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ronito said:
Am I the only one who has noticed a huge lack of media attention to this? This could be rather large issue, and everyone's mum on it....odelay...
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Heh, this is part of the reason I said I wouldn't hold my breath...
 
ronito said:
Am I the only one who has noticed a huge lack of media attention to this? This could be rather large issue, and everyone's mum on it....odelay...
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Right now, it's hearsay. When people do actually come out and say it's such-and-such, then I'd expect the media to pick it up. If they carry it now, they would practically be asking for conservatives to scream "liberal media".
 
Hammy said:
Right now, it's hearsay. When people do actually come out and say it's such-and-such, then I'd expect the media to pick it up. If they carry it now, they would practically be asking for conservatives to scream "liberal media".
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It's not like this story isn't getting coverage, but it's not going to be blasted on the front page, or have 24/7 play on cable, until something real actually comes out of it.
 
APF said:
It's not like this story isn't getting coverage, but it's not going to be blasted on the front page, or have 24/7 play on cable, until something real actually comes out of it.
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The other poster was talking about how the media should be doing heavy coverage of this. The lack of heavy coverage does not equal a lack of coverage. I caught a small article on Rove, but that was because Biden called out Rove to come clean.
 
Ruh roh...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8525978/site/newsweek

In a brief conversation with Rove, Cooper asked what to make of the flap over Wilson's criticisms. NEWSWEEK obtained a copy of the e-mail that Cooper sent his bureau chief after speaking to Rove. (The e-mail was authenticated by a source intimately familiar with Time's editorial handling of the Wilson story, but who has asked not to be identified because of the magazine's corporate decision not to disclose its contents.) Cooper wrote that Rove offered him a "big warning" not to "get too far out on Wilson." Rove told Cooper that Wilson's trip had not been authorized by "DCIA"—CIA Director George Tenet—or Vice President Dick Cheney. Rather, "it was, KR said, wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction] issues who authorized the trip." Wilson's wife is Plame, then an undercover agent working as an analyst in the CIA's Directorate of Operations counterproliferation division. (Cooper later included the essence of what Rove told him in an online story.) The e-mail characterizing the conversation continues: "not only the genesis of the trip is flawed an[d] suspect but so is the report. he [Rove] implied strongly there's still plenty to implicate iraqi interest in acquiring uranium fro[m] Niger... "
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While I would be shocked if Rove ever takes a fall for this, maybe the heat around this will force the White House to do something to end the cases against the reporters who refuse to disclose their informants....
 
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Photo of the day.
 
Rove ain't gonna take the fall. His defense, while utterly spurious, remains tenable; that he only observed that Joe Wilson's wife, not Valerie Plame specifically, was the undercover agent.
 
Drinky Crow said:
Rove ain't gonna take the fall. His defense, while utterly spurious, remains tenable; that he only observed that Joe Wilson's wife, not Valerie Plame specifically, was the undercover agent.
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well all the kids are into polygamy these days
 
Drinky Crow said:
Rove ain't gonna take the fall. His defense, while utterly spurious, remains tenable; that he only observed that Joe Wilson's wife, not Valerie Plame specifically, was the undercover agent.
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bob_arctor said:
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if instead Bush nominates Rove to the Supreme Court position. And then gives him a Medal Of Courage or something.
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Yup, that's right, I quoted myself. Remember Nightline "confirmed" this last week, yet they were the only news show that I've heard of to do so.
 
teiresias said:
Is mainstream media going to finally start paying attention?
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What mainstream media hasn't been reporting on this story? Since it involves journalists going to jail, they're pretty interested overall. The question is, is there anything to report on, and how interested are readers/viewers, really?

[EDIT: see the press briefing transcript if you think the press don't care; and Macam are you really fantisizing about why a government website isn't immediately updated? Come on.]
 
Will y'all stop with the mainstream media paranoia on this? Because of the nature of the investigation, there isn't much to report now besides speculation. If the special prosecutor indicts Rove it will be on the cover of Time and Newsweek.

And what the special prosecutor ultimately decides to do has absolutely nothing to do with how the media is reporting on this right now but whether he thinks he can get a conviction.
 
Not that two wrongs make a right in this kind of situation, and I don't know you personally so maybe you are not the kind of person to push speculation before fact.

