ComputerBlue
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Once enough people subscribe they could easily lock the online portion as well. If other publishers follow, no thanks.
Sony's response to EA Access Subscription plan
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Once enough people subscribe they could easily lock the online portion as well. If other publishers follow, no thanks.
Stare-Bear
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Until you stop paying for it. Then your $50 discounted game is worthless.
As of right now, of course not... but 2-3 years from now, when it can and I believe ultimately will become required to access certain aspects of games, dlc, and so on...
Just keep proving to them you want to pay them so you can continue to pay them for DLC and the like... they won't take advantage of you at all.
So does MS. Apart from the demos anyway.
Seriously, EA just wants in on the subscription pie, and I don't blame them, but this just doesn't seem like the most thought out idea on a platform with an already better service being offered.
Wasn't that example spending $5 (since that's the minimum -- one month)?
$5 would give early access to a new retail game on top of the 10% discount which would mean having the game earlier for $1 less. Seems like a no brainer for anyone interested in an EA game (who doesn't buy many EA games per year) that doesn't mind getting the game digitally.
oh god... im crying on the inside.
Scully Scully Scoo
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u cant be this naive. is the game complete when they give users 'early access'? of course, so why the hell cant they just release it on that date? oh because they want to sell u the illusion of early access through ea season ticket. come on this is blatantly obvious
well since u like options here is 1 that is still open to u, sell ur ps4 and buy xbox. then u are free to give ea all the money u want.
have u seen the digital prices in europe? u are not saving anything here + getting less value from xbl/ps+ because ea are taking their business else where soon to be followed by activision/2k/ubisoft etc.
Quadraphonic
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Stare-Bear
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Yet when I unsubscribe I can still play my discounted games. Try that with the EA service...
Spottiettiedop
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Except he is strictly digital, nothing lost on that front. And he has a "Vault" of games to choose from. See it can work out well for some gamers.
What about spending $5 to get that $6 discount ALONG WITH full access to the games in the Vault AND two hour trials of upcoming games?
Not a bad deal for $5 if you use the discount for a game you were going to buy anyways.
RoslindaleOne
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I honestly don't know what the outcome of all this is going to be.I'm not interested in what EA is offering with this, so I'll pass on it. Although, I would like to see what other publishers could offer me. If they do a paywall for game content in the future, I won't buy it.
Yeah, why wouldn't they? Like I said we don't know where this is going yet. If they did do what you think then I don't want any part of it.
Canis lupus
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Is u joking? Are EA games 60 bucks on US PSN? EA charge 70 euro here in Europe. With that measly discount you still end up paying more than retail.
I usually stay clear from any and all DLC... except for Undead Nightmare and Left Behind. Still, at the end of the day, I think the idea of DLC has been utterly abused and it is permeating games at all levels, and this is to the point that it is becoming increasingly difficult to ignore it, or to enjoy my games without having to think about how the game would be so much better if half of everything wasn't locked behind DLC.
Why would that be different? PS+ free games only work while you're PS+. The discounted games are "purchased" outright. It's the same deal, no?
Well, you'll just have to hope that people like myself are outvoted here then. Because I don't make all my choices based on scenarios that may happen in the future. I remember when Steam first started up, and many people hated it and were sure Valve was looking to fuck everything up for everyone, just to ensure they saw a larger cut of each game sale. That nightmare ended surprisingly well...
Is the pattern "people who actually have access to the service"?
As I mentioned before, the PS3 saw plenty of great PS+ content. However all that stuff means absolutely nothing in a comparison with EA Access, as EA Access is full-priced offering retail games from the current generation. What's the current tally on retail PS+ games almost a year into the generation now? If I want to play BF4 digitally today, without having to buy it for £50, this is my only option... and it's an option that there is currently no equivalent for from either GwG or PS+. If those services were currently offering stuff like Assassin's Creed 4, Ryse, Killzone: Shadowfall and so on, then I'd be able to see your point. They're not though, and so EA Access is already far better for me personally.
EDIT: Also, if you don't think the price-per-download EA sees from PS+ doesn't see EA losing out compared to seeing a recurring $5 (half of the entire PS+ share) for themselves... then your math is probably very flawed.
xAngelSerranox
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They could retire games but it would serve no purpose. To me this seems like they realize that once a game game hits bargain bins they receive no compensation. Why leave all that money on the table for Gamestop on games they invested in? Removing a game just opens up the market for second hand purchase which I think is what they are trying to combat.
bye bye game happens...
joecanada
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yes they would . They let MS do all sorts of things on their own that may or may not increase marketshare. I just said that. I'm sure Sony expected Titanfall to increase MS marketshare, and it probably did, and they "let" that stay exclusive didn't they?
the point is, they don't feel it's worth it. so it's dead in the water as far as sony is concerned.
rob305
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Yup. $59.99. Switch to the US marketplace, use family sharing with a friend and you are at 21 per person. Day one. Oh wait, games come out 3 days before in the US. So you also get them earlier. #iamdigital
Of course you can play your discounted games if you cancel, like PS+
They are giving you a 10% rebate, it is not tied to the service afterwards
After the 180 the ps crowd did when it came to having online gaming behind a paywall, I'm not surprised some are defending this. Just like I wouldn't be suprised seeing the very same people praise sony if they allowed it on ps4.
