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[Wellington]

MSN had a pretty cool article, check it out:

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/3629648?GT1=6444

8. Juan Gonzalez, American League - 1996
This is one of those glaring examples of the MVP not going to the Most Valuable Player in the league but rather to the best player on a team that won its division. Or, more specifically, to the best player on a team that won its division who was not named Albert Belle.

The Rangers finished 4 1/2 games ahead of the Mariners and in so doing paved the way for one of the great voting injustices in MVP history. Alex Rodriguez won the batting title with a .358 mark, led the league in runs scored (141), doubles (54) and total bases (379) and had a .977 fielding percentage as a freakin' shortstop!

Belle, who had more homers and RBIs than Gonzalez, was one of eight players in the American League to post a higher OPS than Juan Gone in 1996. Belle tied with A-Rod for second in the balloting. Mark McGwire led the league in OBP, slugging percentage, OPS (obviously) and home runs, which was good enough for seventh in the MVP voting. Two-time MVP Frank Thomas, who had an OPS 79 points higher than Gonzalez's, finished eighth.

:lol @ Juan Gonzalez

They forgot to add Manny Ramirez as MVP of the World Series.

 

[Matlock]

:lol @ a kicker getting the MVP vote in 82

 

[TheDuce22]

Forget Nash, these MVP choices were worse

Is he trying to say Nash was a bad choice for MVP? This guy is a fool.

 

[Incognito]

McNabb is the most recent example.

 

[siege]

I don't know why the Nash pick get's so much shit. Sure, Shaq had a great season, but Nash is instrumental in the Suns success and lead them to the third best team turn around in history.

Also, he now holds the record for consecutive games in the playoffs with 25+ pts and 10+ assists. He's the best player in the NBA right now.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

1987 when George Bell beat Alan Trammell

 

[shantyman]

They forgot to add Manny Ramirez as MVP of the World Series.

How was that a bad choice???

 

[ocelittle]

I think because Wellington is a Yankee fan (I think), so he's a pansy.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

McNabb is the most recent example.

He never won MVP. Maybe you meant McNair? Making McNair Co-MVP after Manning posted better stats, started all 16 games, and swept McNair's Titans was like spitting and pissing on everything the award has ever stood for.

 

[Bat]

He never won MVP. Maybe you meant McNair? Making McNair Co-MVP after Manning posted better stats, started all 16 games, and swept McNair's Titans was like spitting and pissing on everything the award has ever stood for.

Oh please. Comparing stats among football quarterbacks never works, especially when one plays in a dome. Manning also had the best recieving corps in the league, while McNair was working with a bunch of scrubs.

 

[Pimpwerx]

I don't know why the Nash pick get's so much shit. Sure, Shaq had a great season, but Nash is instrumental in the Suns success and lead them to the third best team turn around in history.

Also, he now holds the record for consecutive games in the playoffs with 25+ pts and 10+ assists. He's the best player in the NBA right now.

Nash is not the best player in the league right now. As tonight's browbeating is showing, this team plays no fucking D whatsoever. And Nash is at the heart of it. An MVP should be more than a one-dimensional passer. He can't take over a game and beat a team. Shaq is the MVP. Hobbled, healthy, it don't matter. The big fella could make a case every year of his career. People say he's been out of shape, but an out of shape Shaq is 10 times more valuable than a healthy Nash. At least you have to respect Shaq every game. Look at him now. He still gets doubled or tripled by arguably the best defense in the league. You think Detroit would devote that much attention to Nash? Pfft. PEACE.

 

[TheDuce22]

The Heat were a decent team last year and they have proven in the playoffs they dont need Shaq to win. How the hell can any sane person argue hes the mvp, hes not even the most valuable player on his team. The suns fall apart whenever Nash is on the bench. Without him they would not be in the playoffs.

 

[Truelize]

Oh please. Comparing stats among football quarterbacks never works, especially when one plays in a dome. Manning also had the best recieving corps in the league, while McNair was working with a bunch of scrubs.

And was hurt for the last 8 weeks (IIRC) of the season. McNair didn't even practive for the last month. Dude was a warrior that year. That's why he got the co-mvp.