That being said, I find the notion that we shouldn't discuss speculation in this situation horribly blind sided by paty lines. Again, two wrongs don't make a right, but if this was a democratic political strategist (like they have any of those), the Republican echo chamber would be all over it.
 
APF said:
[EDIT: see the press briefing transcript if you think the press don't care; and Macam are you really fantisizing about why a government website isn't immediately updated? Come on.]
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Who's fantasizing? I'm just making a comment since usually when I dig through the press briefings, the video is there. Lay off.
 
Guileless said:
Will y'all stop with the mainstream media paranoia on this? Because of the nature of the investigation, there isn't much to report now besides speculation.
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Yes, and? The mainstream media thrives on speculation, and this story has more importance than conspiracy theories about the latest missing white girl.
 
Drinky Crow said:
Rove ain't gonna take the fall. His defense, while utterly spurious, remains tenable; that he only observed that Joe Wilson's wife, not Valerie Plame specifically, was the undercover agent.
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Off the record, I'd like to indicate that Karl Rove's wife's husband is a dick.
 
Guileless said:
Will y'all stop with the mainstream media paranoia on this? Because of the nature of the investigation, there isn't much to report now besides speculation.
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And as we know, that kept the media from jumping on the husband of the runaway bride.
 
Holy shit, the McClellan conference from today is priceless. :lol :lol

I don't know what's funnier, watching him squirm under the questions, or John Roberts, David Gregory, and Terry Moran absolutely basking in it.
 
xsarien said:
Holy shit, that McClellan conference today is priceless. :lol :lol

I don't know what's funnier, watching him squirm under the questions, or John Roberts absolutely basking in it.
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If you liked that one, here's another snippet from MSNBC that goes over the story, that also adds in footage from the McClellan's press briefings two years ago about accountability on the leak.

I haven't seen the media this angry since the first Cessna flight into restricted airspace a few months back and since the administration's scapegoating of Newsweek over the Koran flushing article. Of course, amusing as it is, Wonkette makes the obvious point that if the media wants answers, they should aim higher than McClellan. Still makes for some amusing watching though.
 
Q Who is Karl Rove as it relates to this administration?

MR. McCLELLAN: Do you have questions on another topic?

Q No, no, no, no. Who is Karl Rove as it relates to this current administration?

MR. McCLELLAN: I appreciate the question, April. I think I've responded.
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LMAO!! :lol
 
It's a grand jury investigation with enforced secrecy that has lasted a year. Once the prosecutor decides what to do there will be wall-to-wall news coverage of all of it. There is no conspiracy to prevent reporting on it by shadowy forces. Relax.
 
I just saw today's news conference on CNN, it was more of the same evasiveness by the communications guy. CNN talked about it for 20 minutes and showed Kerry and Hillary saying Rove should be fired.
 
Q Who is Karl Rove as it relates to this administration?

MR. McCLELLAN: Do you have questions on another topic?

Q No, no, no, no. Who is Karl Rove as it relates to this current administration?

MR. McCLELLAN: I appreciate the question, April. I think I've responded.
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MIMIC said:
LMAO!! :lol
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:lol That is priceless, it reads like something out of The Simpsons.
 
Guileless said:
I just saw today's news conference on CNN, it was more of the same evasiveness by the communications guy. CNN talked about it for 20 minutes and showed Kerry and Hillary saying Rove should be fired.
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Yup, he should be fired, as Scottie boy has stated previously. Amazing, isn't it, that not one person inside the Bush administration had any inkling that Rove was involved, since what, the last 2 years or so? They sure must have been completely blind-sided by these recent revelations. It's a wonder they can find their own asses when they wipe let alone wiping out world terrorism. But hey, he didn't really "out" Plame anyway, right? He only mentioned her in some obscure way as to allow only a Batman-like sleuth to deduce her identity. No harm, no foul, though Judy Miller would probably beg to differ.
 
Looks like Mr. McLellan is talking a little more (didn't see this in the transcript):

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White House expresses confidence in Rove

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House broke its silence and said on Tuesday that
President Bush continued to have confidence in his top political adviser, Karl Rove, despite his involvement in a scandal over the leak of the identity of a
CIA agent.

"Any individual who works here at the White House has the president's confidence. They wouldn't be working here if they didn't have the president's confidence," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters in answer to a question.