Atleast for now, the choice is there for those who want it on xbone.
Atleast for now, the choice is there for those who want it on xbone.
TheOhrenberger.
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Welcome to games as a service.
I don't think EA would lock out a large part of the market by making things exclusive to access which not everyone will use. I mean I think it would be pretty dumb to only sell your expansion to a smaller portion of your audience rather than your whole audience. Will access members get the expansions first? That will probably be a thing that happens (it already happens with BF premium).
Why not. It is my money. Would Sony be happy to sell me their new games with 10% off ?. Or will some one send me a $6 PSN code every time a game is released ?.
Hey.. Unicef says with 30c you can feed a kid for a day.
BlackBuzzard
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Never underestimate EA. They still don't put their games on Steam
spend $5 to save $6? I guess if you were going to buy the game anyways, but who is really that crazy to buy an EA game digitally?
I mean, you keep forgetting that they are trying to lock you into their ecosystem, that might be $5 now, but they want you to give them money in a consistent fashion.
LookAtMeGo
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This comment brought to you by the Xbox One. The ONLY console where choice is king!
I know, I was thinking about that while purchasing Portal and Half Life on Origin the other day
TheOhrenberger.
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Fair point.
I really dont mind doing it. In the long run it is probably worth it. Sony is going back to its old ways. I got burnt with Vita, should have gone with 3DS from day1.
ScatheZombie
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According to their confusingly worded TOS, it sounds like you might actually lose access to your discount-purchased games as well.
Discounted DLC is definitely tied to your subscription.
ComputerBlue
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Welcome to games as a service.
I could easily see them locking out online. Expansions though, probably not since they could still make money off those who don't have a subscription if it's SP content.
Seems to me that this breaks down into two arguments. One in stating that EA's offer isn't good value and the other in that EA's offer is bad for consumers and the industry as a whole.
'Value' isn't something that you can determine for someone else, plain and simple. 'Value' is the attribute the individual consumer applies to something when compared against their wants and needs. You can't tell someone that something has no value and think that this broad statement should apply to everyone as it won't I could buy some 'magic' beans from someone down at the shops for $500 and if I thought it was worth the purchase then that is for ME to decide. Hell even the shopkeeper may be laughing at me but that's MY problem and not yours.
All the speculation about what is or isn't good about the industry is purely opinion. We can make educated guesses based upon how the industry has performed in the past and comparing it against other models but this business is unique and we are moving into uncharted territories. I am sick of all the doom and gloom associated with gaming lately. Can't we just try and have a little bit of optimism and go back to enjoying our community and hobby?
'Value' isn't something that you can determine for someone else, plain and simple. 'Value' is the attribute the individual consumer applies to something when compared against their wants and needs. You can't tell someone that something has no value and think that this broad statement should apply to everyone as it won't I could buy some 'magic' beans from someone down at the shops for $500 and if I thought it was worth the purchase then that is for ME to decide. Hell even the shopkeeper may be laughing at me but that's MY problem and not yours.
All the speculation about what is or isn't good about the industry is purely opinion. We can make educated guesses based upon how the industry has performed in the past and comparing it against other models but this business is unique and we are moving into uncharted territories. I am sick of all the doom and gloom associated with gaming lately. Can't we just try and have a little bit of optimism and go back to enjoying our community and hobby?
GeordieMark
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Come on man. Do you think games are released the second they are finished now? Nothing is getting delayed. That's a garbage argument. You sound paranoid.
Your suggestion to sell the PS4 and buy and xbox if you want EA Access is also stupid. He might be perfectly happy with the PS4, but would also like to take advantage of EA's offer. We don't all want the same things, be it the same kind of games, or how we purchase those games. For that reason, options are good.
The only part of your post that I agree with is that digital prices in Europe are ridiculous. the reason for that is that both Sony and MS know that they still need support from brick and mortar retailers. Undercutting them is not in their interests.
DarthWalden
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I get that people are going to be cynical but it doesn't really make any sense to lock dlc behind a pay wall. That is just preventing people from buying it.
Also it severely undermines Xblg if EA decides to charge for online on top of Xblg so it makes zero sense for Microsoft to let that happen
This feels borderline tin foil hat
Also it severely undermines Xblg if EA decides to charge for online on top of Xblg so it makes zero sense for Microsoft to let that happen
This feels borderline tin foil hat
I suppose my Steam copies of Mirror's Edge, Burnout Paradise, Dead Space, Dead Space 3, Crysis 2, Medal of Honor & Command and Conquer: Red Alert 3 do not really exist even though I am viewing them right now in my Steam library.
