Special Metal Gear Solid V: TPP stream announced for gamescom, hosted by Keighley

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R-User! said:
Yeah...

I still can't wait to see whether or not Ocelots' usual scheming shows up, and just how integral he'll be as a supporting cast member. I would imagine that he'll play a fairly large role, I hope.
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I'm sure he will. It was revealed that everything he did, he did for Big Boss. So at this point all the quadruple crossing he does will come as less of a surprise since we know where his loyalty lies.
 
Infinity Patriot said:
I'm sure he will. It was revealed that everything he did, he did for Big Boss. So at this point all the quadruple crossing he does will come as less of a surprise since we know where his loyalty lies.
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He was still with The Patriots circa 1984. He only starting scheming against them after what he saw Zero and friends do to Big Boss's body after MG2.
 
Also, I wonder if Skullface will live past this game, and if not, what and or how will he meet his maker, and WHO will end him... :smug face"
 
Check: This'll be starting at 2pm Eastern Time on Wednesday, correct? I hate time zones.

edit: nvm, found the schedule, derp
 
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Team E: Kiefer has been a robot this whole time
 
BroBuzz said:
Could be a conflict of interest in MGSV. I doubt Ocelot's fully committed to Big Boss's side at this point, but I don't think he would want The Patriots to kill him either.
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Well according to Skullface in GZ the Patriots aren't even the ones who (at least originally) wanted Big Boss dead, so that kind of helps if he is still working with them.
 
Rogue Agent said:
Well according to Skullface in GZ the Patriots aren't even the ones who (at least originally) wanted Big Boss dead, so that kind of helps if he is still working with them.
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At the end of Peace Walker Cipher wanted him and his army destroyed, but in GZ he doesn't want Big Boss harmed. Am I missing something here?
 
Infinity Patriot said:
At the end of Peace Walker Cipher wanted him and his army destroyed, but in GZ he doesn't want Big Boss harmed. Am I missing something here?
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Yeah, I found this confusing too considering the direction they were going at the end of Peace Walker.

There's some tapes that were added to GZ called "Paz's Spylog" which I think may have been an attempt to retcon/clarify that, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU8QZ8Lo98o

First of all it confirms that Zadornov was always working for the KGB and a pawn, never directly with Cipher if that wasn't already obvious. Secondly 6:54 - 7:55 seems to suggest that Paz wasn't sure if her orders to hijack ZEKE and fight Big Boss came directly from Zero as she questions who she is speaking to but then drops it.

I mean I could be taking that the wrong way and Paz's doubts are simply to highlight that Zero delivers his orders via proxy as SF mentions in another tape, but I think it's suspect they added these when they weren't in the original Peace Walker almost as if to retcon the incident. Paz met Zero for real before she was sent to Motherbase and seems to understsnd his agenda, so I think her questioning who is on the other end is probably a hint Zero never gave that order and someone was impersonating him.

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I also found the recap at the start of Ground Zeroes weird. It talks about Zero's initial orders to Paz which were simply to make contact so he could "rejoin his old comrade"... I don't know, the way the recap is phrased it almost seems to go out of it's way to avoid any mention of Zero's antagonism to Big Boss. It glosses over the fact Zero and Big Boss were supposedly bitter enemies, or that Zero was supposedly trying to force Big Boss to work with him or would destroy MSF.

It's strange but it's also maybe telling about where MGSV is going, either Zero is retconned to be less antagonistic at this point than we believed or maybe the presentation of this story/game is being filtered through the Patriots perhaps? I hope not but Kojima did say the game would include some Orwellian themes lol
 
Rogue Agent said:
Yeah, I found this confusing too considering the direction they were going at the end of Peace Walker.

There's some tapes that were added to GZ called "Paz's Spylog" which I think may have been an attempt to retcon/clarify that, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU8QZ8Lo98o

First of all it confirms that Zadornov was always working for the KGB and a pawn, never directly with Cipher if that wasn't already obvious. Secondly 6:54 - 7:55 seems to suggest that Paz wasn't sure if her orders to hijack ZEKE and fight Big Boss came directly from Zero as she questions who she is speaking to but then drops it.

I mean I could be taking that the wrong way and Paz's doubts are simply to highlight that Zero delivers his orders via proxy as SF mentions in another tape, but I think it's suspect they added these when they weren't in the original Peace Walker almost as if to retcon the incident. Paz met Zero for real before she was sent to Motherbase and seems to understsnd his agenda, so I think her questioning who is on the other end is probably a hint Zero never gave that order and someone was impersonating him.



