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Sony 'not worried' by iPod Video
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AndreasNystrom
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Still.. Ipod cant play games.
Phil Harrison was on BBC news last night at 10.25, saying exactly that. This shows two things
1) Apple are very good at getting from a 7pm announcement to a 10pm news program in the UK
2) Sony are on the ball with PSP and had Phil either ready for a counter appearance, or had his comments recorded with the BBC earlier in the day, just in case.
1) Apple are very good at getting from a 7pm announcement to a 10pm news program in the UK
2) Sony are on the ball with PSP and had Phil either ready for a counter appearance, or had his comments recorded with the BBC earlier in the day, just in case.
Late Stage Marxist
Member
This thread needs PlayStation vs iPod sales numbers. Which is the stronger brand?
Personally, I have a preference for the Sony PSP, because of the screen, games, UMD, emulation, and memory stick functions. But I'll stick with my iPod shuffle for my portable music needs.
Personally, I have a preference for the Sony PSP, because of the screen, games, UMD, emulation, and memory stick functions. But I'll stick with my iPod shuffle for my portable music needs.
Aruarian Reflection
Chauffeur de la gdlk
...and really, they shouldn't be. It can't touch the PSP.
Lack of widescreen pretty much lost my interest. Still, if it has a sizeable storage capacity, a bright clear screen, and a decent price, I can see it becoming a legitimate challenger to Sony in the portable video market. If it supports DivX/Xvid I can see it garnering lots of support too.
Personally though, unless the features blow my mind, I think I'll stick with my PSP
Personally though, unless the features blow my mind, I think I'll stick with my PSP
Skin said:Is anyone here seriously impressed by the new Ipod video? I'm not. The screen is way too small to watch movies on it and not even widescreen. I think Nano/PSP is the best combo for me
no. Its a stop gap and realistically its not aimed at video nuts. Its there if you want a music ipod that does a bit of video.
The video ipod that does a bit of music is the one you'll want, and I'm sure it'll come.
The thing it does do though, is kick start the service and let Apple get the deals in place before the 'proper' ipod video drops.
I just have no idea why Apple stuck with the 4:3 aspect ratio for the video iPod. I was pretty confident that the widescreen fake that was going around the net recently was indeed a fake, but I was also convinced a video iPod would be announced, and I was expecting a similar layout to the fake. Even then, I probably would've stuck with my PSP for video playback just due to screen size, but making it 4:3 just really boggles my mind. I mean, sure, most music videos and television is currently full frame, but the major networks are now broadcasting in hi-def, as well as tons of music videos, and the trend is only going to continue rapidly.
radioheadrule83
Banned
I really want the new iPod.
There are ways I can raise the capital and its gonna mean one of these things: my PSP goes. Or I hold off on X360. Or I sell my current iPod and some other stuff, and save for the rest.
The media functions of the PSP are nice but totally irrelevant. All I want to do with it is play games.
The iPod (20gb model) that I carry around EVERYWHERE, now has an upgrade model with more space (at least 30 times what the PSP has if you can afford a 1gig memory stick), a colour screen, longer battery life (about 4 times more than a PSP has), and connectivity with the excellent and well established itunes service, which is already providing music videos, and will have episodic content too. They nailed the exact kind of content that you might wanna take portable. Feature length movies arent something I want for the train. This is what I want.
To be honest, the PSP has too much potential for games. Thats the only reason its not on ebay as we speak.
There are ways I can raise the capital and its gonna mean one of these things: my PSP goes. Or I hold off on X360. Or I sell my current iPod and some other stuff, and save for the rest.
The media functions of the PSP are nice but totally irrelevant. All I want to do with it is play games.
The iPod (20gb model) that I carry around EVERYWHERE, now has an upgrade model with more space (at least 30 times what the PSP has if you can afford a 1gig memory stick), a colour screen, longer battery life (about 4 times more than a PSP has), and connectivity with the excellent and well established itunes service, which is already providing music videos, and will have episodic content too. They nailed the exact kind of content that you might wanna take portable. Feature length movies arent something I want for the train. This is what I want.
To be honest, the PSP has too much potential for games. Thats the only reason its not on ebay as we speak.
echoshifting
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mrklaw said:
I agree with this assessment.
I'm more excited about the video services the Ipod video will offer than with the device itself, like being able to watch my tv shows while I'm on the train for two bucks a pop the day after they air. If they play without commercials (and I'm pretty sure they will), I'm sold on the second generation version of this device.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
How's the refresh on the screen and what formats does it support? More than .mp4 I hope.
