mansoor1980
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STABBER dressed as ‘Yoshikage Kira’ sets fire to carriage
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mansoor1980
Gold Member
shieeeeeet
Kev Kev
Member
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Kev Kev
Member
I haven’t looked deep into it myself, but the pic looks more like the anime character at least
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Not Batman's Joker. The Manga/anime Joker.
Wildebeest
Member
I used the AI at delphi.allenai.org to try to understand the ethical dilemma at the heart of this. It came back with this moral judgement.
"Cosplaying ambiguously so people are not sure if your killing spree alter ego is from Batman or JoJo's Bizarre Adventure."
- It's a bit unclear
"Cosplaying ambiguously so people are not sure if your killing spree alter ego is from Batman or JoJo's Bizarre Adventure."
- It's a bit unclear
Tschumi
Member
i dunno, i live here, and i'm just preparing myself to lunge at and grab the wrist of his knife hand if he ever turns his back on me (or, well, whoever decides to try it when I'm in the train) hospitals can stitch cuts...
of course, if i am ever faced with the situation i'm 60% sure i'd just freak out
of course, if i am ever faced with the situation i'm 60% sure i'd just freak out
FunkMiller
Member
Dude in purple suit doth not equal Joker...
Scotty W
Banned
I’m fine. This happened near where I live and work, though not as close as the guy who did the same thing in August.
Punished Miku
Banned
One thing that always got drilled into my head in martial arts classes is just how truly deadly knives are. It's not like the movies. We would do drills where we had plastic knives covered in chalk and see how we did, and at the end we were always covered in chalk with the lesson that basically you should just run away.
Also, knife fights are perhaps one of the most brutal and savage types of fights, because it's extreme close quarters and you live through and feel multiple stabs and cuts before dying, so you're going to be seeing your attacker face to face and experiencing it. Lots of people can quickly get a half dozen stab wounds in extreme attacks.
A lot of the more realistic knife drilling martial arts educational material out there is from indonesia and Penjak Silat, where they still have a culture of realistic knife fighting (ever see the Raid 2?). A lot of it revolved around expecting severe cuts on your forearms, and just trying to survive without taking a stab to the body. It's never a case that you survive with zero wounds.
My advice would be to just run away, and as a last resort maybe wrap a jacket around one arm and keep your arm out in front away from your body while trying to retreat.
Or in a mass stabbing situation, overwhelming numbers could be reliable if multiple people swarmed an attacker at once.
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Putonahappyface
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Putonahappyface
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Punished Miku
what martial arts do you train in?
Punished Miku
Banned
I haven't done anything recently. I was in Tae Kwon Do as a kid for several years. It's obviously an incomplete sport martial art, but I learned to throw solid kicks Joe Rogan style. Trained in Wing Chun for a few years as well with a small class of about 6 people. Also, an incomplete martial art that's weak against boxing and grappling, but I mostly did it for fun since I've always been interested in it. The safe bets are boxing, grappling, kickboxing for effectiveness. But I'm probably a little better off than I would be with zero training.
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
Thats cool. I've been doing Krav Maga for a few years now. Knife and gun defence and close quarters fighting are our bread and butter. 100% agree with you on the knife sinario, regardless of training expect to get cut if you can't run and if you're trapped well you're going to have to potentially do something nasty to subdue that limb with that knife on the end of it (terrifying)!
Punished Miku
Banned
Yeah, I've heard Krav Maga is pretty awesome as well, especially in weapons training like you mentioned. That's awesome. I have only seen bits of KM, but it seems great.
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Putonahappyface
Gold Member
The club I go to is pretty nuts. I see people come and go because of how hard we're pushed. When we spar against multiple people (only for advanced) the instructors will some times turn the lights off lol.
The head instructor was in the army for twenty five maybe thirty years and served all over the world and retired a captain. He has clearly seen and done some horrible shit for queen and country no doubts about it. Most of our instructors graded in Israel so more strict and with a larger failiure Rate.
This is normal for me unfortunately lol. The fact that we need a compulsory Krav Maga Global public liability and accident insurance speaks for itself.
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Punished Miku
Banned
The club I go to is pretty nuts. I see people come and go because of how hard we're pushed. When we spar against multiple people (only for advanced) the instructors will some times turn the lights off lol.
The head instructor was in the army for twenty five maybe thirty years and served all over the world and retired a captain. He has clearly seen and done some horrible shit for queen and country no doubt. Most of our instructors graded in Israel so more strict and with a larger failiure Rate.
This is normal For me unfortunately lol. The fact that we need a Krav Maga Global public liability and accident insurance speaks for itself.
Damn dude, that is super hardcore lol. I'm a little jealous.
Scotty W
Banned
This is really not useful, as this guy (and the guy in August) were both admitted losers, too cowardly for suicide, who carried out these attacks for the purpose of getting the death penalty.
Sakura
Member
News said the dude admired Joker and what not so I doubt it was a JoJo character.
Kev Kev
Member
It looks exactly like him, that’s why people are saying this. If it’s just a crazy coincidence that’s fine, but everything down to the tie looks like he’s trying to copy that anime character, not joker.