McClellan had previously refused to say whether Bush still had confidence in Rove in two days of pointed questioning. He said the White House was asked to remain silent by prosecutors investigating who leaked the identify of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame.

Bush had pledged to dismiss any leakers in the case, which is being investigated by a special prosecutor.

Plame is the wife of a former U.S. diplomat, Joseph Wilson, and her name was given to reporters and published in the media after Wilson publicly criticized the Bush administration's handling of the
Iraq war.

Several prominent Republicans rallied around Rove, the key architect of Bush's two presidential election victories, after some Democrats in Congress called for him to be fired.

The president remained silent. In an Oval Office meeting with the prime minister of Singapore, Bush did not respond to a reporter's shouted question about whether he intended to dismiss Rove.

Some Democrats have urged Bush to sideline Rove by suspending his access to classified information.

McClellan brushed aside these suggestions, saying: "There are a number of people at the White House that have various levels of security clearance and I'm confident that those individuals have the appropriate security clearance."

McClellan refused to discuss the issue in detail. "I don't want to do anything to jeopardize the investigation," he said. He added: "And just because I'm not commenting on a continuing investigation doesn't mean you should read anything into it beyond that."

The White House came under increasing pressure this week to explain Rove's role in the case after reports that Rove was one of the secret sources who spoke to Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper about Plame and her husband. Rove's lawyer was quoted as saying his client did not mention Plame by name.

Faced with jail if he did not discuss his sources, Cooper agreed last week to testify in the investigation. New York Times reporter Judith Miller refused to testify about sources she spoke to on the story and was jailed.

Ken Mehlman, chairman of the
Republican National Committee, defended Rove against what he dismissed as "blatant partisan political attacks."

Sen. Rick Santorum (news, bio, voting record) of Pennsylvania, a member of the Republican leadership, said, "I don't see any evidence that he (Rove) violated the law."

A top Senate Republican aide said, "I expect Rove to stay -- unless the special prosecutor steps forward and says he did violate the law."

McClellan has refused to address apparently conflicting statements issued by the White House. In September and October 2003, McClellan rejected as "ridiculous" any suggestion that Rove was involved in the Plame leak.

When asked at an Oct. 10, 2003, briefing whether Rove and two other White House aides had ever told any reporter that Plame worked for the CIA, McClellan said: "I spoke with those individuals... and those individuals assured me they were not involved in this... the leaking of classified information."
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Al Franken was skewering McLellan today. It was hilarious. The reporter who was calling him on his bullshit was spot-on.

btw is it spelled "McLellan" or "McClellan"?
 
TheOMan said:
Looks like Mr. McLellan is talking a little more (didn't see this in the transcript):

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More bullshit. I'm surprised that Mehlman wasn't quoted as "respectfully disagreeing" with pretty much everyone who isn't a jerk-ass Republican dick sucker. But hey, I'm just a bitter anti-Bush zealot that's letting my anger cloud my rationality. Obviously, Rove didn't do anything illegal. Unethical? No question. Deceptive? You bet. Immoral? Possibly. But it's not like we tried to impeach Clinton when he had his dick sucked, right?
 
brooklyngooner said:
Al Franken was skewering McLellan today. It was hilarious. The reporter who was calling him on his bullshit was spot-on.

btw is it spelled "McLellan" or "McClellan"?
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Good question...I've seen it both ways. Either way, he's not looking too smart right now. Also, his credibility is rapidly approaching zero. If I had more time and the inclination I'd whip up a limit formula to express this mathematically, but I can't be bothered.
 
Bush had pledged to dismiss any leakers in the case, which is being investigated by a special prosecutor.
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Great. Glad to know that there aren't any double-standards or anything.
 
If you took a shot every time McClellan said how much he "appreciated" a question, you'd be dead and your soul would be arrested for drunk and disorderly conduct.
 
From TPM Cafe:

Larry Johnson
From: TPMCafe Special Guests

The misinformation being spread in the media about the Plame affair is alarming and damaging to the longterm security interests of the United States. Republicans' talking points are trying to savage Joe Wilson and, by implication, his wife, Valerie Plame as liars. That is the truly big lie.

For starters, Valerie Plame was an undercover operations officer until outed in the press by Robert Novak. Novak's column was not an isolated attack. It was in fact part of a coordinated, orchestrated smear that we now know includes at least Karl Rove.

