Speaking English or Dammit this is harder than writing it.

AlexBasch

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Sooo I just looked like a huge fool a few minutes ago. Called the producer of a show that will come to my town and I had to call him up and speak in english. Done that before, got to interview Steve Marker from Garbage once and he was really nice, but after learning how to (kinda) read and write the language, it's the speaking side of it that always terrifies me.

Back on topic, he was telling me the password to access a press-only side of his website and it took me a bit to figure it out, when he found out I wasn't really getting it, he asked me for my email and I had to spell it for him...only to find out that I was mentioning the wrong letters. Managed to get it right and again, he was really nice to me, but boy, I felt really embarassed about the whole thing.

I never got the chance to practice speaking a lot when I was growing up and now at almost fucking 29 years old I'm discovering I'm really bad at this language, which is one of the main reasons I don't like to play online games (even on GAF) because almost everyone is an American and I'm way to afraid too let my marvelous mexican accent to show up and messing up.

Anyone has a similar experience to share? I feel kinda bummed about this and will look for some courses so it won't happen again. :(
 
You are making more of an effort to learn english then most native speakers will make to learn any other languages

also mexican accents are badass, embrace it breh
 
I haven't had any similar experiences OP, but I always find people who can speak additional languages outside of their native tongue really impressive. I wouldn't beat yourself up about what happened my friend, it sounded like a really small thing which you just blew out of proportion in your head afterwards!

Like, I'm currently trying to learn Spanish...and I can't even imagine getting to a point where I could speak or write it on a level at which you're speaking and writing English right now.
 
reverse for me, I grew up speaking Spanish but living in Texas and speaking mostly English I am embarrassed when I have to speak my broken Spanish.
 
Speaking is hard. When I was in NYC earlier this year, I remember being surprised by how hard it was for me to speak, like, come on, I've been listening/reading/writing english for almost my whole life but suddenly I have no idea how words "sound"?. But so it was. As expected, I got really better at the end of my second week.

I think the conclussion is, It's very hard to master a language if you're not right there when you can practice it and it surrounds you constantly.
 
I don't like to play online games (even on GAF) because almost everyone is an American and I'm way to afraid too let my marvelous mexican accent to show up and messing up.

Anyone has a similar experience to share? I feel kinda bummed about this and will look for some courses so it won't happen again. :(

My spoken english was terrible until I landed a job that required me to work in full linguistic immersion for years (To the point that it now is my default language and I have issues with native tongue). Nobody has ever complained and they are surprised I sound so good despite messing the pronunciation for certain words, but voice chat in games still freaks me out.


Practise, practise, practise and with native speakers. Sadly not available to everybody :/
 
I can relate.

I read, write and listen English a lot every day, but when it's time to speak I kinda choke up because I speak so rarely. I end up thinking it too much to I butcher pronunciation of words and then throw in Finnish accent as extra. I can make myself roll with it, but I'm painfully aware about how my spoken English must sound to native speaker.

I'm 28 and started my first English class when I was 8.
 
We need to accept our latin accents brother, thats the only way we can get better. (Believe me, you can tell Im peruvian by the way I pronounce certain letters).
 
I instantly become dumb when a beautiful woman says hi to me.

Beautiful woman: hi
Me: semen

I'm a lecturer :(
 
Same thing happened to me Paisano, when i started working as a service desk agent like 6 years ago.

It gets better, you just need to practice, having a friend who also speaks the lenguaje helps a lot ,if you do, try speak with this person in English when you can.

You can also find a lot of youtube videos that will help you with the pronunciation and teach you how to hide your accent.

Best of lucks.
 
You are making more of an effort to learn english then most native speakers will make to learn any other languages

also mexican accents are badass, embrace it breh

We need to accept our latin accents brother, thats the only way we can get better. (Believe me, you can tell Im peruvian by the way I pronounce certain letters).
It's why I wrote "marvelous" ;P

Seriously though, I tried really hard to find a "neutral" English accent and got called Niko Bellic by some dude while I was playing Gears 3. Stopped trying that right there. Got called Mourinho as well. :c

I read, write and listen English a lot every day, but when it's time to speak I kinda choke up because I speak so rarely. I end up thinking it too much to I butcher pronunciation of words and then throw in Finnish accent as extra. I can make myself roll with it, but I'm painfully aware about how my spoken English must sound to native speaker.
If you sound anything like The Dudesons, then it's really awesome haha. I always liked their accents a lot.
 
