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Sony: Xbox 360 = Xbox version 1.5 (Ouch)
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seismologist
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DCharlie said:
well they delivered with the psp. so well see.
Norse
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The way I see it, xbox is 1.5 times better than current ps2.....so 1.5 + .5 since the 360 is only .5 above current xbox = 2.0 So if sony ps3 is 2x better than ps2, 360=ps3
Any way...looks to me that all the guy from sony was saying is that the 360 is xbox 1.5 only because it wont have blue ray support out of box......
Sony hasnt shipped blue ray ps3 yet, and dont be suprised if they drop that before they launch.
Any way...looks to me that all the guy from sony was saying is that the 360 is xbox 1.5 only because it wont have blue ray support out of box......
Sony hasnt shipped blue ray ps3 yet, and dont be suprised if they drop that before they launch.
monkeymagic
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Izzy said:
Many people point to the 6 month launch gap between X360 and PS3 to negate any such difference.
They seem to forget the billions Sony have spent on CELL R&D although they conveniently remember them in any 'SONY ARE TEH D0000MED' threads
Sony have learnt from their mistakes last gen:
- Better developer tools (thanks to involvement of IBM and nvidia)
- nvidia GPU (better output all round)
I don't think having the weakest console last gen was a mistake, that is just the consequence of launching first (as Microsoft will soon discover) but the GS output has always hindered PS2 games throughout its life.
Other than that the PS2 was a great technical achievement given that 5 years later games like Gran Turismo 4 can still stand up to games like Forza on much more powerful hardware. I can only imagine what PS2 games with the output of an nvidia GPU would have looked like
I also happen to think the PS3 will be a great technical achievement belying its 6 months hardware lead.
It's not a matter of months but of costs.
If Sony wanted it could put 2 Cells in the PS3 thus making the leap between the two consoles looks like generational.Of course Sony won't do this because of costs,but the problem is not technological.Sony has the technology that could potentially offer a generational leap over Microsoft.
If Sony wanted it could put 2 Cells in the PS3 thus making the leap between the two consoles looks like generational.Of course Sony won't do this because of costs,but the problem is not technological.Sony has the technology that could potentially offer a generational leap over Microsoft.
Smiles and Cries
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stewy said:
^Fact!
Anyway... I think MS is trying too hard with the 360, starting with the number 360 to top PS3
and the console design... I'm not sure if I like it or hate is its just... strange.
MS = OLD NINTENDO
SONY = SAME OLD HYPE TRAIN
NINTENDO = NEW SEXY
you can quote me on that
Smiles and Cries
Member
No Nintendo ended to numbers game at the N64
That is the real name of the revolution, you can tattoo that on my piggy bank
Jacobi said:
That is the real name of the revolution, you can tattoo that on my piggy bank
Maybe they'll give in to the old fanboy stuff and go with N5. :lol
I really don't see how MS could be stupid enough to allow a 'huge' difference in power between nextgen systems. I know how amazing cell is and everything, but I think it will really come down to how well ATI's VPU(s) matches up with Nvidia's VPU. Shader/post processing will be a factor in making realistic graphics nextgen, and the architecture which allows for the most features at the highest speed with the best programability should make a huge difference. At least we're close to finding out about this crap.
I really don't see how MS could be stupid enough to allow a 'huge' difference in power between nextgen systems. I know how amazing cell is and everything, but I think it will really come down to how well ATI's VPU(s) matches up with Nvidia's VPU. Shader/post processing will be a factor in making realistic graphics nextgen, and the architecture which allows for the most features at the highest speed with the best programability should make a huge difference. At least we're close to finding out about this crap.
Bluemercury
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Oogami said:
i dont think johnny nighttrain is just speculating like you said but hey whatever........
Smiles and Cries
Member
pestul said:
What so funny...
N5XY = Nintendo NEW 5EXY
sp0rsk said:
FF:TSW, or maybe cg from spiderman 2 or something might be more likely
(REALTIME cutdown versions, of course, but made to look as close to the original as possible). Sony is pushing the whole "covergence of game/movie creation" thing with cell, so even as just a demo for that i could see them doing something like that (and not meant to be indicative of game scenarios).CrimsonSkies
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I don't know who's sadder. PR folks or posters who worship their BS.
From a thread where MS took digs at Nintendo and Sony. There were no 'digs' the other way in the OP. The 'digs' at MS, in this thread, were scoffed at by you. Which would make you a hypocrite as well, seeing as it contradicts your 'all round'.bitwise said:
Why would I want to talk about buzzwords? They are the Jedi minds tricks of this world, manufactured as hype for the weak minded.
Xenon
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I think the thing people always forget is something I call "console development equilibrium"
No matter how good these systems are the designers always cut corners to save money from one thing on the machine and put it towards something else. In the end we always get a console that is in some way lacking. Right now the PS3 might do all of what Sony has said, but a lot could happen in a year. The PS3 Sony has in mind now and the PS3 we get could be two completely different animals.
No matter how good these systems are the designers always cut corners to save money from one thing on the machine and put it towards something else. In the end we always get a console that is in some way lacking. Right now the PS3 might do all of what Sony has said, but a lot could happen in a year. The PS3 Sony has in mind now and the PS3 we get could be two completely different animals.
Xenon said:
True, but one can be reasonably hopeful that, at least in terms of specification, whatever they announce at E3 will be pretty much what you get in the box (drive format aside). They didn't cut back anything from the PS2's original spec to final production models (though MS and Nintendo both did make changes, which illustrates the difficulty of calling your final spec sometimes).