Valerie Plame was a classmate of mine from the day she started with the CIA. I entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985. All of my classmates were undercover--in other words, we told our family and friends that we were working for other overt U.S. Government agencies. We had official cover. That means we had a black passport--i.e., a diplomatic passport. If we were caught overseas engaged in espionage activity the black passport was a get out of jail free card.

Jul 13, 2005 -- 12:47:20 AM EST

A few of my classmates, and Valerie was one of these, became a non-official cover officer. That meant she agreed to operate overseas without the protection of a diplomatic passport. If caught in that status she would have been executed.

The lies by people like Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, and P. J. O'Rourke insist that Valerie was nothing, just a desk jockey. Yet, until Robert Novak betrayed her she was still undercover and the company that was her front was still a secret to the world. When Novak outed Valerie he also compromised her company and every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company and with her.

The Republicans now want to hide behind the legalism that "no laws were broken". I don't know if a man made law was broken but an ethical and moral code was breached. For the first time a group of partisan political operatives publically identified a CIA NOC. They have set a precendent that the next group of political hacks may feel free to violate.

They try to hide behind the specious claim that Joe Wilson "lied". Although Joe did not lie let's follow that reasoning to the logical conclusion. Let's use the same standard for the Bush Administration. Here are the facts. Bush's lies have resulted in the deaths of almost 1800 American soldiers and the mutilation of 12,000. Joe Wilson has not killed anyone. He tried to prevent the needless death of Americans and the loss of American prestige in the world.

But don't take my word for it, read the biased Senate intelligence committee report. Even though it was slanted to try to portray Joe in the worst possible light this fact emerges on page 52 of the report: According to the US Ambassador to Niger (who was commenting on Joe's visit in February 2002), "Ambassador Wilson reached the same conclusion that the Embassy has reached that it was highly unlikely that anything between Iraq and Niger was going on." Joe's findings were consistent with those of the Deputy Commander of the European Command, Major General Fulford.

The Republicans insist on the lie that Val got her husband the job. She did not. She was not a division director, instead she was the equivalent of an Army major. Yes it is true she recommended her husband to do the job that needed to be done but the decision to send Joe Wilson on this mission was made by her bosses.

At the end of the day, Joe Wilson was right. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It was the Bush Administration that pushed that lie and because of that lie Americans are dying. Shame on those who continue to slander Joe Wilson while giving Bush and his pack of liars a pass. That's the true outrage.
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Fishlips McLellan and that diabolical twerp Rove are easily my 2 most hated members of the Bush administration, and watching them collectively raked over the coals is the closest thing to sexual gratification that cable news can provide me.

Burn this fucker Rove at the stake and give me one more press conference, complete with some kind of dustup involving Dan Rather/McCain suckerpunching McLellan in his fishy fucking mug, and I'll die a completed human being.

I'm not spiritual at all, but if Rove fries for this, I'll be karma's biggest cheerleader..
 
Oh man, they're really clinging to that "He never mentioned her by name" bullshit. Wow. Just unreal. It's like being trapped in a bad sitcom where they keep repeating the same episode and no one even notices. The Daily Show was priceless last night--they had a running clock on how many times McCellan mentioned the phrase "Ongoing Investigation". We're talking like every 2 minutes or so, sometimes even less.

Also, remember what I said last week about what would happen to Rove:

He'll take an initial media beating only to eventually be commended for having the courage to give up his name so poor Matthew Cooper won't have to go to the Big House. Mark my words.

Also, how many of your friends even know about this? I can honestly say all of mine are totally clueless. *Shakes head* Stupid fucks...
 
Why on God's green-motherfucking Earth is no one on Novak's ass about this? I mean, he really only LEAKED THE GODDAMN info in the first place from his "high administration sources". I mean what the fuck? You'd think they'd at least bring him to court for a day to shoot the shit.
 
Sal Paradise Jr said:
Why on God's green-motherfucking Earth is no one on Novak's ass about this? I mean, he really only LEAKED THE GODDAMN info in the first place from his "high administration sources". I mean what the fuck? You'd think they'd at least bring him to court for a day to shoot the shit.
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I can't figure this one out. The only logical explanation is that he blew every and any one that even made mention of this. Perhaps they were even "on his ass" in some creative ways.

"What about Bob Fuckin' Novak??"
"Well, let's just say he sucks a mean dick."

That is the only possible answer, no conspiracy theory needed.
 
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