Same here op, same here, i can write and listen but oh boy speaking it's a pain, the spanish accent just won't go away, it must be pretty funny for native speakers.
 
I can relate.

I read, write and listen English a lot every day, but when it's time to speak I kinda choke up because I speak so rarely. I end up thinking it too much to I butcher pronunciation of words and then throw in Finnish accent as extra. I can make myself roll with it, but I'm painfully aware about how my spoken English must sound to native speaker.

I'm 28 and started my first English class when I was 8.

Well I never had any trouble understanding you when playing Destiny :)

I can relate though, speaking French to a Parisian was quite stressful the first time,
and every time.
 
I realized the exact same thing last week!

Now I'm playing PUBG with some americans, so I'm forced to speak english.
Very cool and chill people btw.

Time difference can be a bitch though. (Germany <-> US East Coast)
 
Learning to speak and understand spoken language requires something extra on top of being able to read and write. As someone who is a bit of a hobbyist polyglot and has taught herself how to read and write 7 languages, I know precisely how you feel. Unfortunately, there is no way to get better besides practicing. And as adults, we do best in situations where we simply do not have an "out" (i.e. there is no option to fall back to your native language).

In the days of the modern internet, it's tough to find speaking partners who aren't trolls or worse. I've found italki to be absolutely invaluable for this, and I'm sure there are other resources out there as well. Best would be talking to friends regularly, though.
 
I'm learning Spanish and feel the opposite. Though altogether it's a confusing language to me since everything seems to usually be the reverse compared to English.
 
if diego luna can be a hollywood star with that accent (given, he talks like that even when he is speaking spanish) we shouldnt be ashamed of our accents!


i got this same fear as well, kinda the reason i dont like the party chat on xbox and such :(
 
Sooo I just looked like a huge fool a few minutes ago. Called the producer of a show that will come to my town and I had to call him up and speak in english. Done that before, got to interview Steve Marker from Garbage once and he was really nice, but after learning how to (kinda) read and write the language, it's the speaking side of it that always terrifies me.

Back on topic, he was telling me the password to access a press-only side of his website and it took me a bit to figure it out, when he found out I wasn't really getting it, he asked me for my email and I had to spell it for him...only to find out that I was mentioning the wrong letters. Managed to get it right and again, he was really nice to me, but boy, I felt really embarassed about the whole thing.

I never got the chance to practice speaking a lot when I was growing up and now at almost fucking 29 years old I'm discovering I'm really bad at this language, which is one of the main reasons I don't like to play online games (even on GAF) because almost everyone is an American and I'm way to afraid too let my marvelous mexican accent to show up and messing up.

Anyone has a similar experience to share? I feel kinda bummed about this and will look for some courses so it won't happen again. :(

Dude, do you play Mario Kart 8 Deluxe? Come on over to the Discord channel and voice chat with us. It's true that most people are Americans, but every now and then there'll be people from other countries who are not native speakers, such as myself. A fellow GAFfer and I have a cute nickname for guys like you (who play MK8 that is): Shyguys :p.

In all seriousness though, I get it. I'm fairly fluent and I have a pretty good -though not perfect - accent given where I'm from, but I still feel awkward when I speak most of the time, especially when I'm on the phone. Phone calls in a foreign language are the worst. I get very nervous. Palms are sweaty, mom's spaghetti and all that.

If you wanna improve your accent like I did, I suggest shadowing your favorite shows, movies, podcast, whatever, i.e. repeating what people/characters say word for word, sound for sound, with the same rhythm. Basically, try imitating them.

But the most important thing is to change your mindset. The reason why most people struggle with accents, apart from not being used to pronouncing certain sounds, is because they're picturing words as words, i.e. as strings of written letters with a meaning. The problem is that when you do that, you automatically bring with it your own knowledge and interpretation of how words and letters should be said in your own language. In reality, you should listen carefully to the sounds you're hearing without worrying about spelling or meaning. Be like a child who's learning to speak for the first time: they don't understand most things they're hearing, they don't know how to write, and they have no preconceived notions of how something should be said. Because their native language is "no language", they're learning it from scratch by pure imitation of what they're hearing. This piece of advice is especially useful when you're trying to learn something like English, where so many sounds are counterintuitive relative to the way they're spelled.