 

[Swordian]

The Heat were a decent team last year and they have proven in the playoffs they dont need Shaq to win. How the hell can any sane person argue hes the mvp, hes not even the most valuable player on his team.

There's your answer.

 

[Mr. Blonde]

Oh please. In 2003, McNair had Derrick Mason and Justin McCariens(bunch of scrubs my ass-Mason is an All-Pro WR and McCariens was good enough to get a R2 from the Jets in the offseason after McNair's MVP win) to throw the ball to, and had a good defense to take pressure off him to score too. The fact that he missed games should count against him, not for him! He lost 2 of his last 3 starts in the 2003 regular season, and missed 2 starts in December when he was in a hot race for the division title.

The fact is McNair is brittle. He gets hurt almost as much as that loser Rob Johnson did, and I hope his drunk drivin' ass has fun going 3-13 this year.

 

[Shinobi]

Is he trying to say Nash was a bad choice for MVP? This guy is a fool.

He's saying he doesn't agree with the Nash choice, but believes there are far worse MVP choices in sports history.

Also, he now holds the record for consecutive games in the playoffs with 25+ pts and 10+ assists. He's the best player in the NBA right now.

:lol I like Nash...but no. He isn't even the best player in the current series. Tim Duncan has been the best post-Jordan player in the NBA, and it'll probably be that way for the next ten years.

And BTW, the Suns made their run tonight while Nash was lying on the floor underneath a towel. :lol

1987 when George Bell beat Alan Trammell

The biggest MVP injustices I can think of include Ripken on a last place Orioles team in 1990, Pendleton beating Bonds in '91 (an absolute disgrace), Kent beating Bonds in '96 or '97 (ditto), and "Karl Malone" and "MVP" being mentioned in the same sentence.

 

[Socreges]

An MVP should be more than a one-dimensional passer.

Dumbass...

Nash may not be the best player in the NBA right now, but he's probably the smartest. And no, that isn't necessarily worth jack.

 

[Guileless]

Not technically an MVP, but the biggest sports award travesty was the 2003 Heisman. Jason "Can't Stick on an NFL Practice Squad" White over Eli? Good lord the mind boggles.

 

[DJ_Tet]

Not technically an MVP, but the biggest sports award travesty was the 2003 Heisman. Jason "Can't Stick on an NFL Practice Squad" White over Eli? Good lord the mind boggles.

What does the Heisman have to do with the NFL? Oh yeah, nothing.

Jason White had what, 40 TDs and 5 Ints or something? Yeah, most certainly a travesty.

Peyton was robbed much harder than lil bro. Hell Charles Woodsen wasn't even the best cornerback on his team.

 

[Guileless]

White played on a team with ridiculously more talent than most teams he faced. He had forever to throw the ball and his receivers routinely had 5 yards of separation from coverage. He also had a superior defense that gave him good field position most of the time. Any competent QB would have put up eye-popping numbers in that offense.

Late in the season, he faced two good teams that actually pressured him and he wilted like an ice cream sandwich in a parking lot in July. He had good stats, but he was not the best player in college football.

I agree that Peyton got robbed too, more than Eli even. The national sportswriting establishment did not want to give the award to SEC QBs twice in a row.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Dumbass...

Nash may not be the best player in the NBA right now, but he's probably the smartest. And no, that isn't necessarily worth jack.

Let be rebut. Shaq > Nash. Nash is gonna enjoy polishing his trophy while Shaq and Duncan fight it out for the real prize. Smartest my ass. PEACE.

P.S. He's got great court vision, but AI and Kidd must feel totally robbed if that's what wins you an MVP.

 

[Blackace]

Nash isn't even the best player on his team (he has been in the playoff though)

 

[Shinobi]

Let be rebut. Shaq > Nash. Nash is gonna enjoy polishing his trophy while Shaq and Duncan fight it out for the real prize. Smartest my ass. PEACE.

:lol

 

[DMczaf]

3. Magic Johnson, NBA - 1990

This was the last and least deserved of Magic's three MVPs and should definitely have gone to the Greatest Basketball Player of All Time.

