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Sony to debut flash-based audio players

MAR. 8 12:50 A.M. ET Hoping to regain some of its luster in a market dominated by the iPod, the company that brought us the Walkman is coming out with big lineup of portable music players.

In unveiling nine new players, Sony Corp. is taking particular aim at Apple Computer Inc.'s slim new iPod Shuffle.

That's because, like the Shuffle, the new Sony players use flash memory, a storage medium more durable, lightweight and compact than its larger-capacity cousin, the hard drive.

The new Sony players also support the generic MP3 audio format, which is what most people use when converting their music CD collections to digital files. That's a major concession for Sony, which had tried until recently to persuade consumers to only use its proprietary audio format, called Atrac.

Industry analysts seemed impressed by Sony's latest move.

"It's like the empire strikes back," said Richard Doherty of The Envisioneering Group. "Sony has taken a lot of quiet and loud criticism and has turned it into a brilliant line of players."

The lineup includes a set of cigarette lighter-sized models, a bit more expensive than the iPod Shuffle but with a much longer advertised battery life -- 50 hours of playback time with a rechargeable battery compared to Apple's 12 hours.

And unlike the Shuffle, the Sony players have bright, 3-line screens to display song information.

A 512-megabyte model costs $130 and a 1-gigabyte model costs $180. Models with an FM tuner each cost $20 more. By comparison, Apple's shuffle is priced at $99 for 512 MB and $149 for 1 GB. The models will be available in May.

A second set of players, set to ship later this month, are roundish, with a diameter slightly larger than a poker chip. They run on AAA batteries, which Sony says will give the user 70 hours of playback time on a single battery. The prices range from $90 for 256 MB of memory to $150 for 1 GB of memory.

A third design is water-resistant, costing $130 for 256 MB of memory.

"We know we've been behind a bit," acknowledged Kelly Davis, a Sony product manager for digital players. "But we definitely want to be a strong contender in 2005."

Analysts don't expect the Japanese electronics giant to dethrone Apple, which holds more than a 60 percent share in the fast-growing portable music player market. But some predict Sony can climb into a No. 2 position by year's end, surpassing a slew of other pocketable players that are based on Microsoft Corp.'s Windows audio format.

Last year, Sony began shipping the Walkman Digital, a palm-sized, aluminum-encased player with a 20 GB hard drive that retails for about $350.
 
i-Pod Shuffle will probably still sell more units than all 9 of those combined.

The bigger question is what Sony plans to do about the main i-Pod line.
 
Sony already has Hard-drive players as well, they just need to get off the reliance of ATRAC. Which seems to be the angle they're taking what with making their Hi-MDs support MP3s natively.

"ve the user 70 hours of playback time on a single battery"

:-O
 
I think honestly its too late.

Really, Sony has to wait for Apple to screw up some how, but they're not going to catch Apple even if they fix all their errors the way things are now.

Imagine that -- Sony being trumped (well trampled) in the area of marketing/brand perception.

And I quite like the design of Sony's MP3 HDD player, its very compact, but whenever I try to reccomend one to someone over an i-Pod, people just seem to recoil in disgust or something lol.
 
Yea their new NW-HD3 already supports MP3, has 30 hr battery life. The only part of that equation that needs fixing is the software side.

These new flash players sounds pretty hot to me, huge battery life with a screen and all.
 
Well, Sony hasn't really marketed anything lately, at least, not on TV. Where as I'm bombarded with sillhouette dancers daily. I think if they blast the airwaves with it, they could take some steam out of Apple. Let's face it, the average consumer judges based off of looks and Sony's models are really, really fucking slick, they just need to let people know they exist. It's not as if Sony doesn't have a brand name.
 
Teknopathetic said:
Well, Sony hasn't really marketed anything lately, at least, not on TV. Where as I'm bombarded with sillhouette dancers daily. I think if they blast the airwaves with it, they could take some steam out of Apple. Let's face it, the average consumer judges based off of looks and Sony's models are really, really fucking slick, they just need to let people know they exist. It's not as if Sony doesn't have a brand name.

The more I learn from reading consumer surveys the more I start to doubt even this.

I read that scientists wired consumers taking a Coke Vs. Pepsi test and even though these people's brainwaves reacted better to one brand, they still sometimes chose the other brand as their favorite based on their prior pre-conception of that company.

Basically their brand perception even overruled their taste buds.
 
IMO Sony are picking up scraps or those who want to replace their iPods. I hate to say it but the iPod is one of the greatest examples of commercial design ever. Sony's 'slickness' is nothing compared to it. Maybe if they use OLEDs to use as a gimmick factor.
 
Fuck Apple, Sony now has to compete with so many great flash based players from other established venders like Sandisk and Lexar that has fantastic flash players at better cost, that it's really too little too late, unless they go aggressive on price like PSP.