I'll get a bit technical on you, but bare with me, this is for the sake of illustration. Take the word "development" for instance: if you're a Spanish speaker or a French speaker (like me), you probably think that the "o" in "lop" and the "e" in "ment" are two different vowels. And why shouldn't you? They are, indeed, different vowels and sounds in Spanish, French, and most other languages. Not always so in English. It turns out they both the "o" and the last "e" in that specific word sound the same. I don't mean "sort of" or "almost", I mean exactly the same. Don't believe me? Look up the phonetic spelling, and you'll see that they're both represented by the same phonetic letter. That's because of the way English handles stress accent. I won't go into detail here, but the point is: things are not what they seem, and you must first unlearn what you know of writtend and spoken language as a Spanish speaker if you want to learn how to speak as an English speaker. That's why when I tell you to listen without any preconceptions, and to shadow your favorite shows by straight up imitating the characters, I mean it. Don't look for meaning. Look for sounds. That's the mindset you wanna acquire if you want to make progress fast, become more confident, and feel awesome. It'll feel weird at first, because it's not natural at all, but it'll all be worth it in the end.

[EDIT] One last thing: God knows I hate the French accent, but in the end, foreign accents are not a big deal, and some native speakers love them. I'm anal about this stuff so I do my best to have a great accent, but realistically speaking, as long as your accent is not so thick that people have a hard time following what you say, you're all good.
 
As a non-native English speaker I regularly do interviews in English. Sometimes this is a bit confronting, especially when speaking to native speakers. My written English is pretty good, but pronunciation can still give me some trouble. At the same time, I notice I learn a lot from those conversations.

When talking to non-native speakers, it can be hard to understand them sometimes. Most of the time I speak with French, German, Spanish or Italian speakers. I notice that most of them can write in English pretty well, but speaking is another matter entirely. Especially Spanish and Italian speakers have trouble with the sounds they have to make to pronounce the words and making complete sentences, I guess because they don't know certain words.

I'd advise you to keep at it and get out there more, learn from the native speakers you encounter and don't be ashamed about some imperfections. You're probably still better than 90% of the non-native speakers and looking at your post, you have a good vocabulary already.
 
I just moved and have an obvious accent. I think most people can understand me just fine, but it can be quite hard over the phone. And yes I also tried sharing an email over the phone once and it didn't work very well.
 
Translating written English into spoken English is very hard for someone who didn't grow up with it, because the rules are so arbitrary. I doubt most native English speakers are aware of all of the minute details, since they are so used to them. For example, one thing I didn't even notice until I was told was that the "s" in dogs and cats are pronounced differently in English.
 
No te apures Alex todavia se puede mejorar a tu ruca edad de 29.
Lo peor es cuando piensas en lo que dices y te trabas mas. Despues de tanto practicar las cosas fluyen, entonces seria preferible que te arriesgaras a hablar en juegos en linea para que practiques el ingles. Eso me ayudo a mi, solia jugar con un gringo videojuegos y me ayudo bastante.
Si juegas juegos en la PC me puedes añadir y seriamos dos mexicanos hablando ingles lulz, tambien tengo que practicar :/.
 
Sooo I just looked like a huge fool a few minutes ago. Called the producer of a show that will come to my town and I had to call him up and speak in english. Done that before, got to interview Steve Marker from Garbage once and he was really nice, but after learning how to (kinda) read and write the language, it's the speaking side of it that always terrifies me.

Back on topic, he was telling me the password to access a press-only side of his website and it took me a bit to figure it out, when he found out I wasn't really getting it, he asked me for my email and I had to spell it for him...only to find out that I was mentioning the wrong letters. Managed to get it right and again, he was really nice to me, but boy, I felt really embarassed about the whole thing.

I never got the chance to practice speaking a lot when I was growing up and now at almost fucking 29 years old I'm discovering I'm really bad at this language, which is one of the main reasons I don't like to play online games (even on GAF) because almost everyone is an American and I'm way to afraid too let my marvelous mexican accent to show up and messing up.

Anyone has a similar experience to share? I feel kinda bummed about this and will look for some courses so it won't happen again. :(

The fact that you can write English so well already puts you ahead of a ton of folks trying to learn another language. Keep at it, man. :)
 
People tell me I speak English quite well, but I think my spoken English is way, way worse than my written English. Most of the time I'm also speaking to people who aren't native speakers, and that tends to lead to a dumbing down of the grammar. I think I'm worse at speaking than writing in general though, not just in English.
 
