Gyro controls are undeniably more precise and faster. You didn't get used to them, and that's OK, but gyro controls and IR pointing are objectively much better than using analog sticks, even if some can't get used to them. It takes time to learn of course.
Splatoon Global Testfire Demo Schedule and Info Thread (https://youtu.be/l4UFQWKjy_I)
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Gyro controls are undeniably more precise and faster. You didn't get used to them, and that's OK, but gyro controls and IR pointing are objectively much better than using analog sticks, even if some can't get used to them. It takes time to learn of course.
Yep. They sound really sticky when rolling around.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have asked for a faster horse": Henry Ford (well, allegedly, at least).
Don't fear change. It's not always successful, and that's fine, but if we keep denouncing anything a bit different solely due to prejudice, this industry is going to stagna... uh... keep stagnating even more.
Which is a completely different and much slower paced game. As I recall you only used it when standing in a fixed position, where as Splatoon has you jumping and diving all over the place.
I get that. But if the stick is controlling both axes then I can't see the gyro being manageable without turning the sensitivity down so low it barely does anything. You might as well just have aim assist at that point.
I don't actually know how well it would work, we'd have to actually use it to know for sure.
Judge your ink level by how much white is showing. The white doesn't blend in like your ink color can. Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember that being the case.
What do you mean? Jumping is extremely useful in combat and traversal. I think they made it this "weak" to keep it balanced.
The map is essential for setting up contains on the warehouse level. You can shoot ink up the two flanks and hold the middle. If they try and flank you can see your ink disappearing and move over there. The map is very useful when used correctly.
Lights and Waves
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I wish I could have had a chance to play the demo but I was out with friends all day 
this is true but I'd still prefer it and think it would work better than it's currently set up
Hibiki Kurosawa
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I love how quick matches are. 3 minutes is perfect. I was able to record 15 matches in the last hour long session.
PadWarrior
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Is there a link for proof of this? Because that's not what I got out of playing.
...it's on X.
Dash Kappei
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Thread moves too fast, I'm out.
See you guys on the discussion thread... and again, if controls aren't customizable besides gyro/sensitivity but also buttons (B for jump goddamnit, not X!) it's gonna really frustrate me, I know it already 'cause it's too ingrained in my brain
See you guys on the discussion thread... and again, if controls aren't customizable besides gyro/sensitivity but also buttons (B for jump goddamnit, not X!) it's gonna really frustrate me, I know it already 'cause it's too ingrained in my brain
RichardKSJ
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The gyro controls really are good I simply love them and they work really well. In the end I just prefer traditional. I can see myself variating a lot though just to keep it fresh.
So that's what it was. I was wondering what was up with those Inklings.
I'm so proud that I actually got a few of them now.
SolidSnakex
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Where does that bubble shield that they use come from? Is it a special for a certain weapon?
Dash Kappei
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That's what I meant, same thing, it's awkward as fuck.
Y for centering and B for jump. It'd be embarrassing if you couldn't swap buttons at all.
Ah I didn't get that. With that I would still prefer being able to bring up a translucent overlay, as games like Shadowrun have you multi-task equally quickly with their quick-select system.
@Red, I'm not opposed to the map. I'm opposed to it being on gamepad. As I said on the previous page the map is incredibly helpful, just it feels like I'm fighting the controller too by having to look down when 90% of games have a minimap on screen because it's quicker and more efficient. As for jumping, I understand the need for balancing, but making the momentum barely carry over is a poor method of balancing when they teach you that it should give you longer jumps.
@Mclem, that's a silly argument. Customer's have plenty of brilliant ideas - hence the use of focus groups to collect them. The difference is that a good dev realizes when ideas are beneficial and can sort through the shit ideas. Having to look away from the screen putting myself at risk is not a good idea.
it's the special for the splattershot jr.
Strictly speaking, if the feedback is good enough, there's no need for a second stress test!
RichardKSJ
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The Jr. I love waiting until a roller is right about to get me then I pop it and just devastate them. Especially when two or three of them are all coming at me together.
I think they just might have another event before launch yeah.
Or I'm hoping at least lol
If I was in marketing at Nintendo I would do one for an hour every Saturday afternoon until all the new modes are released. Call it Splatoon Saturday and advertise it on The Cartoon Network and the Disney Channels.
Junahu
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That's really the point though. I know I'm contradicting everyone else who says the map is super convenient, but there's a deliberate tension that can only exist when there's an opportunity cost associated with looking at the map.
I can't think of many popular games that ever had the choice to put the minimap on an external device, outside of the WiiU.
Special from the Splattershot Jr.
oh man those were the creators? i crushed one of them and it felt so good
The A button isn't used for anything, so I'd appreciate it if you could hold A to put a translucent overlay of the map on the screen. It'd be much better than having to glance down at the gamepad.
And they were also the NOA treehouse folks in there too
Actually, Black Flag (on PS4, at least) had a companion app for tablets that had full map integration with live play. I quite liked it, although it was annoyingly slow. Was very nice in particular for cross-referencing treasure maps with the environment.
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Not all of them are creators, I don't think. Some are just people from Nintendo.
The dude in the coat looked like sakurai at first glance
I don't think I saw any coated people, and I only saw a handful of people with the prepurchase gear. I usually stuck to lobbies for a good period of time.
Anecdotal but my friend has never been able to make the perfect score in the shooting gallery minigame in Majora's Mask, but when they bought and played the 3D version they were able to get the perfect score much quicker. They praised the precision, that they felt more in control than what analog sticks gave them.
Conor_Fool
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Crap, did I miss my chance to play the demo?
Yes. Your only hope is that they announce some new tests.
Omega Kirby
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Yeah like three times :/
And guys there are more specials right other than the bubble and mass grenade attacks etc?
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Yea.
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Dash Kappei
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I wish they'd patch nunchuck+ Wii Remote IR aiming like they did for a bunch of controlling options in Pikmin 3 post-launch but I know it ain't happening.
Still, #teamSplatIR could unite under the right hashtag and tweet the devs
Still, #teamSplatIR could unite under the right hashtag and tweet the devs
Mat-triX
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Not liking Gyro, I get.
Not liking the Gamepad, I heard that before.
Not liking the Jump button being X - the button that is closest to the analog stick and thus easiest to press - is something I REALLY can not understand. Wouldn't pressing the B button be more difficult since it's farther away?
But of course Samurai was in there. I mean he has to calculate and see how he will create moves for the inklings in Smash 5
Conor_Fool
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Haha, oh well! Glad you all got to try it out, looks like some good impressions so far.
Wow, good thing it isnt Y, it is X
You likely won't find any proof unless someone has done a study of data collected between the stats of stick users vs nonstick. However, the argument is pretty much similar to sticks vs KB/M where you'll find a ton of info (differences are tracking, calibrating, and actual physical movement), but I'm not sure about proof. Your own unique experience does not disprove anything either.
Any game on PC could ask you to have the map in a side-by-side program. Dota2 and League, two games that have the biggest audience in the world have it in-client. CoD BLOPS II and Advanced Warfare AND Ghosts (one of the biggest modern franchises) have the radar on the TV on Wii U. If you want to add tension by removing the radar - that's fine. But you still have the radar, at this point you're not adding tension - you're making it more difficult for the player to gain information about the game that is handed to you.
Also - We'll never know, but I highly doubt any of the devs put the minimap on the gamepad to build tension. They did it because it was one of the few things they thought they could put on the gamepad and Nintendo probably asked. Like I said though, I could be wrong.
edit: Even more games - Devil's Third Wii U also has radar on screen.
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