I also found the recap at the start of Ground Zeroes weird. It talks about Zero's initial orders to Paz which were simply to make contact so he could "rejoin his old comrade"... I don't know, the way the recap is phrased it almost seems to go out of it's way to avoid any mention of Zero's antagonism to Big Boss. It glosses over the fact Zero and Big Boss were supposedly bitter enemies, or that Zero was supposedly trying to force Big Boss to work with him or would destroy MSF.

It's strange but it's also maybe telling about where MGSV is going, either Zero is retconned to be less antagonistic at this point than we believed or maybe the presentation of this story/game is being filtered through the Patriots perhaps? I hope not but Kojima did say the game would include some Orwellian themes lol
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At the end of MGS4, Big Boss explains that Zero either feared him or respected him. I don't think Zero is an enemy of Big Boss in a pure way. Big Boss was a like an icon for him. That is why he preserved him, even when Solid Snake took him down in MG and MG2.

Zero is Big Boss's enemy but not in a realistic way...something that The Boss explains to Naked Snake in MGS3.
 
Rogue Agent said:
Yeah, I found this confusing too considering the direction they were going at the end of Peace Walker.

There's some tapes that were added to GZ called "Paz's Spylog" which I think may have been an attempt to retcon/clarify that, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU8QZ8Lo98o

First of all it confirms that Zadornov was always working for the KGB and a pawn, never directly with Cipher if that wasn't already obvious. Secondly 6:54 - 7:55 seems to suggest that Paz wasn't sure if her orders to hijack ZEKE and fight Big Boss came directly from Zero as she questions who she is speaking to but then drops it.

I mean I could be taking that the wrong way and Paz's doubts are simply to highlight that Zero delivers his orders via proxy as SF mentions in another tape, but I think it's suspect they added these when they weren't in the original Peace Walker almost as if to retcon the incident. Paz met Zero for real before she was sent to Motherbase and seems to understsnd his agenda, so I think her questioning who is on the other end is probably a hint Zero never gave that order and someone was impersonating him.



I also found the recap at the start of Ground Zeroes weird. It talks about Zero's initial orders to Paz which were simply to make contact so he could "rejoin his old comrade"... I don't know, the way the recap is phrased it almost seems to go out of it's way to avoid any mention of Zero's antagonism to Big Boss. It glosses over the fact Zero and Big Boss were supposedly bitter enemies, or that Zero was supposedly trying to force Big Boss to work with him or would destroy MSF.

It's strange but it's also maybe telling about where MGSV is going, either Zero is retconned to be less antagonistic at this point than we believed or maybe the presentation of this story/game is being filtered through the Patriots perhaps? I hope not but Kojima did say the game would include some Orwellian themes lol
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Zero wants Big Boss to join him. I don't see how PW doesn't make sense in that regard, Paz is sent to try and lure MSF to join Zero, but it doesn't work out, so she steals MGZ. In GZ, Skullface and co. destroy MSF and almost kill BB and Kaz. We know BB and Kaz join Zero again to lead Foxhound, so it's likely that after dealing with Skullface they are back on good terms, at least officially. Since Skullface wants to take down Zero in a Liquid-Snake-esque manner, it's not surprising that his defeat would bring BB closer to Zero.
 
Make note that Skullfucker wants both Zero and Big Boss gone, hence almost killing him with the bomb.

This makes the shot in the trailer with both Skullface and Snake getting out of a jeep kinda weird.

Unless that Snake isn't Big Boss.
 
Ether_Snake said:
Zero wants Big Boss to join him. I don't see how PW doesn't make sense in that regard, Paz is sent to try and lure MSF to join Zero, but it doesn't work out, so she steals MGZ. In GZ, Skullface and co. destroy MSF and almost kill BB and Kaz. We know BB and Kaz join Zero again to lead Foxhound, so it's likely that after dealing with Skullface they are back on good terms, at least officially. Since Skullface wants to take down Zero in a Liquid-Snake-esque manner, it's not surprising that his defeat would bring BB closer to Zero.
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You missed the part where she tries to kill Big Boss and MSF with ZEKE. That's the odd part, considering Zero doesn't want Big Boss dead.
 
Evrae said:
Make note that Skullfucker wants both Zero and Big Boss gone, hence almost killing him with the bomb.