These videos will help you to understand what's happening in your mouth while you pronounce syllables in American English. Should be a good starting point.
https://fluent-forever.com/chapter3/

He also has a pronunciation trainer available for English. It uses Anki software, also good for learning vocabulary and grammar. The one I did for German was very helpful. Going to do Chinese and Spanish soon, as well, when I start learning them.
 
I take it you already know
Of tough and bough and cough and dough?
Others may stumble, but not you,
On hiccough, thorough, lough and through?
Well done! And now you wish, perhaps,
To learn of less familiar traps?
Beware of heard, a dreadful word
That looks like beard and sounds like bird,
And dead: it's said like bed, not bead -
For goodness sake don't call it deed!
Watch out for meat and great and threat
(They rhyme with suite and straight and debt).
A moth is not a moth in mother,
Nor both in bother, broth in brother,
And here is not a match for there
Nor dear and fear for bear and pear,
And then there's dose and rose and lose -
Just look them up - and goose and choose,
And cork and work and card and ward,
And font and front and word and sword,
And do and go and thwart and cart -
Come, come, I've hardly made a start!
A dreadful language? Man alive!
I'd mastered it when I was five!

English is fucking weird man. Don't sweat it.
 
Yeah, I disagree. I think English is easier spoken than it is written. For many people though it is easier to practice reading/writing and more convenient to have written materials for learning the language, therefore they may be better at reading/writing, but that doesn't make it easier.

Simply put, learning from books will give you a strong bias towards reading and writing.

English has many, many inconsistencies in writing though, and has the pronunciation of the vowels all messed up. (Or better yet, you need weird vowels to write down English words.)
 
Yeah, I disagree. I think English is easier spoken than it is written. For many people though it is easier to practice reading/writing and more convenient to have written materials for learning the language, therefore they may be better at reading/writing, but that doesn't make it easier.

Simply put, learning from books will give you a strong bias towards reading and writing.

English has many, many inconsistencies in writing though, and has the pronunciation of the vowels all messed up. (Or better yet, you need weird vowels to write down English words.)

English is absolutely a hard language to speak in many countries - to speak well, anyway. The only thing easy about it is that you are much more exposed to it than to other languages, what with it being the lingua franca and all.

You've got sounds like the rhotic r in American English, which doesn't exist in many languages. I can think of Mandarin Chinese and that's about it. As you said, the English stress accents screws with your perception of vowels - see my earlier post -. Not to mention it's not always easy to know when to stress and when not to. Also, there are many diphthongs.

To be sure, it's not the only hard-to-speak language out there, but let's not act like it's Japanese - by that I mean, Japanese is actually one of the easiest languages in the world, probably the easiest, when it comes to pronunciation.
 
It's a complicated language. To your writing credit though you can spell "damnit" better than most of the native-English speakers I know.
 
I never got the chance to practice speaking a lot when I was growing up and now at almost fucking 29 years old I'm discovering I'm really bad at this language, which is one of the main reasons I don't like to play online games (even on GAF) because almost everyone is an American and I'm way to afraid too let my marvelous mexican accent to show up and messing up.

If it makes you feel any better, there are tons of Americans who have theoretically been speaking English their entire lives and still have no understanding of spelling or grammar. You're up a whole language on them.

The closest I've ever come to this was an oral exam I took in high school Spanish class, where I had to invent a situation in which I lost my brother in a park, and I completely forgot the word "perder." I was scrambling for any vocabulary I could muster up to convey "my brother is not here now..." And at that moment I was like, "yep, this is what every non-native speaker goes through at some point in their life." Communicating in a language outside the one you were raised with is hard; at least you're making the effort. If anyone gives you a hard time for that, they're a small-minded imbecile who is envious of your dedication to learning new skills.
 
I'm fairly good at speaking but some specific words always trouble me. I'd say that for the most part my english sounds pretty natural, though, truth is if i were to say this very sentence i know i'd have trouble with "pretty" the first time around and have to correct my pronunciation. I don't know, i can't figure out what exactly it is that's hard for me to say, some random words just trouble me more than everything else. And i can even say unconstitutionalities perfectly too.
 