The very first thing said at the unveiling was how it was still a music player first. Video is just a bonus, in the same way photo support was a bonus. They haven't even called it the iPod Video
The deals with broadcasters and the content is the important thing here. It's testing the waters without taking much of a risk, and if sales of things like the TV programmes take off it will put more and more pressure for other broadcasters/film studios to get on board. As happened with the music store.
When all the content is secured, especially the films, then you will see a proper iPod Video with widescreen and new form-factor. The iPod launched yesterday is just a deluxe version of the previous model for the same price. Not a bad deal really.
The deals with broadcasters and the content is the important thing here. It's testing the waters without taking much of a risk, and if sales of things like the TV programmes take off it will put more and more pressure for other broadcasters/film studios to get on board. As happened with the music store.
When all the content is secured, especially the films, then you will see a proper iPod Video with widescreen and new form-factor. The iPod launched yesterday is just a deluxe version of the previous model for the same price. Not a bad deal really.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Well, ABC/Disney owns ESPN (Sportscenter). That right there is Major.
Chittagong
Gold Member
The point most seem to be missing is that Apple is setting up the first consumer-friendly business model for video content distribution
- simple purchasing
- content management
- DRM
- pricing and royalty structure
What they've done with Lost and Desperate Housewifes is great. At the moment the 320x240 resolution, the 2.6" screen and 4:3 aspect ratio suck. But it really is a baby step to encode the videos in a different resolution and produce an iPod supporting that - although I believe that this will be a lot bigger hit in the living room than on the go. With a single event, Apple put in place your digital living room - down to the remote controller.
Sony better be very scared - and it is beyond me why they are so fucking incompetent that they haven't done a similar setup for PSP already, with MemoryStick, 16:9 screen and ownership of a huge catalog of content. Right, just let Apple become the dominant player in video like they did in audio with iTunes, idiots.
- simple purchasing
- content management
- DRM
- pricing and royalty structure
What they've done with Lost and Desperate Housewifes is great. At the moment the 320x240 resolution, the 2.6" screen and 4:3 aspect ratio suck. But it really is a baby step to encode the videos in a different resolution and produce an iPod supporting that - although I believe that this will be a lot bigger hit in the living room than on the go. With a single event, Apple put in place your digital living room - down to the remote controller.
Sony better be very scared - and it is beyond me why they are so fucking incompetent that they haven't done a similar setup for PSP already, with MemoryStick, 16:9 screen and ownership of a huge catalog of content. Right, just let Apple become the dominant player in video like they did in audio with iTunes, idiots.
Kung Fu Jedi
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I have no idea why the iPod and PSP have to be compared at every turn. Yes, they are both at the top of the list for must have gadgets, but aside from that, they aren't even really going after the same market.
The iPod is a slick music player with a great interface, small form factor, and a excellent software combined with an online music store, which also now happens to play videos as well. But lets not lose sight of the fact that it is still a music player first with all other functions as a secondary. The iPod also has the advantage of plenty of storage space, but is hampered by a small screen for media playback, however, it can be displayed on a TV screen.
The PSP on the other hand is a slick handheld video game machine with excellent graphics and sound in a very nice, although not all that small package. It has a wonderful screen and a solid interface of it's own. It also happens to have the ability to play media, both music and video, on it as a secondary function, but lets not lose site of the fact that it is primarily a game machine first. The PSP is hampered by a lack of storage space, which can be added, but at quite an expense, but UMD movies give it an edge in media playback, as far as a library of titles that can be purchased.
They both have their place. I have an MP3 player (Rio Karma) that I use when I want to listen to music, espeically on the go. I use my PSP for games and wirelessly surfing the web from time to time. I also have an Archos AV400 personal video player for on the go video. It crushes both the iPod and the PSP in video options. Not even close. As none of them are better than the others in all areas, I generally will carry one or two of them in a backpack with me when I intend to use them, with all three making the trip on a long trip/flight.
The iPod is a slick music player with a great interface, small form factor, and a excellent software combined with an online music store, which also now happens to play videos as well. But lets not lose sight of the fact that it is still a music player first with all other functions as a secondary. The iPod also has the advantage of plenty of storage space, but is hampered by a small screen for media playback, however, it can be displayed on a TV screen.