This makes the shot in the trailer with both Skullface and Snake getting out of a jeep kinda weird.

Unless that Snake isn't Big Boss.
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In the trailer tho he (skullface) is wearing some kind of Zoro mask. I wonder whats up with that.
 
Evrae said:
Make note that Skullfucker wants both Zero and Big Boss gone, hence almost killing him with the bomb.

This makes the shot in the trailer with both Skullface and Snake getting out of a jeep kinda weird.

Unless that Snake isn't Big Boss.
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Or that Big Boss doesn't know that Skull Face was behind Mother Base's attack and Skull Face is taking advantage of Big Boss to help him take out Zero.
 
Batzi said:
Or that Big Boss doesn't know that Skull Face was behind Mother Base's attack and Skull Face is taking advantage of Big Boss to help him take out Zero.
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That's what I'm leaning towards. No better way to take on Zero than to use Big Boss and then point the gun at him when he least expects it. 2 birds 1 stone.

Problem is that the XOF soldiers at the end of the trailer wear the same uniform. There's no way the surviving members of MSF, especially Miller, forgot what they looked like (unless Boss is doing so without their knowledge). I wouldn't think Big Boss would forget too easily either, especially since it's probably one of the last things he remembers.
 
Infinity Patriot said:
Problem is that the XOF soldiers at the end of the trailer wear the same uniform. There's no way the surviving members of MSF, especially Miller, forgot what they looked like (unless Boss is doing so without their knowledge). I wouldn't think Big Boss would forget too easily either, especially since it's probably one of the last things he remembers.
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Maybe this is that memory loss issue Kojima discussed.
Although that would be really stupid for at the last hour or so of the game Big Boss to realize this
before Solid Snake comes in
 
Infinity Patriot said:
You missed the part where she tries to kill Big Boss and MSF with ZEKE. That's the odd part, considering Zero doesn't want Big Boss dead.
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Yeah, this. It would make sense because Paz's offer is even for MSF to become Cipher's army/deterrent which sounds familiar (Kaz/Snake in FOXHOUND)... but she quickly rescinds the offer and instead tries to destroy MSF and fight Big Boss. The difference between PW and GZ is that GZ paints Zero as less of a hostile antagonist who isn't willing go as far as kill Big Boss if he can't get what he wants, whereas PW seemed to suggest different.

If you listen to the tape I linked, you'll see Paz talks about the offer where she is like "Hijack Zeke? Yes, I did indicate that to be our leverage. But I cannot imagine them agreeing to that now." So she knew he was going to decline the offer, then whoever is on the other end must tell her about fighting Big Boss and destroying MSF because she immediately questions them by saying "But... did you not raise them to safeguard your "governance without borders...?" So she knew they'd decline, and she's confused why she's being asked to attack MSF anyway. In the following coversation she hesitates by saying "Forgive me for asking, but this is you I am speaking to... isn't it... Cipher?" So yeah, as of Ground Zeroes I'm not sure the order to harm Big Boss and MSF came from Zero.
 
Rogue Agent said:
Yeah, this. It would make sense because Paz's offer is even for MSF to become Cipher's army/deterrent which sounds familiar (Kaz/Snake in FOXHOUND)... but she quickly rescinds the offer and instead tries to destroy MSF and fight Big Boss. The difference between PW and GZ is that GZ paints Zero as less of a hostile antagonist who isn't willing go as far as kill Big Boss if he can't get what he wants, whereas PW seemed to suggest different.

If you listen to the tape I linked, you'll see Paz talks about the offer where she is like "Hijack Zeke? Yes, I did indicate that to be our leverage. But I cannot imagine them agreeing to that now." So she knew he was going to decline the offer, then whoever is on the other end must tell her about fighting Big Boss and destroying MSF because she immediately questions them by saying "But... did you not raise them to safeguard your "governance without borders...?" So she knew they'd decline, and she's confused why she's being asked to attack MSF anyway. In the following coversation she hesitates by saying "Forgive me for asking, but this is you I am speaking to... isn't it... Cipher?" So yeah, as of Ground Zeroes I'm not sure the order to harm Big Boss and MSF came from Zero.
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I'm thinking it may be revealed that Skull Face was the one on the other end of the line.

Nvzman said:
Maybe this is that memory loss issue Kojima discussed.
Although that would be really stupid for at the last hour or so of the game Big Boss to realize this
before Solid Snake comes in
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Yeah, if anything that should be the one thing he actually remembers.
 
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