Yeah, unless you speak a language regularly, it's going to be tough. If I need to talk to some tourist, the brain needs to adjust to this strange new language 'I'm trying to speak, but when I visited the States, after a few days having to speak it, it got easier and easier...
 
I used to be very nervous about this as well. My first job had me skyping with other offices all around the world a lot, and while I know my English is generally fine, me being so nervous about it definitely made my accent slip through more.

If you want to improve, the only thing to really do is practice a lot. Just talk to yourself in English for a couple of days when you're at home, you can even repeat some phrases from tv if you're watching a movie or something (be careful you're not learning very specific accents while doing that of course, you don't want to sound like the Godfather for example). Just doing it more often will give you more confidence.

For now I wouldn't worry too much about it. It worked out in the end, the other guy wasn't an asshole about it, and most people don't freak out too much about someone having an accent or being unable to find certain words for a bit.
 
English is absolutely a hard language to speak in many countries - to speak well, anyway. The only thing easy about it is that you are much more exposed to it than to other languages, what with it being the lingua franca and all.

You've got sounds like the rhotic r in American English, which doesn't exist in many languages. I can think of Mandarin Chinese and that's about it. As you said, the English stress accents screws with your perception of vowels - see my earlier post -. Not to mention it's not always easy to know when to stress and when not to. Also, there are many diphthongs.

To be sure, it's not the only hard-to-speak language out there, but let's not act like it's Japanese - by that I mean, Japanese is actually one of the easiest languages in the world, probably the easiest, when it comes to pronunciation.

Mastering a language is not just about pronunciation, but about grammar as well. I can't comment on the difficulties people only familiar with non-European languages will have with their English pronunciations, but at least the language doesn't deal with 'silly' things like genders or verb conjugations. Learning how to spell English words when you just know how to speak it though, I wouldn't even know how to start there.
You seem knowledgeable about the subject, so honest question, how is this even done? Is it even attempted to teach kids some spelling rules or do you just have to learn how to spell each and every word in the language?
 
Don't worry too much about the accent; that will come with time and practice. I once read some sappy Facebook post that said an accent is a sign of bravery, and I think that's true.

I teach English to Taiwanese kids, and there's a lot of strange things that English does. It's a less literal language with a lot of its meaning tied to inflection, rather than the simple meaning of its words. So if you should practice anything, it should be your intonation over the whole sentence. At least you can look at a new word and get pretty close to a correct pronunciation, though. Chinese is like "Lol nope."
 
i feel you.
i have to speak english everyday for work and it's fucking draining.
also i swear a lot more in english than in my native tongue,go figure
 
I'm surprised it would be harder to speak than write since English spelling is completely nonsensical, but I suppose the amount of accents and vowel differences would mess things up a bit.
 
Mastering a language is not just about pronunciation, but about grammar as well. I can't comment on the difficulties people only familiar with non-European languages will have with their English pronunciations, but at least the language doesn't deal with 'silly' things like genders or verb conjugations. Learning how to spell English words when you just know how to speak it though, I wouldn't even know how to start there.

That's absolutely true. But the OP was talking about spelling and accent, so I was talking about that specifically.

You seem knowledgeable about the subject, so honest question, how is this even done? Is it even attempted to teach kids some spelling rules or do you just have to learn how to spell each and every word in the language?

How is what done? :p
Spelling, as in "knowing how to write a word", to me, is a mixture of teaching basic rules, and then mostly exposure and rote memorization. When it comes to English, anyway. If we were talking about German, for instance, then it would be very easy. All rules, no exceptions. But English, as you correctly pointed out, is full of exceptions, so there's not much you can do about it. But again, this thread is about spoken English rather than written English, so this is a bit besides the point. I only mentioned written English and spelling in my previous posts because of how they screw with our ability to listen to and reproduce the spoken parts of it. As you can see for yourself, the OP can write English effortlessly, grammar, spelling and all. His problem is with the speaking.

As I'm not a teacher and am fortunate enough to be French - 40% of English words come from French -, I never struggled too much with spelling. Everything that vaguely resembles its French equivalent we instinctively know how to write if we know a few basic rules of English spelling, and the rest, again, is mostly exposure. When it comes to stress accent and rhythm though? That's the kind of stuff I studied almost exclusively on my own because I liked it and because school does a shit job of explaining that to you. Mostly because the French have a bad ear for languages and we don't have enough school hours to devote enough time to it. I taught myself to listen to native speakers, and I taught myself the international phonetic alphabet. I have my trusty English dictionary on my computer and I open it everytime I have the slightest doubt about how to spell, pronounce or stress a word.

