Splatoon Global Testfire Demo Schedule and Info Thread (https://youtu.be/l4UFQWKjy_I)
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Quite a lot more. Maybe I'm getting the wrong impression, but it does feel that the loadouts are the principle way Nintendo are aiming for variety over time, more so than maps. Whether it's successful or not is another matter, of course!
That's because you didn't get used to the controls. I don't know if there are any articles lying around about gyro and IR aiming in general, but analog sticks are inherently inferior for aiming. They have less precision, less sensitivity, and the sheer physical resistance to movement they provide make them harder to be accurate with than gyro and IR.
I'm not saying someone can't prefer analog stick aiming, or be better with it, just that technically, it's worse than the alternative. There's a reason why shooters on consoles have auto-aim and aim assist to some degree.
I'm assuming muscle memory's a component of his problem with it. B is jump in an awful lot of games. I had the same problem for a while, but I managed to train myself out of it with practice.
RichardKSJ
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The 4 stationary digital buttons are effectively real physical buttons. The 3 that move require you to remove your hand from controls or outstretch your thumb to catch them.They're all on the single input sure but functionally they're like big old buttons you have to stretch your hands to reach. Some players that are used to button prompts would argue that the traditional way is more convenient.
Fair enough. As always: give us options within reason, game designers!
What a terrible comparison. TF2 has no minimap because it's a completely different game. In Splatoon the map is essential to the game because you need to know ink placements and teammate positions at all times.
Dash Kappei
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Wow, you should really learn to follow a thread before posting and you re not gonna last long around here with that hostile-for no reason attitude, but even if it was like that does it matter?
It's not on B, I want it on B. If it's on Y (used for camera centering) or X it doesn't change a thing for me... except that on Y it'd actually be a bit better coming from decades of Nintendo games. X is just awkward and stupid.
Just give us the option to change buttons, in 2015 for fuck's sake.
I never had to stretch my thumb, the icons for teammates were on the top right on the touch screen next to the analog stick and face buttons
So you'll be fine with the mode that's functionally equivalent to Payload, then?
You can take solace in the fact that the wait won't be as hard as it is for the rest of us. I am craving to play more really, really badly.
I'm not sure what you're asking here? Are you trying to say the map is less important for payload or that Splatoon is more than just turf war? Cause I'm not denying either of those things, and if it's the latter then I guess I should have specified turf war.
James Scott
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The Splattershot Jr. had it. You fill up a bar on the top of the screen and you press the right stick and it activates.
yes.
Astral/H3X
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You want to move your thumb all the way from the top end of the controller, to the bottom end, just to jump, when half of the buttons aren't used for anything?
That's just like, bad control design.
yeah I've been tapping the nameplates
I actually didn't know you could tap the moving squid icon until just now haha
yeah I didn't know that haha. there's a line that connects the name to where they are on the map so I just figured out where I wanted to go and tapped the name. worked well for me. also the name plates are bigger, aren't moving, and are closer to the buttons so they were easier to hit for me.
That inkstrike special uses the gamepad. I wonder how that would be done without it.
You know you can tap the icons on the map itself, right? That's what I was doing, at least. That's why I've been banging on about the association between tap position and destination location!
PreyingShark
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Like this game a lot.
Also how 2 not accidentally post? Fucking laptop, frustrates me a lot more than any control scheme could.
Also how 2 not accidentally post? Fucking laptop, frustrates me a lot more than any control scheme could.
Yeah, I didn't actually notice the lines until the final play session myself; I just went straight to interacting directly with the minimap.
To clarify, I'm coming at this from a "traditional gamer" point of view. Anything that requires you to move your thumb beyond default position (left thumb on analog stick, right thumb on button diamond/right stick) is stretching. The spawn point button is a bit farther as well, bottom middle or bottom left.
Personally, I'm fine with the gamepad. Options for those that want traditional control should be made in this instance.
Go back a page or two and read my post.
Kai Dracon
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Personally I think a lot of the issues with the gamepad being required would be lessened if the gamepad was a bit smaller, thinner, and lighter. I agree with someone upthread who said that the looking between screens is, at the end of the day, an element that can be used purposefully as a risk tradeoff.
I'm actually fine with having a large map on the gamepad and tapping to jump to a teammate. I think it makes it easier to see what's going on at a glance. My only criticism of the gamepad itself in games like this is that the pad is slightly too big and heavy, not the fundamental concept of looking between screens.
I'm actually fine with having a large map on the gamepad and tapping to jump to a teammate. I think it makes it easier to see what's going on at a glance. My only criticism of the gamepad itself in games like this is that the pad is slightly too big and heavy, not the fundamental concept of looking between screens.