The PSP on the other hand is a slick handheld video game machine with excellent graphics and sound in a very nice, although not all that small package. It has a wonderful screen and a solid interface of it's own. It also happens to have the ability to play media, both music and video, on it as a secondary function, but lets not lose site of the fact that it is primarily a game machine first. The PSP is hampered by a lack of storage space, which can be added, but at quite an expense, but UMD movies give it an edge in media playback, as far as a library of titles that can be purchased.
They both have their place. I have an MP3 player (Rio Karma) that I use when I want to listen to music, espeically on the go. I use my PSP for games and wirelessly surfing the web from time to time. I also have an Archos AV400 personal video player for on the go video. It crushes both the iPod and the PSP in video options. Not even close. As none of them are better than the others in all areas, I generally will carry one or two of them in a backpack with me when I intend to use them, with all three making the trip on a long trip/flight.
Chittagong said:
Yeah, the new iMac and FrontRow is blatantly a move in that direction. I'm sure Airport Express with video streaming is not too far away, and that FrontRow will be supported across the range.
Probably a Mac Mini with direct TV connections as well.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Nash said:
Yep, 499e Mac Mini with Front Row, remote, HD video support and optical audio output, and maybe a digital TV tuner - that would completely and utterly own the living room.
Kung Fu Jedi
Member
Chittagong said:
With HD support, the mini is going to need a MUCH larger harddrive.
krypt0nian
Banned
Not even sure why ipod is ever mentioned with PSP.
Next thing we'll be comparing dishwashers with washing machines.
Wake me when it plays Burnout Legends...
Next thing we'll be comparing dishwashers with washing machines.
Wake me when it plays Burnout Legends...
Mario_Hugo
Lisa Edelstein's dad touched my private parts. True fact.
Who cares about the ipod video? I care about the [coming] itunes movie store.
Meh, it always will end up like this for the PSP since it's a multimedia device.
"Well the PSP can't compare to an iPod and it playing games don't matter"
"Well the DS is better because it has more games and it playing videos and music doesn't interest me"
I was taking a long look at the new iPod though but them sticking with that small screen just isn't cutting it. Just like I laugh whenever anyone brings up the Play Yan Micro. Look, the play yan makes a great MP3 player, but that's about it. It's the ghetto of video players at this point. If people are going to seriously bitch that they don't care for watching videos on the go, then suddenly settle for second rate screens I call bullshit. Anyone buying this version of the video iPod are not very bright consumers either. I can practically guarantee you Apple is working on a newly designed iPod with a bigger crisper screen. Now that version I will take a gander at down the road when it comes out, but for now I don't really need to carry 20 different movies or an entire season of a TV show around with me at all times and I don't feel like downgrading from my "widescreen HDTV" to a "SDTV" either.
"Well the PSP can't compare to an iPod and it playing games don't matter"
"Well the DS is better because it has more games and it playing videos and music doesn't interest me"
I was taking a long look at the new iPod though but them sticking with that small screen just isn't cutting it. Just like I laugh whenever anyone brings up the Play Yan Micro. Look, the play yan makes a great MP3 player, but that's about it. It's the ghetto of video players at this point. If people are going to seriously bitch that they don't care for watching videos on the go, then suddenly settle for second rate screens I call bullshit. Anyone buying this version of the video iPod are not very bright consumers either. I can practically guarantee you Apple is working on a newly designed iPod with a bigger crisper screen. Now that version I will take a gander at down the road when it comes out, but for now I don't really need to carry 20 different movies or an entire season of a TV show around with me at all times and I don't feel like downgrading from my "widescreen HDTV" to a "SDTV" either.
Ponn, I don't think you get the point of the new iPod. Firstly, it's not iPod Video. It's just a new iPod with video functionality. I'm sure there will be a dedicated iPod Video player somewhere down the line.
Secondly, you made a personal decision not to "settle" for a smaller screen, but you don't represent the average consumer. Perhaps hard drive space, battery life, and durability are much more important to someone than the screen size. Who knows? I can't tell what's in people's heads. Certainly the market has shown that they don't care about minor differences in audio quality (since the iPod is outdone by many a-player) as much as they do about ease of use and content delivery.
And speaking of content delivery, this is perhaps the most dangerous thing for Sony that Apple can do. If Apple can hook people on their iTunes video products, and conceptually connect that to their hardware, UMDs are going to seem a lot less desirable.
Secondly, you made a personal decision not to "settle" for a smaller screen, but you don't represent the average consumer. Perhaps hard drive space, battery life, and durability are much more important to someone than the screen size. Who knows? I can't tell what's in people's heads. Certainly the market has shown that they don't care about minor differences in audio quality (since the iPod is outdone by many a-player) as much as they do about ease of use and content delivery.