Language, in my mind, isn't some magical area of knowledge where you just need exposure to know it. It can work for some people, especially if they're in complete immersion, but at some point you gotta drill a bit, or force yourself to read in English and focus on what you're doing with an active mind if you want to know how to write. Which is what I've been doing ever since video games, then the internet became a thing in my family. Bless the internet, bless video games, and bless forums, to be honest.
 
Mastering a language is not just about pronunciation, but about grammar as well. I can't comment on the difficulties people only familiar with non-European languages will have with their English pronunciations, but at least the language doesn't deal with 'silly' things like genders or verb conjugations. Learning how to spell English words when you just know how to speak it though, I wouldn't even know how to start there.
You seem knowledgeable about the subject, so honest question, how is this even done? Is it even attempted to teach kids some spelling rules or do you just have to learn how to spell each and every word in the language?
The best way to learn to spell is to learn common English roots from Latin, Greek, French and German, that will help a lot. For English originated words though it can be tough, you do have to learn to spell a lot of them on their own.

And, there are old rules that define spelling that aren't widely known, commonly taught, or covered in depth. Like rules about how short a word can be. Words that are more important have to be three letters or more, that's why to can be spelled to, but too has two O's. But, then with too and two, they sound the same but are too common to be spelled the same way, so two keeps the three letter rule, but has a random W thrown in.

When I learned to spell ax it was spelled ax, one day I had a teacher tell me I was wrong, that it's spelled axe, which I protested because that would be pronounced ayks. That spelling comes from the rule that words more important than articles must have three letters or more, even though it confuses the pronunciation of the word, which can be spelled with just two letters.

Don't worry too much about the accent; that will come with time and practice. I once read some sappy Facebook post that said an accent is a sign of bravery, and I think that's true.

I teach English to Taiwanese kids, and there's a lot of strange things that English does. It's a less literal language with a lot of its meaning tied to inflection, rather than the simple meaning of its words. So if you should practice anything, it should be your intonation over the whole sentence. At least you can look at a new word and get pretty close to a correct pronunciation, though. Chinese is like "Lol nope."

Pitch and inflection is a crazy beast in English, because it doesn't define meaning but defines use. But, pitch also is affected by mood, the important part of a sentence, the stressed part of a word, which word you start with, and is altered by iambic pentameter. It becomes easy to listen for relatively quickly, but using it right while speaking probably takes a decade or more.
 
Pitch and inflection is a crazy beast in English, because it doesn't define meaning but defines use. But, pitch also is affected by mood, the important part of a sentence, the stressed part of a word, which word you start with, and is altered by iambic pentameter. It becomes easy to listen for relatively quickly, but using it right while speaking probably takes a decade or more.

Pitch is yet another kettle of fish, but it's so closely tied to emotion no matter the language, and emotion is expressed so differently from one language to another, that I feel this is one of the few areas where, to me, it's pretty much down to exposure whether you get it or not. Some languages like Japanese make it an integral part of the accent, but as far as I know they are far and few between, and it's kind of a different concept than "pitch" as you mean it in your post. I don't think pitch is necessarily that much more complicated in English than in other languages.
 
I think it's terrible that people are embarrassed or self-conscious of their accents. I haven't heard a single accent I disliked. They're all fun and interesting to me, as someone with a boring Midwestern accent. Even if we have trouble understanding each other, it doesn't really bother me.

Get some more practice speaking English by voice chatting in non-cancerous communities, I guess. From your writing style alone I wouldn't be able to guess whether you were a native speaker or not. You just need practice speaking. Put yourself out there and you will be a total badass at English, I'm sure of it.
 
That's absolutely true. But the OP was talking about spelling and accent, so I was talking about that specifically.

As you can see for yourself, the OP can write English effortlessly, grammar, spelling and all. His problem is with the speaking.

The topic title says 'Speaking English is harder than writing it.", to which I responded with 'I disagree", and you in turn responded to me to disagree with my disagreement, and are as such claiming that writing English is easier than speaking it.