Michael Jordan led the league in scoring (33.6) and steals (2.77) while shooting 52.6 percent from the floor, being named to the All-Defensive First Team and leading a very young Bulls team to 55 wins and the precipice of a dynasty.

Magic, meanwhile, was arguably not even the best point guard in the NBA in the 1989-90 season. John Stockton trounced him for the assist title (14.5 to 11.5), averaged almost a steal per game more than Magic (2.65 to 1.67), had fewer turnovers per game and shot a better percentage from the floor (51.4 to 48.0).

Jordan should also have won MVP in 1989 when he scored 32.5 points per game (on 53.8 percent shooting), grabbed 8.0 rebounds per game, dished out 8.0 assists per game and was named first team all-defense. He was snubbed in favor of Magic, who did have an outstanding season (22.5 ppg, 7.9 rpg and 12.8 apg), but was not the dominant player at both ends that Jordan was.

Jordan should have the record for most MVPs if it wasnt for Magic and Malone lovers!

 

[Socreges]

Let be rebut. Shaq > Nash. Nash is gonna enjoy polishing his trophy while Shaq and Duncan fight it out for the real prize. Smartest my ass. PEACE.

I thought you were going to rebut!? You went from "rebut" to "Shaq > Nash" to "championship > MVP (no question)" to intelligence. Such.. compelling evidence! Unless you're satisfied with laughs from Shinobi (hard to come by, I'm sure!), you'd best just stick to your laughable diatribes.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

I thought you were going to rebut!? You went from "rebut" to "Shaq > Nash" to "championship > MVP (no question)" to intelligence. Such.. compelling evidence! Unless you're satisfied with laughs from Shinobi (hard to come by, I'm sure!), you'd best just stick to your laughable diatribes.

his argument was that SHaq was the best a few years ago and needs token mvp.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Let be rebut. Shaq > Nash. Nash is gonna enjoy polishing his trophy while Shaq and Duncan fight it out for the real prize. Smartest my ass. PEACE.

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Duncan isn't gonna have time to fight it out with Shaq for the 'real prize'. He's gonna be busy playing the Pistons in the Finals.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

How can you not give an MVP to someone who got 32-8-8 in a season. That shit is videogame on rookie setting shit

 

[Socreges]

Forgot

P.S. He's got great court vision, but AI and Kidd must feel totally robbed if that's what wins you an MVP.

"Court vision" doesn't win you MVP. I believe being the Most Valuable Player wins you MVP. You need to understand that no one is saying Nash was the best individual player in the NBA. That's not what the award is. It's the fact that he fits into the team in such a way, and changes the game and their performance around him, not to mention his own contributions, that he is valuable. This is reflected in the huge turn-around in the overall record, their wins/losses when he's not playing, and the perceptible difference in the Suns' play when he isn't on the court. Shaq has a similar effect, but not as great. And that's in dispute, which is why he nearly won.

The worst thing about this is that you're beginning to make me hate Shaq and the Heat. But he and Wade are two of my favourite players. So if you could just quit bitching for the rest of the series? Then, when the Heat are beaten in six games by the Pistons, you can use the following few days to say whatever you'd like, and then quietly fade away.

 

[BatiGOOOOOOL]

Nash is not the best player in the league right now. As tonight's browbeating is showing, this team plays no fucking D whatsoever. And Nash is at the heart of it. An MVP should be more than a one-dimensional passer. He can't take over a game and beat a team. Shaq is the MVP. Hobbled, healthy, it don't matter. The big fella could make a case every year of his career. People say he's been out of shape, but an out of shape Shaq is 10 times more valuable than a healthy Nash. At least you have to respect Shaq every game. Look at him now. He still gets doubled or tripled by arguably the best defense in the league. You think Detroit would devote that much attention to Nash? Pfft. PEACE.

The only thing lat night's game proved is that Tim Duncan is still the best player in the league and if he didn't get injured during the final stretch of the season, the Spurs would've ended with the best record in the league and he would've won his 3rd MVP.