And speaking of content delivery, this is perhaps the most dangerous thing for Sony that Apple can do. If Apple can hook people on their iTunes video products, and conceptually connect that to their hardware, UMDs are going to seem a lot less desirable.
I'm sure you meant to put via download at the end of that first sentence, because there certainly have been at least a couple of consumer-friendly business models for video content distribution prior to what Apple is doing.Chittagong said:
Success with the iPod doesn't guarantee success with their digital living room offering. Nothing's been put in place other than the announcement of a new product.
As you yourself pointed out, the iPod with video capabilities is a very incremental step, much more so than the original iPod - i.e. the original iPod probably fulfilled more peoples' desires for music on the go right out of the gate than this new iPod does for video on the go. In a similar fashion, Sony's approach is also incremental, just from a different direction, starting with UMD video and then incrementally adding features like direct download to the PSP via the browser and streaming via their Location Free technology. Perhaps you prefer Apple's approach but there certainly seems to be evidence that many like Sony's approach so far as well, if accounts of UMD movie sales are to be believed.
FortNinety
Member
There should really be a combo PSP/iPod Nano case where they're fitted together, such as putting them back to back, so both are in your hands for easy access. That would make much money I thinks.
Kung Fu Jedi
Member
Apple isn't calling the 5th Gen iPod the "iPod Video" by the way. It's just simply the iPod (which now happens to have the ability to play video). As others have said before, the real iPod Video will come out next year, when more content is available in the iTunes Music/Movie Store. They're just setting out trial balloons at the moment. That new iPod Video will probably have a much better screen, more storage, and a different OS/Interface. It'll also cost a lot more I'm sure. When that happens, it'll destroy the PSP as far as media playback goes. Of course, it still won't play Burnout Revenge! :lol
To be honest, I don't think they should be really, it's now that they really need to focus on the one good thing they've started...
They claim they have a good thing going with umd movies, so expand on that fucktards. (make them affordable and increase the library, offer royalty cuts or something
)
They also claim they'll be offering a Video-On-Demand service with the psp very soon, Well where is it assholes?
If they plan on waiting until they ps3 launches to expand on the psp's functionality, then they derserve to lose some marketshare.
They claim they have a good thing going with umd movies, so expand on that fucktards. (make them affordable and increase the library, offer royalty cuts or something
)They also claim they'll be offering a Video-On-Demand service with the psp very soon, Well where is it assholes?
If they plan on waiting until they ps3 launches to expand on the psp's functionality, then they derserve to lose some marketshare.
Mihail said:
Bingo. That's why I said it's not very bright for a consumer to buy a version of this just because it plays video. Did you take a look at the iPod thread in OT yesterday? Did you see how many people placed an order right after the announcement?
Sure those things are important to some people, and yea i'm a quality person. I want my picture or my HD tivoed Lost episode to look freaking amazing when i'm watching it. What's your point though? I never said people should not be interested in a video iPod. I said they are not very bright if they don't wait for the real version of it.
Honestly i'm just wishing the comparisons would stop. Content delivery is nice (and i'm still thinking the PS3 and this content delivery have something cooking in the works) and will be a perfect setup with the "real" video iPod no doubt. Consumers want it simple. As soon as they pop some movies into that service it will really take off. Hell, pop Family Guy and Futurama in there and you will make a ton of people happy. Until they get movies though it's not doing anything for people buying UMD's. Still again you are talking about two different products like i've been screaming since the PSP came out. You can't base it against an iPod and say Sony should be scared when it plays PSP games, and it's unfair to iPod because it doesn't play games. So basically, stop comparing the two.
Link316 said:
Not really. Sony is thinking broader than just watching TV shows on the PSP. They got the entire movie industry behind them now on the UMD Movie format. Plus TV compilations are starting to show up on PSP UMD Video.
Sony is the one ahead. Apple is the one playing catch up.
Plus the PSP has better screen resolution, bigger screen, and more features to boot.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
When ipod can play videogames with good supports as well as different variations of PSP ranging from $100-$400 call me, other than other than that, meh.
Kung Fu Jedi
Member
Mrbob said:
Hey, I love Tivo as much as the next guy, and I'm getting an HD-Tivo from DirecTV installed on Saturday, but have you checked Tivo revenues lately? They have zero chance of "owning the living room" and are just hoping they'll weather the next few years and survive.
Error Macro
Member
jarrod said:
I don't like it when people start thinking like that. I hope we never see the day where you can't own a physical copy.