Obcourse, they don't make money off the content in this case, so forget that idea. :lol
 
acklame said:
Yea their new NW-HD3 already supports MP3, has 30 hr battery life. The only part of that equation that needs fixing is the software side.
Sony needs to drop the price of that NW-HD3 though to compete against the ipod by like $50. The battery life is what makes their player turn heads since they are now supporting the mp3 format.( I love my 54 hour playback on my NetMD player). But, you can probably tell a NW-HD4 or something will be released by the end of the year with a color LCD. If Sony can say put memory stick duo pro support in their NW-HD3 and maybe in their upcoming flash players, then that can also turn more heads. Sony really let Apple through the door though.
 
Teknopathetic said:
Wow, people suck.

I swear, if only PSP supported MDs.
:lol Sony suck. MD's suck. People want HD or flashbased media players now.

They were sleeping. But 20 or so years of the Walkman, Discman brand have been good enough. They let a relative novice take their loot.
 
The new Sony players also support the generic MP3 audio format, which is what most people use when converting their music CD collections to digital files. That's a major concession for Sony, which had tried until recently to persuade consumers to only use its proprietary audio format, called Atrac.
It's really sad when the iPod has more format support than you do. No sale. ;)
 
Why not use your own MemoryStick, Sony? WHY NOT?!?!

I remember when everyone was going ga-ga over their MSticks...where are they now? WHERE ARE THEY NOW?!?!

When it comes to their Flash players...I think that it should be an easy sell. I know from experience that my Sony discmans (discmen?) sound way better than any other brand. The audio output was unmatched, and this is why I'm not surprised to hear that the PSP sounds fabulous.

So if they market it and really knock the iPod in ads, they could do very well.

A simple comparison that could even be made into an ad...it's like comparing two cars, one with a crappy stereo, compared to one with an awesome system (heheh, remember SEGA's ad that had a drag race car vs. a Milkman's truck?). iPod's sound like this...Sony's sound like this...why get an mp3 player when it sounds like a tape player in the end? And then they should throw the iPod out a window from a skyscaper and ask it to fly. :P
 
Teknopathetic said:
Hi-MDs are easily the most versatile/quality music players on the market, and even then, it's not like Sony doesn't make HD players.
It's what the masses want. Professionals already use the MD to record since the quality is good. Shit I'd take an iRiver HD player than a Sony HD player coupled with SonicStage. Sony deserve the position here. To use an analogy Apple= PS2, Sony = Gamecube, iRiver\Creative= xbox
 
I'm impressed. While I have a 1 GB Muvo V200 that I'm pleased with overall it's battery life is pretty crap. These players sounds awesome.
 
Keeping in line with the topic, Walkman phone by SE was unveiled earlier this week. The SE W800c:

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I'm not to crazy on the color scheme but specs are pretty impressive.

"The W800 offers users up to 30 hours of battery life and also includes a 2-megapixel camera with an auto-focus option and 4X digital zoom," he says. The phone comes with a set of headphones, 32MB of internal memory, and also includes a 512MB Sony Memory Stick Duo, allowing users to listen to entire albums on their phone. Also included with the phone is Disk2Phone software for copying songs from their PC to their phone.

Plays back ACC and MP3 as well.
 
the "los lonely boys" ad they had I think showed off some really slick and attractive players and was great marketing, but overall I think the Sony name isn't what it used to be...

in portable music most people associate that with mini disc still...
 
Fight for Freeform said:
Yowzerz! How much is that phone retailing for?
I'm not sure but here is some other info for the W800:

http://www.clubsonyericsson.com/en/index.php

W800: The same as K750 with some added music features like the ability to play MP3 with the phone switched off (thatÂ’s a battery life of 30 hours) and a line-out accesory for connecting it to a Hi-Fi system. Has support for Memory Stick Duo Pro.

...in some Walkman phone youÂ’ll be able to listen to the music through double loudspeakers with channel separation.
 
first pics

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not sure which of the three designs these pics refer to though.

launching worldwide in may, will be shown at CeBit.
 
Alcibiades said:
the "los lonely boys" ad they had I think showed off some really slick and attractive players and was great marketing, but overall I think the Sony name isn't what it used to be...

in portable music most people associate that with mini disc still...
i think far more people associate Sony with CD players than MDs. The format just never took off here, even when it was clearly a much better format than anything else in its price bracket.

What's really annoying is how Sony keeps making incremental steps towards building the perfect Sony portable. After MD technology was more or less perfected around 2000, Sony released NetMD. Finally, there's a way to title tracks and transfer music at higher speeds than real-time. Before NetMD, you'd have to buy a device to do this or manually title them one character at a time. The downside to NetMD was that there was no way to transfer tracks from the MD to your computer, and that tracks could only be transferred three times before they were locked out (DRM). A couple of years and ATRAC revisions later, HiMD is released. A gig of storage, serves as a mass storage unit, no more crappy DRM, and now you can transfer tracks to your computer (only through mic in though). A gig of storage didn't seem like a whole lot then, and it's not, but it's plenty for a few hours of songs or recordings via a mic, and disks are cheap.