And sure, I believe OP that he has more difficulty with pronunciation than spelling (I believe because of exposure), but he doesn't even state his writing is effortlessly. It seems to be done very well, but as far as we know he takes great care and/or uses a spellchecker.
 
reverse for me, I grew up speaking Spanish but living in Texas and speaking mostly English I am embarrassed when I have to speak my broken Spanish.
The truest shame, tbh. I'm embarrassed by the disparity between my English and Spanish, even though Spanish was my first language. The only positive thing about it is thinking, "Well, I've heard way worse from others. So I guess I should be happy I'm not total shit."

:(

I'm always conscious of my accent in Spanish. It makes me, well... self-conscious. But I do need to talk in Spanish more since I'm Mexican and all. And I just love our language.

But, yeah, I'm not too good at it. I'm basically Elementary level.


if diego luna can be a hollywood star with that accent (given, he talks like that even when he is speaking spanish) we shouldnt be ashamed of our accents!


i got this same fear as well, kinda the reason i dont like the party chat on xbox and such :(
Diego Luna has the benefit of being really cute and being an actor in front of a camera, haha.

And, yeah, accents are awesome, except when it's your own. That's how it works, right?

I'd be happy to play stuff with you (aBarreras) and Alex if you guys are on Steam (over Discord). Maybe each speaking in the language we're trying to get better at. I feel a knot in my chest just suggesting it, though. It sucks feeling ashamed/vulnerable. We'd have to see what games we have in common!
 
The topic title says 'Speaking English is harder than writing it.", to which I responded with 'I disagree", and you in turn responded to me to disagree with my disagreement, and are as such claiming that writing English is easier than speaking it.

And sure, I believe OP that he has more difficulty with pronunciation than spelling (I believe because of exposure), but he doesn't even state his writing is effortlessly. It seems to be done very well, but as far as we know he takes great care and/or uses a spellchecker.

Ah, gotcha. Well, in that case, to me it depends on the expected level of proficiency. Speaking is usually thought of as more difficult because a) it's spontaneous, so you don't have time to think things through and check for mistakes, b) written languages is 'expressionless', so to speak, whereas spoken languages dictates how you can express your emotions (through rhythm, accent, intonation and whatnot), and forces you to use sounds and sound combinations you can't necessarily achieve easily if they don't exist in your language. That's universally true of any language, but it can be easier or harder depending on the target language and your native language.

On the flipside, written language can be perceived as harder because written language is the realm of the more sophisticated means of expression known to men, like, say, a thesis, or a book. If you're saying that written English can be/is harder than spoken English, I agree, but only in that context - it can be harder to write a complex essay than to speak in a real-life situation. However, I disagree in a general sense because "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog" will be harder to say correctly than to write correctly for most non-native speakers. Does that make sense?
 
Languages are hard, but some people excel at different parts. Some can speak well, some can pronounce things well, others can read and write amazingly. Just gotta try, you will trip up and look stupid sometimes but thats how we learn.

If your trying to learn a more native accent it maybe better to pick a speaker, actor, or people from a region to mimic a bit while learning. One of my friends is Japanese, but has an extremely thick west coast american accent, despite never going there because he picked it up from watching interviews with bands he liked as a kid.

Don't be too worried about your accent. Especially with a group like gaf. More often than not no one will judge you on it seriously. Heck most people find accents cool.
 
Gotta practice and force yourself to speak with others.

It will be more comfortable finding other ESL people to talk to.
 
Didn't expect so many replies and I certainly feel a lot better knowing other people have had similar situations or being unsure of their knowledge of another language.

That said, thank you guys. :) One of my biggest achievements was finally being able to understand spoken language in news streams, games and movies without subtitles (something really useful now with the sad Ariana Grande incident going on...). I suppose I gotta step out of my comfort zone and start talking with other people, something that makes me really anxious even in my native language, but I'll never get good if I don't practice.

About the accent thing, it's not so much that I'm embarassed from it, but I wanted to hide it because I thought it would hurt my pronunciation. Gonna stick with it then, and work from there. :)

And sure, I believe OP that he has more difficulty with pronunciation than spelling (I believe because of exposure), but he doesn't even state his writing is effortlessly. It seems to be done very well, but as far as we know he takes great care and/or uses a spellchecker.
I'm just really used to read this language. ._. I don't use a spellchecker to write in English.
 
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