Zelda-Bitch
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Seeing how this next run may be make or break for Nintendo. I think it's a safe bet to assume they will have something special. So, it's the Revolution and PS3 for me next gen. I want the next level in entertainment, not just updated graphics.
bye bye microsoft.
bye bye microsoft.
Zelda-Bitch said:Seeing how this next run may be make or break for Nintendo. I think it's a safe bet to assume they will have something special. So, it's the Revolution and PS3 for me next gen. I want the next level in entertainment, not just updated graphics.
bye bye microsoft.
Zelda-Bitch
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I call it intuition.
Pedigree Chum
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Zelda-Bitch said:I call it intuition.
Nintendo is going to lose marketshare hand over fist next gen, it's going to be much worse than this gen. MS will gain marketshare (at Nintendo's expense). And Sony will keep their marketshare (around 60-70%).
Zelda-Bitch said:Seeing how this next run may be make or break for Nintendo. I think it's a safe bet to assume they will have something special. So, it's the Revolution and PS3 for me next gen. I want the next level in entertainment, not just updated graphics.
bye bye microsoft.
I'm glad you can make this descision without knowing anything about system capabilities, games, or confirmed hardware. If only we had more people like you.
Oh wait, we do. they're called fanboys.
maximum360
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Wow, the Sony cronies are out in full force today.
What else did you expect Sony to say? M$ and Nintendo will also take jabs at the other whenever the chance presents itself.
The PS3 will no doubt benefit from a Blu Ray/HD DVD hybrid drive for HD DVD movies but to make the claim that Xbox 360 is Xbox 1.5 is pretty stupid (but common sense from a business point of view). Do the best you can to belittle the competition. The PS3 will not blow away the Xbox360 by any means as we've discussed in many other threads. Anyone who believes that needs to take off his fanboy glasses. In every gen, regardless of the specs and differences in parts of the different consoles, no one system has ever blown away the other. While some distinct features and advantages may be noticeable, they've never been anything but minor. The same will hold true this round as well.
What else did you expect Sony to say? M$ and Nintendo will also take jabs at the other whenever the chance presents itself.
The PS3 will no doubt benefit from a Blu Ray/HD DVD hybrid drive for HD DVD movies but to make the claim that Xbox 360 is Xbox 1.5 is pretty stupid (but common sense from a business point of view). Do the best you can to belittle the competition. The PS3 will not blow away the Xbox360 by any means as we've discussed in many other threads. Anyone who believes that needs to take off his fanboy glasses. In every gen, regardless of the specs and differences in parts of the different consoles, no one system has ever blown away the other. While some distinct features and advantages may be noticeable, they've never been anything but minor. The same will hold true this round as well.
super-heated plasma
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maximum360 said:
STOP IT! How dare you bring sense to this thread!
SolidSnakex
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maximum360 said:
Try telling that to Xbox fans when it comes to PS2 vs. Xbox comparisons.
Seriously XBox fans take off the glasses. The PS3 will be a much superior piece of tech than the XBox 1.5 (love Sony's marketing). Last gen the PS2 had a much harder learning curve, but Sony is doing things right this time.
HD-DVD/Blue-Ray/and the real improvement...
They are using a real graphic chip and tools developed by NVidia to make certain the system's graphic power is utilized. Any fan of gaming should look forward to the PS3 with all the advantages it will have.
XBox 1.5 is looking more and more like another Dreamcast every day.. E3 should be very interesting. The wild card is Nintendo. Have they learned from their mistakes yet?
HD-DVD/Blue-Ray/and the real improvement...
They are using a real graphic chip and tools developed by NVidia to make certain the system's graphic power is utilized. Any fan of gaming should look forward to the PS3 with all the advantages it will have.
XBox 1.5 is looking more and more like another Dreamcast every day.. E3 should be very interesting. The wild card is Nintendo. Have they learned from their mistakes yet?
Bluemercury
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Pedigree Chum said:
Maybe........maybe not......unless of course you have a crytal ball....
bitwise said:everyone wins here. its sounding like MS, Sony and Nintendo are all going to give it their best shot at being #1 next gen.
imagine the amazing games we're gonna get out of this, on all 3 systems
Noooo! This sounds like a defeatist attitude before E3 even starts! :lol
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
I totally agree with this....
I believe all three console makers are bustin' their arses to give us the best product they can at a reasonable cost...
One huge advantage SCEI has is that they manufacture all/most of their chips in-house, which affords them design and cost advantages that would be much more difficult to implement from someone like Nintendo or Microsoft..
From what I have seen, the Xbox 360 hardware design is almost taking a GameCube-like approach; well balanced and nimble performance for the price...
IMO, I think MS has done a great job with X360 because I expected PS3 would be a GIGANTIC advance over whatever else was out there......it still seems to be the most powerful system on paper, but the gap could have been much wider, no doubt...
As some have already stated, the development of CELL was a totally clean sheet design in which money was no object.....SCEI has invested god knows how many Billion$ towards the design and manufacturer of PS3/CELL and they employed some of best designers @ IBM, who have, arguably, some of the best minds in the world at designing this kind of thing...
These guys are no dummies...
At any rate, I suspect that, big jump or no, there will be some fantastic X360 games that will force us to buy the system (PD0 and Halo 3, to name just two) and I don't suspect more advanced tech from PS3 will be a good enough subsitute for these titles...