It's the same thing now. Finally, Walkmans can play MP3s, "natively". They're still wrapped in an OMG file IIRC, but no more conversion. But that's it. No AAC support, and WMA and WAV files still have to be converted before transferring.

SonicStage is still a mess. In typical Sonyware fashion, it's stylish, yet bloated UI is inversely proportional to it's ease of use and functionality. It's sluggish and recently it's started crashing more often. Version 3.0 sports a reworked interface and from what i've read, seems to load faster, but not much else has changed.

Amazingly, i still use MD and ATRAC3. MD has suited my needs for a number of years. i'm using ATRAC3 on my MD simply because i have to -- it doesn't support MP3s. But i'd still use it on a future device for my lossless CD rips alongside MP3s of stuff i've downloaded. ATRAC3 sounds good to me and compares more closely to AAC than MP3. It would be great if they'd just allow it to read various files directly instead of having to use SonicStage to transfer music. That'd at least allow you to use any one of dozens of programs (including explorer) to transfer tracks directly to the device.

Sony really needs to embrace reality and open up their support, rewrite their software, and agressively market their devices if they intend to stand up to Apple and the iPod.
 
The first line is an iPod Shuffle competitor. They range in capacity, and there's an FM tuner option for each capacity (from what i can tell) as well.

The second sounds like a more stylish wearable player. Slightly larger than a poker chip, runs on a AAA battery it probably doesn't have a display, but it's a bit more inconspicuous when worn.

The third line puzzles me. Water resistant? Is that really something people are looking for in an MP3 player? Sony would definitely be one of the few major companies offering one.

Don't forget they've also got a line of HiMDs being released over the next couple of months.
 
Fight for Freeform said:
Yowzerz! How much is that phone retailing for?
It's not out yet but it's expected to cost DKK 3500 here in Denmark (approx. €470). It's likely to retail for less in other parts of the world.
 
Defensor said:
Keeping in line with the topic, Walkman phone by SE was unveiled earlier this week. The SE W800c:

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I'm not to crazy on the color scheme but specs are pretty impressive.

Plays back ACC and MP3 as well.

And no WMA? Not that I care, but that's an interesting decision. And btw, Motorola/Apple's iTunes phone 'rokr' is due to be unveiled on thursday. So while W800 is very nice, I'd wait can see if Moto can deliver something Razr/Slvr-like that's affordableor add iTunes to their existing phones.

With the flash players though, I don't see anyone apart from Apple releasing anything and get much attention. The Sony players are not cheap enough to undercut Shuffle in any way.
 
cybamerc said:
It's not out yet but it's expected to cost DKK 3500 here in Denmark (approx. €470). It's likely to retail for less in other parts of the world.

DKK 3500 = $627.00 US. Yikes. Even after the price drop here that's gonna be a pricey phone.
 
MD does not suck.
I don't know why so many people think MD was a failure. The format has been around for nearly 15 years, is STILL one of the best portable recording mediums, has evolved (albeit awkwardly) over time, and is still fricking stylish!

I hope Sony comes back.
The even bigger news was from yesterday, when the Sony CEO resigned and the first non-Japanese Sony Exec. took his place (poor Ken Kutaragi). There's gonna be some big changes at Sony in the coming year.

I miss being a Sony whore. Being an Apple whore is getting old.

PS: Shuffle sucks.

PS#2: Sony really needs to work on their product names.
Consumer electronics should not be named like Luxury automobiles.
 
Pochacco said:
MD does not suck.
I don't know why so many people think MD was a failure. The format has been around for nearly 15 years, is STILL one of the best portable recording mediums, has evolved (albeit awkwardly) over time, and is still fricking stylish!

I would say it is definitely a success on its technical merits, but it's certainly no smash commercial success.
 
Fight for Freeform said:
A simple comparison that could even be made into an ad...it's like comparing two cars, one with a crappy stereo, compared to one with an awesome system (heheh, remember SEGA's ad that had a drag race car vs. a Milkman's truck?). iPod's sound like this...Sony's sound like this...why get an mp3 player when it sounds like a tape player in the end? And then they should throw the iPod out a window from a skyscaper and ask it to fly. :P

:lol Ah, I miss Sega's ads...

I'm looking to get a 40 gig Lyra myself...not because it's the best player ever, but because I can get a ridiculously good deal for it. Hope to snag it by the end of the month.
 
Shinobi said:
:lol Ah, I miss Sega's ads...