 

[Shinobi]

You need to understand that no one is saying Nash was the best individual player in the NBA.

He's the best player in the NBA right now.

Reading is fundamental...much like Tim Duncan.

The one thing I get sick of hearing is how Nash turned the Suns around, as if he was the only major piece they added last year. I guess Q-Rich was some CBA scrub they picked up on a ten day. If you don't think he didn't have an impact on the team's turnaround, you're dumber then a brick.

The only thing lat night's game proved is that Tim Duncan is still the best player in the league and if he didn't get injured during the final stretch of the season, the Spurs would've ended with the best record in the league and he would've won his 3rd MVP.

Yep...and like I said before, the Suns didn't make their 4th quarter run until Nash was lying on his ass covered with a towel. :lol Amare Stoudamire's probably been the Sun's best player this series, doing all he can against a player of Duncan's caliber.

 

[Socreges]

Reading is fundamental...much like Tim Duncan.

No, that's obviously not what I meant. Rather, in that, awarding him the MVP does not mean he's the best player in the NBA. I'm glad you can read, Shinobi, but understand that everything fits in a context.

The one thing I get sick of hearing is how Nash turned the Suns around, as if he was the only major piece they added last year. I guess Q-Rich was some CBA scrub they picked up on a ten day. If you don't think he didn't have an impact on the team's turnaround, you're dumber then a brick.

"As if"? Does not follow. Acknowledging Nash's significant contributions in such and such a discussion does not rob Richardson of anything.

 

[Shinobi]

Obviously you can't read in context now. I didn't say Nash winning the MVP robbed Q-Rich of his just due. Rather it's people who keep on reiterating that Nash turned the team around almost by himself, which is quite simply a crock of shit.

Hell I said Nash deserved the MVP win this year anyway, but there's about a half dozen players that could've won it and it wouldn't have bothered me.

 

[michael000]

While i don't doubt that Shaq is a truly dominant force, you can argue just as much against him winning the mvp every year as for him winning it. Here's a great article breaking down Shaq's career and factors for and against why he should or should not have won the MVP each year. Like game reviewers i tend to take sports writers opinions with a grain of salt but this guy really did his homework and can back it up with stats. It's really an interesting read.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=schoenfield/050518

 

[Socreges]

Obviously you can't read in context now. I didn't say Nash winning the MVP robbed Q-Rich of his just due. Rather it's people who keep on reiterating that Nash turned the team around almost by himself, which is quite simply a crock of shit.

But that's what I'm saying. That people are saying this and that about Nash, which doesn't "Rob Richardson of anything". I guess the difference here is that you're suggesting that people have been saying he did it by himself. But from what I've seen, whenever that's brought up, people are quick to mention the second big player acquired (Richardson).

 

[bjork]

I dunno that a guy on a last place team should ever be voted MVP, because if anything, it proves that no matter how valuable he is, the team still did poorly.

Look at 1987. Andre Dawson swatted like 47 or 49 home runs and whatnot, but Cubbies were in the cellar. Yet, he still won the MVP?

I liked Andre Dawson and all, but come on.

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

His stats deserved it a few years ago when he won, but damn it's hard to see Jason Giambi as an MVP too.

 

[kgHavok23]

Malone over Jordan in 97. But I guess that 5th title made it up for it...bitches.

 

[DJ_Tet]

White played on a team with ridiculously more talent than most teams he faced. He had forever to throw the ball and his receivers routinely had 5 yards of separation from coverage. He also had a superior defense that gave him good field position most of the time. Any competent QB would have put up eye-popping numbers in that offense.

Football is a team sport. I dont see how you can hold that against White. He was a lock going into his last two games, where he was admittedly terrible. Had he not been so dominant (or so many voters turned in their votes early), it might have cost him.

 

[Cloudy]

Nash may not be the best player in the NBA right now, but he's probably the smartest.

I dunno how you measure that but it takes some smarts to play individual and team defense and Nash doesn't do much of either. Hell, he doesn't even contest shots. I'm serious, watch for it next game...

I do think he was MVP this year though...behind Allen Iverson