UniformDeliverance
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I mean.. they aren't. Tencent is right up there with them.
DeVeAn
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THAT'S Jim Carrey!
NeoIkaruGAF
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Sony is market leader because they're coasting off of the unparalleled support they got with their first console.
Giving third parties an easy platform to develop for, and releasing them from Nintendo's tyrannical control, got virtually all devs aboard the PS bandwagon. And then, the sheer penetration of the brand meant that you could never go wrong releasing your game on PlayStation. They had literally zero competition against the PS1, and that gave the PS2 a guaranteed userbase.
Xbox got the wrong timing on everything and made some poor choices when they could have gotten a serious foothold in the market.
Xbox put western games first in an era when Japanese games were still firing on all cylinders and the JRPG craze was at its highest. Also, they jumped into the market with a machine that was too big and had too few games for the Japanese audience, and that was too expensive for the European audience. All of this meant that outside of America, they were always at a disadvantage.
Later, they failed to deliver a better machine than PS4 when consoles abandoned custom hardware to fully embrace PC hardware, Japanese games where at their lowest interest in history, and Nintendo would have gone under without Pokemon and the 3DS. Xbox One is where Xbox lost the race. They could have had the full support of the industry there and then, if they just provided hardware on par with PS4 and didn't reveal their idiotic TV TV TV plans. That was the last train for any PS competitor, and they missed it big time.
Sony doesn't really care about their core players right now, and hasn't for some time.
It's just that they've had all the install base and all the devs on board for thirty years straight. And now they also have the majority of online console communities, which means that nobody is gonna jump ship if their friends aren't doing so as well - and they're not. The consolidation of online communities was the final nail in the competition's coffin.
So yes, it's true that Sony doesn't really have to put in any effort. They've made scorched ground around them, and nothing can grow there for a long time. Nintendo only holds on because of Pokemon and the few exclusives that still sell 20+ million copies, but with their current pricing strategy, it's unlikely that they will repeat the success of the Switch.
PlayStation stands alone, and has nothing to prove anymore. They wouldn't keep spitting on their historical userbase with their AAA girlboss games and their desperate attempts at a GAAS breakthrough if they thought they had any ground to lose to anyone else.
Sony is leaving behind their core players quickly. Time will tell what happens next in this industry, but if rumors of Wife of War are believable as they are without any shred of concrete proof, it's because many of Sony's core players have long realized that they don't really matter anymore, and Sony isn't doing anything to hide it. A day may come when the blue ponys will have to realize they won a battle, but lost the real war.
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