Weird.
iNvid02
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well yeah because they have a competing service on PC (an open platform).
trying to do the same thing on these closed platforms would not work.
spend $5 to save $6? I guess if you were going to buy the game anyways, but who is really that crazy to buy an EA game digitally?
I mean, you keep forgetting that they are trying to lock you into their ecosystem, that might be $5 now, but they want you to give them money in a consistent fashion.
You are being deliberately obtuse. First you claim $30 to save 41. Now you acknowledge you can spend $5 to save $6 but also leave out the Vault games plus the two hour free trials. Like I said, if there is a game you were going to buy anyways that is not bad for $5.
Honestly feel like that will be the case, since the user base is almost half the size of the competitor, and I don't see this turning it around. At the same time, I don't feel they need a home run out the gate, even a small fraction of the xbox user base will net EA a great deal of business, in that it creates a digital ecosystem where they can dictate your usage of the software, and to find trust in EA in this matter after all their BS is what is most perplexing to me.
Let's not go into comparing Valve and EA... there is a clear distinction between these two companies due to their history, even if people were cautious of Valve when they announced Steam, they certainly did not have the same type of baggage as EA. I also think history is a great indicator as to what the future holds, and EA's history speaks volumes.
spend $5 to save $6? I guess if you were going to buy the game anyways, but who is really that crazy to buy an EA game digitally?
I mean, you keep forgetting that they are trying to lock you into their ecosystem, that might be $5 now, but they want you to give them money in a consistent fashion.
If you weren't going to buy the game anyway, then why are we having this conversation?
Also, I'm 100% digital on both Xbox One and PS4. That includes EA's Titanfall, which I actually got cheaper than retail by purchasing it from the US store instead of the UK one. Please don't try to decide how I should spend my money. If there's nothing from EA Access that I still feel like playing next month, I'll cancel it. It would have then cost me £4 to try out four games I currently don't own.
BlackBuzzard
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Yes. When publishers aren't trying to bend us over every time we try and trust them. Then there can be optimism, this is EA ffs.
I think the original plan for Sony was similar to this EA deal with MS. Sony didn't have a console OS like Xbox but wanted devs and publishers to create their own stores/playgrounds with their own chat/party/subscription models.
It didn't catch on, people wanted a unified OS. Sony follows suite, makes a great OS and worth while subscription model and now everyone wants a multi-tier subscription model not connected to the base OS subscription model and want to pay for that model too.
Sony's counter should be simple for EA to strive for a good relationship. No game on the subscription model that has not been yet released on PS4. (Sans games like Titanfall that were not listed for release on PS4, but games like Plants vs Zombies 2 would fall under that rule)
As for the PR statement? Bad damage control, need to say something since they have been good act reacting this generation, they are in talking phases with EA and are using this to leverage a deal or gauge consumer feedback.
Either way I don't care, not paying for another subscription. I suspended my FFXIV subscription for a while too.
I resigned up for gamefly, that subscription will get me some games other than just EA titles.
It didn't catch on, people wanted a unified OS. Sony follows suite, makes a great OS and worth while subscription model and now everyone wants a multi-tier subscription model not connected to the base OS subscription model and want to pay for that model too.
Sony's counter should be simple for EA to strive for a good relationship. No game on the subscription model that has not been yet released on PS4. (Sans games like Titanfall that were not listed for release on PS4, but games like Plants vs Zombies 2 would fall under that rule)
As for the PR statement? Bad damage control, need to say something since they have been good act reacting this generation, they are in talking phases with EA and are using this to leverage a deal or gauge consumer feedback.
Either way I don't care, not paying for another subscription. I suspended my FFXIV subscription for a while too.
I resigned up for gamefly, that subscription will get me some games other than just EA titles.
Scully Scully Scoo
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wtf are u talking about? that ea season ticket thing gives users '3 days 'Early Access' to the full game' are u telling me ea couldnt have possibly released the game 3 days earlier? or are they giving users the illusion of early access just to sell people the season ticket. the answer is obvious
u wanted option u got options. selling ur ps4 is a option just like ea access is a option
Memorabilia
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Although I agree with you on the general idea of choice, I think EA's track record speaks for itself so I understand skepticism of this idea from a consumer perspective. Also, its hardly surprising from Sony's perspective since EA would be cannibalizing from the potential existing pool of games on PS+, expecting Sony to handle support for titles, and offer very little financial incentive. I mean, realistically, how much of the $5 per user would Sony receive? And doing this would lower the perceived value of PS+ since it would mean no chance for EA games unless gamers pony up the extra $5 per month.
What I'm trying to say is... you're not getting those savings for nothing. You have to pay them to save... what savings you end up is really marginal, at best. And like I said, you'd have to be crazy to buy an EA title digitally.
I keed
Not to mention the fact that he (?) harps on the fact EA wants to lock us into their ecosystem which is exactly what Sony and Microsoft do for their respective subscription services.
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