But yeah if he said he likes the joker specifically then that must be what he’s going for.
Public stabbing would be more Joker than Kira in any case. Kira is a serial killer hell-bent on keeping his identity a secret to the point where his final ability was specifically to prevent people investigating him.
That doesn't really fit a random, public stabbing. Admiring Joker however,...
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Sakura
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I dunno the anime character is just wearing a suit jacket and dress shirt with no vest or anything. The tie also looks more like something recent incarnations of the Joker might wear, for example:
Now obviously it isn't 1 to 1, but purple and green are pretty strong colours representative of Joker.
The guy is unemployed so maybe he just couldn't afford a more accurate cosplay.
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
I'll tell you what isn't useful giving this sub-human any kind of limelight in the media as other looney tunes will possibly admire his actions and come out of the woodworks.
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Scotty W
Banned
I partially agree.
This guy was copying a guy who did the same thing here in August.
But you must deprive yourself if the emotional satisfaction of calling these guys ‘losers’ since they are committing suicide by forcing the state to execute them.
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
No I take no emotional satisfaction as you call it, in labeling them losers and ultimately cowards for there actions against innocents. You'll never alter my stance on the subject. Agree to disagree and all that jazz.
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Scotty W
Banned
No I take no emotional satisfaction as you call it, in labeling them losers and ultimately cowards for there actions against innocents. You'll never alter my stance on the subject. Agree to disagree and all that jazz.
So you have got righteous indignation about it, and you insist on calling them losers. Can you not see this cycle:
-branded as loser
-want to commit suicide
-too cowardly
-kill innocents
-executed by state
So your own reaction actually helps perpetuate this cycle.
Scotty W
Banned
Have you ever commuted in another country?
Granted, I rarely have to commute during rush hour, but at least the system isn’t full of meth addicts, and teenagers bragging about assaulting their mom, as in my home country.
Great Hair
Banned
Tschumi
Member
The best part is smelling the gutfog of three dozen salarymen, slowly venting last night's dinner in the anonymity of the carriage
Tschumi
Member
So you're saying these guys are a product of society's penchant for labelling people like them "losers"? And that we aught not to label them thusly because it perpetuates a cycle?
That's a fair take, i think it's hugely pointless in a country like Japan, where there is an insane focus on matching unrealistic standards at the risk of loserdom, but it's a reasonable stance to take.
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
Just to be crystal clear as I don't want to be misconstrued here. I'd like to think I can empathise with anyone that feels suicidal, I've been there myself to many times in fact. I don't categorise anyone that is suicidal as either a loser or a coward.
Contrary to most people's opinions from my own experience, I think it's a brave blind leap of faith because obviously once you go through with it there is no coming back! It's the act of hurting others to facilitate attention to there cause that I deem to be a cowardly act etc.
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Porcile
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I said sucky, not harrowing or traumatising.
Scotty W
Banned
It is pretty close to that. The people who do not make it here lose too badly and that definitely perpetuates a cycle. But I agree that it is too ingrained in the Japanese culture to change. It is intimately bound up with the pursuit of perfection and excellence. Once Japan loses that, they are big trouble.
I believe that these acts are not just about facilitating attention. That is something more American. The way this is done seems to have a uniquely Japanese component, which is difficult to put one’s finger on. The most important thing I think is that this is primarily a way of committing suicide. That is what the Joker said. Or consider the guy who he was imitating, the Odakyu line stabber from August.
This 36 year old was insulted by a girl in front of his friends over a decade ago. Instead of getting over it, he withdrew from society and stewed over it for the next decade. That’s a guy who takes his ‘face’ very seriously.
There is a kind of urgency to the suicide itself which has a distant connection the tradition of suicide in Japan. I am taking most of my thinking on this from Yukio Mishima’s novel The Burning of the Golden Pavilion which features a very roundabout way of committing suicide, but ties this method to Zen. In my opinion, it is the element of Zen, which runs through all Japanese culture, but which these attackers are probably totally unconscious about, which sets this version of suicide apart from the American version.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Are you taking about rush hour? That's just an issue in cities. Japanese trains are always on time, clean, safe, affordable, fast, and easy to navigate relative to most of the rest of the world's mass transit systems.
Porcile
Member
Obviously I am talking about rush hour
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Obviously, which is why I continued my sentence assuming that was the case.
It is a crowding phenomenon that is only limited to certain times of the day and only in the busiest/populous parts of the cities. In and of itself, it's not something that occurs all the time, and not in all parts of the country, which is not representative of "on any normal day commuting in Japan".
Porcile
Member
No it still sucks bro. We don't have to be defending everything about Japan even if it is better relative to other things, come on now.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
That's a real-ass-fire. If it's any consolation Japan doesn't really do the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' thing.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I don't have to, but I want to anyway because I thought your characterization of it was a little hyperbolic. I didn't deny that rush hour sucks. Rush hour does actually suck if you're packed like sardines in a can. However, while you think that one aspect makes the entire everyday experience throughout the whole country the suckiest of sucky experiences on Earth, I don't think that one thing invalidates the whole experience.
HoodWinked
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something mesmerizing seeing the dude calmly sitting there after the deed enjoying a smoke
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