I'm looking to get a 40 gig Lyra myself...not because it's the best player ever, but because I can get a ridiculously good deal for it. Hope to snag it by the end of the month.

I hear so-so things about the Lyra. You may just want to track down a 40GB Creative Nomad Zen. It'll have better audio quality and you can find them pretty cheap after rebates...
 
Nice! Has that stealth LCD look:

http://news.sel.sony.com/digitalimages/images/2005/47/70/174770.jpg

^Beware, 2677 x 1874 image of the player.

http://sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/jump_pages/flashplayer/index.html

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NW-E507 Network Walkman™ Digital Music Player
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• 1GB1 Built-In Memory / Stores 695 Songs2
• Built in FM Tuner
• 3-Line EL (Organic Electroluminescence) Display
• Quick Battery Charge (3 Minute Charge = 3 Hours Playback)
• Up to 50 Hours3 of Playback Life with Rechargeable Embedded Battery
• Plays Back MP3/ATRAC3®ATRAC3plus™ Audio Formats

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NW-E405 Network Walkman™ Digital Music Player
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• 512MB1 Built-In Memory / Stores 345 Songs2
• 3-Line EL (Organic Electroluminescence) Display
• Quick Battery Charge (3 Minute Charge = 3 Hours Playback)
• Up to 50 Hours3 of Playback Life with Rechargeable Embedded Battery
• Plays Back MP3/ATRAC3®/ATRAC3plus™ Audio Formats

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NW-E505 Network Walkman™ Digital Music Player
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• 512MB1 Built-In Memory / Stores 345 Songs2
• Built in FM Tuner
• 3-Line EL (Organic Electroluminescence) Display
• Quick Battery Charge (3 Minute Charge = 3 Hours Playback)
• Up to 50 Hours3 of Playback Life with Rechargeable Embedded Battery
• Plays Back MP3/ATRAC3®/ATRAC3plus™ Audio Formats

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NW-E407 Network Walkman™ Digital Music Player
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• 1GB1 Built-In Memory / Stores 695 Songs2
• 3-Line EL (Organic Electroluminescence) Display
• Quick Battery Charge (3 Minute Charge = 3 Hours Playback)
• Up to 50 Hours3 of Playback Life with Rechargeable Embedded Battery
• Plays Back MP3/ATRAC3®/ATRAC3plus™ Audio Formats
 
Wow! :D

Hot design.. Any info on the price?
Such a small player would be nice, when Im not using my PSP for music. ;)
 
Forsete said:
Wow! :D

Hot design.. Any info on the price?
Such a small player would be nice, when Im not using my PSP for music. ;)

Dude, it's right in the first post!

A 512-megabyte model costs $130 and a 1-gigabyte model costs $180. Models with an FM tuner each cost $20 more. By comparison, Apple's shuffle is priced at $99 for 512 MB and $149 for 1 GB. The models will be available in May.

A second set of players, set to ship later this month, are roundish, with a diameter slightly larger than a poker chip. They run on AAA batteries, which Sony says will give the user 70 hours of playback time on a single battery. The prices range from $90 for 256 MB of memory to $150 for 1 GB of memory.

A third design is water-resistant, costing $130 for 256 MB of memory.
 
YES I LOVE SONY! Not that I'd buy any of these, but I'm glad to see them finally come around from the damn Atrac-3 format. IMO if MDs could use .mp3s directly, I think they'd be a hell of a lot more popular right now if priced properly.

One day I'll end up buying an mp3 player, but I'm going to stick with my MZ-N10...seeing as to how I bought it full price when it launched :lol I got the JPN remote though which isn't in production anymore (twice the res as a regular stick remote ^_^).
 
miyuru said:
IMO if MDs could use .mp3s directly, I think they'd be a hell of a lot more popular right now if priced properly.
The new Hi-MD players natively use MP3's now in addtion to AAC. $7 for a blank 1GB Hi-MD rock.
 
Defensor said:
The new Hi-MD players natively use MP3's now in addtion to AAC. $7 for a blank 1GB Hi-MD rock.

This is true, BUT, if I wanted 10 GB, that's $70 + the cost of the player. Still, I do prefer to pick up the new OLED Hi-MD, even though I have a mini iPod, because of the ability to record, which will come in handy when I go back to grad school, and IF I feel like mixing up again...
 
I think what I meant to say was if Sony had supported .mp3 natively on MDs back when NetMD was released, they'd be in a much better position here. If guys like us ran these idiot companies, maybe they'd actually get somewhere. Your average consumer doesn't give a crap that he or she is using Atrac-3, it won't convince them that Sony is the bomb. Hell, they won't even know what Atrac-3 is. What they will know is that it sucks that it takes forever to get music on their MD while their friend's iPod does it in a snap.

It's too late IMO for MDs to really take off again with Hi-MD (to an iPod level of success).
 
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