Hibiki Kurosawa
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Lol same. I'm just rewatching my gameplay to satisfy my Splatoon itch as much as possible lol
oh yeah for sure
and you're right and I never once super jumped back to the spawn area in my play time. another thing I didn't know existed until I watched a youtube of somebody who did that a couple of times haha. that one looks annoying to hit and I usually found an ideal teammate to jump to so I'm gonna try to avoid it.
M
Macapala
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Have Nintendo released any info on the number of people who participated in the Global Testfire?
HawthorneKitty
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There's a ton of detail you can get from the large map on the game pad; so useful to destroy your opponents.
SolidSnakex
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Thanks! I can't remember ever seeing them when I played (2 of the 3 sessions). Really strange since I know others were using the Splattershot Jr. and that obviously a very useful special. I wonder if it's just a case of people not knowing about specials?
Yeah I didn't do it much either. I think I was just in the "shooter" mindset. I wanted to push forward instead of backtracking.
I think the picture above isn't accurate to the demo? I don't remember a spawn button at the bottom right, there was only the one on the arena. Correct me if I'm wrong.
yeah it's not, I just googled real quick to find that
So.. gyro + sniper guys..
I was wondering why people were asking for a scope. I guess they werent using gyro. Picking up enemies with the sniper was super easy. the biggest problem for the weapon is that it cant really secure an area for itself, you need support. But you can defend pretty well.
I was wondering why people were asking for a scope. I guess they werent using gyro. Picking up enemies with the sniper was super easy. the biggest problem for the weapon is that it cant really secure an area for itself, you need support. But you can defend pretty well.
Junahu
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That's fair enough, though that kind of relies on a multiple monitor setup. If you just have the map in a separate window on the same screen, it's virtually no different than it being a mini-map.
Those are multi-platform efforts that were primarily designed for other systems, ones without proprietary external screens. Arbitrarily moving the radar to the gamepad, when the game already has it on the TV for every other version, would not benefit the game's feel.
But isn't that tension? There's a conflict between wanting to see the map, and wanting to see the action. Managing your attention between the two is tense, because focusing on one comes at the expense of the other.
I agree that they didn't set out to create tension, they just wanted to utilise the gamepad screen. But they will have then tested the crap out of that mechanic to see exactly what feeling it gives to the experience, and then shaped the game with that in mind.
Probably to some extent, I saw a lot of people not use them. Or maybe they weren't good enough to charge them.
Speaking of the bubble -there's a noticeable knockback when you're shot while shielded; is that only when you're bubbled, or does it exist when you're vulnerable too? It's quite a nice balancing effect.
PreyingShark
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Oooooooooh, *that's* how you're intended to use gyro controls...
I wasn't moving left/right the way they did, I was holding the controller flat and like, lowering the right side and raising the left side.
My impression of gyro was actually that it would've been fine if I was able to move just left/right no problem since that would've made it so my brain wasn't all confused, but I couldn't figure out a good way to do that. I'll give it another shot at launch then.
KatamariOnTheRocks
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I'm really loving this games artstyle, It reminds me of how fun it is to play colorful games like PvZ:Garden Warfare where everything is also super vivid.
Timestamp link pls.
dunno, 40:00 or so?
just a good use of jump i hadn't considered is all, nothing super special
Ditto. The title screen music is playing in my head as I type this.
Timestamped for sniper play from one of the devs. Such precise aim.
https://youtu.be/PjpcbDmDSEA?t=1h19s
https://youtu.be/PjpcbDmDSEA?t=1h19s
So.. one of the best things about the sniper is that if you see some enemy is superjumping near you, you can just charge and splatter them as they fall.
On the other hand, in one of my games I jumped to an ally that died, started shooting before landng and activated the bubble to get free kills on the 2 enemies that killed my teammate.
On the other hand, in one of my games I jumped to an ally that died, started shooting before landng and activated the bubble to get free kills on the 2 enemies that killed my teammate.
plank
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There is a variation of the Splatcharger with a scoop that zooms in on target in the full game. It was shown in the recent direct.
Dash Kappei
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Wait what? I don't need to move anything since I don't use the tip of my thumb to click B.
Finger on the Y B with the tip of the thumb you press Y with the mid-top you press B.
So with ONE movement I have at my disposal both Y for centering the camera behind the character and B for jumping.
I'd be even ok with X for camera and A for jumping if I really had to (why?).
It's Y and X that I have big problem with.
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